Wait did froyo pick gully? Crown's best map?

The original koth_ultiduo creates a dynamic around the point vs height advantage. Baloo has no such dynamic, there is only "take the nipple, hold the nipple", where there's nothing to do but jump, counter jump and attempt airshots / shotgun deny. Creating a map with such a dynamic would be appreciated more than another baloo mge map.

Actually baloo itself would probably be improved if you had to stand near the edge to cap, so you could be spammed off it.

Apparently yes, mostly online yesterday, but since last night, all LAN now.

So are xenex down to lower bracket, or are they out?

Get mid, camp mid. Doesn't fix the problem of the winning team not wanting to push.

Edit: So basically, it may as well be a KOTH map.

After 4-ish minutes, start increasing one of the team's spawn times. Means slight advantages have more chance to turn into large advantages, and creates pressure for one of the teams to not be in that situation.

Though honestly I'm starting to wonder if this was ever a problem before Crowns/nL.

Edit: I mean, good map design, but there's a limit to how much you can do when you have a team that just doesn't want to push much.

crowns will take the first round after a wipe, then next round, it'll be a mid-2nd stalemate for 15 minutes, then again on second-last for 10 :(

Why doesn't he just get a bigger case...?

Just because all these are things we know and just because it's old news, doesn't change how bad that this is the way things are.

Not to drag this off topic, but if it was just the particles and/or weather effects, why was viaduct converted from snow to grass?

Why on earth would they not be allowed to talk to the coach between rounds/round-start freeze-time?

Just a thought but, why do we count 5cp map wins, not round wins? Is it just left over when some maps in the map pools could only really be played for map win?

Right so I have an example map in the works, not for proper gameplay testing but more a proof of concept, but half the map has is 1 unit off the grid for some reason, and so most of the walls have a gap at the top or bottom and nothing's properly or obviously misaligned.

Frustration with hammer, laziness, plus this discussion is making me think "why don't we just steadily increase one team's spawn times (lets say the team that owns mid) after 30 seconds have past since the last cap cap?"

Yeah hopefully the maps don't lets that happen. For a start, if you camp cp4, then next round, Blue gets a full 5 minutes to attack just 1 CP. The incentive for Red to re-cap CPs is to give Blue a tougher time both for the rest of the current round and the next round. Also as I said, spawn points are far back from the active CPs, like in 5cp, unlike on Gpit, making it hard to get an engie or heavy there in time to do anything.

No only cp1 would have the old symmetrical-ish mid-fight, and even then only so players have something familiar. The other CPs need not even have a "mid-fight" should the round start there, and there's no reason for the initial engagement to be even. I actually wish there were a way of granting Red a round win when the time hits 0, and then adding 5 minutes and leting teams carry on without having to respawn (which breaks up the action that doesn't really have to because nothing is being reset).

Teams have no trouble attacking in 5cp, and points would be designed (hopefully) to discourage Red from camping up, by spawning them far back from the current point which encourages mobility classes. Also points would be designed to be easier to assail, like they are in 5cp, than they generally are in A/D.

Also how many rounds would it take to go "oh, so it's just A/D, oh, but Blue keep their progress"