I forgot to post here after the new maps cup. This map has a lot of potential.

I suggest removing the area under mid point, the window above 2nd, and the dropdown at last. None of them really add anything special besides stupid plays. I also feel like you should remove the roof/building on top of the 2nd point. Opening the area up would allow more interesting team fights.

i'll probably add on to this post with more actual ideas later.

most accurate post in this thread

fixed.

also, despite the fact that i said shotgun is good, i'm not so sure if it's the "counter" to scout as somebody has already said. if a soldier is ever running shotgun and they trying bombing, they are a fair bit easier to kill, because by the time they land, they're 200-250 hp at most. the only times it counters scouts are in close quarter team fight situations or just 1v1s in general (in which case it counters every class)

the actual reasons to run shotgun are to win every 1v1 with heals (or without too lol), and to have the best ubers and uber exchanges in the game.

to continue what nursey was saying, when playing with rando or paddie, I have never noticed them taking away "my heals" more than any other gunboats soldier, for the most part. In fact, I felt like some gunboats pockets like b4nny actually took/take a significant larger amount of heals in certain situations than rando/paddie running shotgun, whether or not they got more/less heals on logs.

even though you inherently take more heals using shotgun, it's more about how you're actually playing. on top of that, if you're doing more because you're running shotgun, you aren't "taking heals away from your scouts." especially on maps like gullywash and granary, you aren't really taking heals away from scouts on that map as a result of you being on shotgun, as it's most of the time better to heal soldiers in close quarters. it's just that sometimes on open maps like process, it's easier to get 300 and jump around, making you play worse if you were on shotgun; you should usually (not always) run what makes you perform better as an individual. but i'll just mention, the only reason to ever run shotgun is if you actually have good aim and hit all of your shots, otherwise it's pointless, because you could've just reloaded a rocket.

even though this is satire, the real way to fix demo (consequently tf2) would be to remove the ability to sticky trap, but to play around with slightly increasing the sticky radius/damage. imagine a game of tf2 where you can do much more aggress plays and pushes because there are no traps.

anyone who thinks prenerf demo would make tf2 more fun honestly just doesn't understand how the game works; it's even harder to play aggressive because demo's can just do even more damage at chokes after their traps. the single counterargument that it would/did speed up the game is that the demo on the offensive side could deal a ton of damage, but on most points/chokes, the defending team has an inherent advantage of being able to hold.

I'm finding it pretty hysterical that people are saying other invite players complain.
obviously lol? is the amount and extent even remotely comparable though

https://twitter.com/4G_b4nny/status/839269012009701377
how are you so silly to not realize that every time somebody "harasses" you, it is brought upon you by your own actions? how are you acting like you're innocent every time you "harass" somebody, but when people harass you as a joke you seem to be offended (by making long condescending posts)? nobody cares if you joke around, teasing people occassionally; it's the difference between joking and just straight up being an arrogant asshole. you can personally have the opinion that 7 are being egotistical assholes as well and that it wasn't just a joke, but then it comes back to the point where it is a result of your own actions from being an arrogant asshole to people first.

my boys making it big

on maps that have fewer tight chokes where it's harder to have good soldier ubers, i definitely agree with you, but not really on gullywash or granary. doing massive damage and getting tons of frags with ubers is easier on shotgun pocket than it is on scout on that map, at least from my experience pug scrimming on pocket against IM teams on that map.

also, it's easier to do gimmicky combo flanks, forcing dumb 1v3's with your medic with 300 hp than it is with 185 hp on gully.

not sure if i'd agree with that

pretty sure it's easier to farm players that are simply worse than you on gullywash when playing shotgun pocket than it is on scout.

O_O

i didn't say a single word...but ill just say this new nixeus revel is LIT

holy shit paddie blows ROFL

Do not listen to players like saam and Getawhale, can't even make real names for themselves lol. Cookiejake is the one of the last truthful and respectable players.

good times

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