Hey all,

After ESEA announced the end of its TF2 league, we have been pondering the best way for the NA scene to move forward, with intense discussion over the past few days. We've come to a general consensus on what we'd like to achieve, and are sharing it to keep everyone in the loop and get some general feedback to improve our concepts.

First of all, we would like to establish a global organization to unite all of the various leagues playing competitive TF2. Previous efforts to do so (in particular, the global whitelist) have been chaotic and did not really accomplish desirable results. A more structured process would help to reach agreement and consensus as to how things should move forward. The goal would be that all stakeholders (major and minor leagues, other platforms, and players, among others) would have some representation within this org to make sure everyone's views are taken into account. We haven't finalized the details yet (including its name!), but we have many proposals under consideration.

Within the purview of this org, we'd like to establish a new league in North America that runs similarly to ETF2L and ozfortress - of the community, by the community, for the community. All ESEA players would be able to migrate to this new league, which would offer distinct advantages thanks to being a community-ran league.

Behind these efforts are some of competitive TF2's best and brightest contributors, and we hope to recruit more along the way in our quest to unify and sustain the competitive TF2 scene for the years to come. We're glad that some ETF2L and ozfortress staff are providing us with their valuable insight in this endeavour and we hope to build a long and trusting relationship with their respective organizations.

This is where we begin the conversation. Please ask questions and provide feedback, it is greatly important for us to refine what we have so far to make sure it serves everyone as best as possible. Or offer your help! We'll be needing more hands to get everything running.

Thanks for your support!

- erynn, samiface, Tino_, tsc, twiikuu

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i fucking nuked it

Honestly can't agree with anything except the wall related stuff.
I clearly remember patchnotes indicating that damage would depend on how many flame particles hit a target in a tick, which is the recurring problem you meet in all of your points.
There's no way to have the source engine manage hundreds of short-lived slow particles and be consistent about it.
The last bit where you compare flailing mouse vs almost not hitting a target was even more frustrating because VALVe did take care of the issue that would appear if you flailed your mouse.
You compared extremes, aka always half-missing and dealing 6/tick or flailing and dealing ~8/tick. There's nothing broken in this scenario, you can't maximize damage by flailing but you can by tracking properly. On average, tracking will always let you deal more damage.
I don't understand why you get upset at a -6 appearing in your damage numbers when you clearly do miss the target when those appear.

The issues of flames hitting the wall and not dealing damage are shitty but I don't expect them to fix it.
The issues of flames not hitting a player that's too close have always plagued every other class and weapon (and at much worse outcomes) and they have never been fixed.

It's the flamethrower, for god's sake.

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EDIT: man, why is clipping such an unreliable garbage tool, I made it so the clip was succint and good but the start and end are completely different from what I set

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should be usable in a week

EDIT: I might make more of these and we'll probably get them on TFTV *through FFZ*. Obviously I'll come up to whoever and ask them if they're okay with it. Does that sound good?

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WAR IS LFT PREM BTW

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first LAN where froyo doesn't attend ends up being everyone's favourite LAN... just a thought

amppis was very nice as well.

done

lmao, done

Massive shoutout to an_artichoke for lending me money so my dumb NEET ass could attend
Shoutout to my fat fucks, love you all so much

Massive shoutout to Prod & Admins for running CS:GO Ladies for free so that TF2 could get their stage, this actually blew my mind. Shoutouts to their awesome showmanship.
Shoutouts to the teams for the awesome matches although fuck post-uber tomislav pootis defenses, gotta blame slin and b4nny on that one.

Shoutout to Alfie and cAPS for the super chill spectating sippin' on vanilla Coke
Shoutout to Pass Time living another day
Shoutout to Polygon for being an absolute legend
Shoutout to silentes and the rest of the Ascent boys for being hilarious and nice
Shoutout to Hamaham and Bumfreeze for the singing sesh
Shoutout to Doughy and Mak for being the most hilarious couple in TF2
Shoutout to Mia for default-winning our armwrestle match
Holy fuck, shoutout to Mal for attending, we only crossed paths for 5 minutes unfortunately
Shoutout to the yanks who flew over, god speed and sorry for your dead scene when you get home
Shoutout to the finns for being actual mad lads
cc aux francés gro bisous (j'suis vraiment désolé d'être un tard louche, Ombrack :/)
Shoutout to the huggers, you all rock, seeds is forever hug king though, sorry
Shoutout to all the people (esp condom and polygon) who gave me praise for doing stuff in the scene (and calling out the morons), I honestly dont think I'm worthy but I'll do even better

Not too loud shoutout to the people who mumble their names during introductions (srsly guys)

Shoutout to WARHURYEAH who got timed out by some KK mod like a dozen times for trying to make the chat interesting

I saw a man die 55 times in a row to the same boss, going mad as to put on the Star Wars soundtrack.
https://www.twitch.tv/videos/411664220

Thanks Crayon, I'll fix

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