Hey folks, I've been wanting to start a discussion pertaining to weapons and how we can fix them, but after reviewing Salamancer's thread on The Weapon Balance Megathread, I decided to revive the thread anew (since both OP's are not active) in terms of why weapons are bad or unfair, and what problems arise.

We're in purgatory until Valve's matchmaking comes out to help deal with weapon balances, and some weapons still have a lot of problems I feel. I think we should discuss the problems these weapons bring, whether technical, tactical, or otherwise, rather than discuss how they should be changed (but these suggestions are fine I think, as long as the main issues pertaining to a weapon are raised).

Please refer to the weapon-making questions listed in these blog posts from Robin Walker when considering your post and the balances/suggestions you make.

http://www.teamfortress.com/post.php?id=1688
http://www.teamfortress.com/post.php?id=1670

Is the audience just that front row in this picture? LOL

A no-class-limits matchmaking would be chaotic but I doubt it'd be something they'd revolve around to buff weapons/classes or nerf them. Valve's not looking to make classes viable, they just want to know how to balance weapons.

how could you betray us like this Kevin

Thanks!

I want to learn how to make maps in the future and I've been delaying learning hammer, but is it possible to make the spawn door like a granary shutter where it rolls backwards when opened?

1,555 I think.

I was looking forward to MapleStory confirmed :[

Correct me if I'm wrong on some of these points:

• Matchmaking format was unconfirmed by valve because they don't know what direction to go, but they said 6v6 would be a good place to start; clarification, this doesn't mean the 6s format we know will be the format, just that 6 players versus 6 players is something they are considering.

• They were looking into making a potential weapon pick/ban system to be a part of their data collecting for weapons; additionally, this matchmaking system will be more for balancing weapons and providing a goal for players to aspire for.

• There wasn't much confirmation on barriers for new accounts entering the matchmaking system.

• There will be streams on the front page of the TF2 Main Menu.

• There will be changes to the default hud; I believe the term was optimizations.

There were other things involving technical aspects but it's all still in development in terms of what approach to take matchmaking, so nothing's set in stone, but there is going to be matchmaking, with the primary goal focused on collecting data for weapons in order to balance them.

There was mention that he, among other players, were coming back because of this matchmaking hyperino

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It was fine the way it was, more or less. Its firing rate was similar to airblast, which is designed to directly stop 1 at a time given the average firing rate of those projectiles. Using it aggressively took a tiny bit of effort, but it was decent defensively.

Was this a typo? Should it be "pay to win?"

If tomorrow's stream hits anywhere around 10k or more viewers I will piss myself

I still don't understand why valve thought the short circuit buff needed to be that extreme