CPUs will boost when needed, that is kind of the whole point. If they boosted a core when it's idle and clocked it down when is use it would be pointless.
You might not get the full single core turbo frequency because multiple cores will be active. Also depending on mobo settings TDP limit might throttle it back down closer to the base clock.

The i5s in general? That's not how it works. Better in what regard? In performance? Obviously not if we're ignoring the 8700T. In price to performance? They all suck compared to the i3s.

Especially the 8400 is pointless for TF2. It's not faster than an i3-8350K on stock clocks and it's not cheaper either.

even the non-k 8700 would outperform both the 8600k and the 8350k?

If they are not overclocked.
Which is why it makes absolutely no sense to buy an 8600K or 8350K + Z mobo + cooler (~80-100$) if you're not going to overclock it. 8700 or 8600 + B/H mobo + stock cooler would be faster and cheaper.

So either pay for overclocking and do it or don't and don't (because you can't).

Okay so I'm curious

Assuming you're running an OC'd 8700k at normal temps, what are the normal temperature ranges you'd see for it? I've been told 90c+ is dangerous/will damage your processor but I've also heard that Coffee Lake processors typically run hotter than most other processors, and it's not abnormal for them to run around 90-100c. I haven't even overclocked my 8700k and right now with a Corsair h60 it runs around ~95c when running demanding/poorly optimized games like fallout 4

It won't damage the CPU but at >90°C it'll throttle so any OC that raises the temperature above 90°C will actually cause a slowdown.

Either your fan control is horribly broken or the H60 is horribly broken or incorrectly installed. Games are a light workload compared to some more FPU intensive stuff so 95°C in games is legitimately terrible.

A friend of mine is looking for a new pc, it'll mainly be for video editing (not sure of the res of the video, probably 1080) and some light gaming, nothing more than l4d2 really (60 fps at 1080 would really be all he'd need).

He has an old hard drive, monitor, and peripherals he can reuse, everything else will have to be new though. The old pc was a shitty pre-built that I told him not to get.

His budget is £1200 for the PC, including software.

For myself, I'm considering getting a new CPU/mobo/RAM to upgrade from my 2500k, it's starting to show it's age outside of gaming and I figured six years of service is pretty good. Ideally I'd want at least 150fps in tf2 in 6v6, and something that will help with video editing/rendering as well as streaming. Overclocking would be nice, seeing as it can help with longevity.

I don't have any real budget in mind, preferably around the £500, if that's reasonable for what I need.

Software meaning windows or anything else?
When is he going to build it?

150 fps in 6v6 on what settings? Or how many fps are you getting with the 2500K and at what clockrate?
Overclocking will cost you especially on Intel so it's not worth for "longevity" if you could buy a new CPU for the price difference that gets you the same speedup by the time you actually do overclock it.

Ignore the software part actually, I'll just say he has £1200 and find cheap copies of the programs he needs. Ideally he wants to build asap, but if there's a worthwhile benefit in waiting I'm sure I can convince him.

In general my fps in tf2 is pretty good, pretty sure I'm not below refresh rate in 6v6 but I can check. I'm using the medium settings on mastercomfig atm and it's perfectly playable.

It's more outside of the game that I'm finding it maxing out, mainly watching 1080p60fps videos on youtube or highbitrate streams on twitch, to the point where I can't really do much else on the PC. I've got it clocked at 4.5ghz atm but I'm having to increase the voltage to keep it steady and it's only getting hotter as time goes on, so I figure if I upgrade before it dies I can keep it in an old rig.

Regarding overclocking, it's not a necessity but I like having the option. I'm also easy regarding AMD vs Intel. I've really fallen off keeping track of new CPUs that they have both brought out over the years and have no real idea of who is better to go with in certain situations nowadays.

I will be doing more video editing in the future too, mostly TF2 stuff but possibly other videos for youtube, which would factor into which CPU to go with.

Ok let's start with this and work our way up or down.
960 Evo SATA prices are bugged but you get the idea.
https://uk.pcpartpicker.com/list/WyYQ6s
Larger SSD/HDD?
More RAM?
More cores?
I'm pretty sure even this GPU is massive overkill for L4D2, don't you need like a 5770 to get 60 fps?

For you this is about how much of an fps increase you're looking for. If everything is fine as it is then the cheapest and best upgrade is no upgrade.

Enable hardware acceleration, if you're doing CPU decoding in the browser you're doing it wrong. If GPU decoding causes high CPU usage then you're doing it very wrong.

If you want overclocking then with your 500£ budget it's 6C/6T i5-8600K + 16GB RAM or 6C/12T i7-8700K + 8GB or any AMD 8C/16T + 16GB RAM (or more).

Hey, after some time of trying to put together a setup, I've come to this:

CPU: i5-7500 3.4GHz (I managed to get it for much cheaper on a black friday sale (3 499 CZK), if anything, I can just cancel the order)
GPU: MSI GeForce GTX 1050 Ti 4GT LP, 4GB GDDR5
Mobo: MSI B250M PRO-VDH
RAM: HyperX 8GB DDR4 2400MHz (2 x 4GB sticks, planning to upgrade to 16GB later on)
HDD: WD Blue EX 1TB
SSD: ADATA Ultimate SU800 256GB

I will mainly use it for gaming and casual daily use, also planning to get a 144Hz monitor later.
My budget is 20 000 CZK
I'm open for any suggestions and advice, its my first time building a PC.
Thanks beforehand

Everything looks great there Setsul, thank you so much. As for storage, the SSD should be fine as he has an old hard drive and a 2TB external, should be all good on the storage front.

As for the browser stuff I'll test things out and report back if if persists.

#2892
Seagate Barracuda or Toshiba P300 are faster and usually cheaper.
Maybe a better SSD.
Rest looks good.
Don't cheap out on the PSU.

#2893
It was just a suggestion. Especially the case is more or less random. Obviously if he doesn't need another HDD then he can skip that part. Maybe a 500GB SSD just because the budget allows it?

I've been thrown this build https://uk.pcpartpicker.com/list/3nWZw6
Stream tf2 with max quality etc.
Willing to spend more if it would make sense to.
Person that gave me the build suggested doing water cooling but that's a scary thing !

Fuck the 212 Evo.
Get a better cooler.
There's quite a bit between 20£ budget cooler and 400£ custom loop. Maybe consider delidding. That'd help more than watercooling.
860 Evo?
HDD see #2894
1060 is overkill just for TF2.
650W is overkill.

So I'd spend less.
Maybe Ryzen 8 core instead if you're mostly streaming.

Thanks for the reply Setsul

I found i3-8100 is cheaper but a little more powerful, should I go with that instead (considering I have to get a newer motherboard)?

If you can get a B360/H370 mobo for a reasonable price then definitely yes.
You could get it to work on 100/200 series mobos with some BIOS modding because it's literally the same chip but I'm not sure if you want to do that.

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2200G would be faster in games if you're willing to update the BIOS or get another mobo.
HDD see #2894
Get an SSD and/or faster RAM if you can afford it. (hint: you can)
https://pcpartpicker.com/list/Xqvv3b
Just an example. RAM depends on what's cheap when you buy it and mobo depends on how you want to handle the BIOS update (or rather whether you want to do it or not).

1. Yes.
2. Yes.

Hi, i’m looking to Purchase the best possible Cpu, ram and motherboard for TF2; i don’t play any other games that are that intensive, hence the build is centred TF2. Budget: £185-270
Current Pc specs:
• Intel Duo E8500
• DQ45CB Motherboard
• 1x4gb sticks of DDr2 Ram
• R9 290
• Aerocool Integrator 500w Bronze Psu

In addition to the above i also have a GTX 570 with a Direct Cu II cooler(it’s like 2.5-3 slots wide and is somehow only ~50C on Furmark Overclocked. I’m a student and don’t have much money and it will be unlikely that i will be able to make major upgrades for at least ~2 years.

If i sell my current Cpu, RAM and Motherboard + the GTX 570, combined with my current funds, i will have ~£185. If i sell the R9 290 with my current cpu, ram, mobo then i will have a budget of ~£270. The reason i am considering selling the R9 290 and keeping the GTX 570. Is due to APUs such as the 2400g.

I am completely open to purchasing parts used from places like CEX(Ryzen 1200 is £50 there with a 2 year warranty) and ebay(all my parts - other than PSU - are from there.). Novatech is another Uk company i found that also sells Motherboards dirt cheap over here - B350 boards can stoop as low as £35 sometimes with deals.(although idk about there reliabilty - the VRMS usually don’t have heatsinks so OCing could be problematic with them.

So what is my Best course of action here? Do you think a ryzen 5 2400g with a GTX 570 is decent or are there better options? I’m also considering getting a better PSU as i’ve heard Aerocool can be a but dodgy. I’ll be using Masteecomfig no matter what.

Thanks guys.

Honestly I wouldn't bother with trying to get the best CPU for TF2 for this budget. +-10% barely makes a difference compared to the huge upgrade you'll get with any somewhat recent CPU.
Also if nothing has drastically changed 2 cores/4 threads get you 95% of the performance of 4c/4t (and beyond that you gain nothing). So a Pentium G4600 or older i3s would actually be faster than the R3 1200 and should be cheaper.

Look for a used pre-built (or just the CPU, RAM and mobo) and if the CPU isn't a Kaby Lake or newer Pentium or older i3 then upgrade that for 20-30 quid and you're done.
Or just used parts in general.
Keep one of the GPUs.

I'm looking to build a new primary PC (and leave the old parts for a secondary PC) before August that I'm going to use for primarily TF2, Rocket League and streaming. The parts I have are:

GPU: HD 7850 and 980 Ti
CPU: i5 4670K
RAM: 2x4GB DDR3 and 2x2GB DDR3

No fixed budget but something around 600-700€ not including monitor/peripherals. For the primary PC I was thinking about getting a Ryzen 2600X or something like the i3-8350k and overclock it or something else in the same price range, or a faster DDR3 compatible CPU that's going to get the 2x4GB sticks and leave the 2x2BG sticks for the secondary PC.

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#2903
Do you even need a new GPU?
Used 4770K/4790K might be an option.

i3-8350K wouldn't be that much of an upgrade. I mean a bit of IPC + clockrate if you actually overclock so overall maybe 20%? Considering that that upgrade would cost 350-400€ is it really worth it?

Until August we might get some more bullshit from Intel. Maybe the "8 cores but only on Z390 because fuck you" story turns out to be true.

#2904
Clockrate.
New mobo costs more. Way more.
Updating is free but not many mobos support updating the BIOS without a working CPU so if the retailer is unable or unwilling to do it you'd have to have AMD mail you a CPU (they'll do that for free), update the BIOS yourself and then send that CPU back (a pre-paid return shipping label is included).

I've been doing a lot more production stuff in general, as well as streaming on my personal channel, and am looking at putting together a dedicated encoding/streaming rig so I can utilize h.264 encoding and use higher encoding settings overall without impacting the performance of my gaming/observing PC.

I don't mind dropping up to my max budget (1200 USD) but would like to use as little of it as I can. Would also like to upgrade to a 240hz monitor within this budget. I'm selling my 144hz to offset a bit of that cost, so fitting that into the budget would be preferred.

PCPartPicker part list: https://pcpartpicker.com/list/Fdgfvn
Price breakdown by merchant: https://pcpartpicker.com/list/Fdgfvn/by_merchant/

CPU: Intel - Core i5-6600 3.3GHz Quad-Core Processor (Purchased For $0.00)
CPU Cooler: Noctua - NH-U9B SE2 37.9 CFM CPU Cooler ($59.99 @ Amazon)
Motherboard: Asus - H110M-E/M.2 Micro ATX LGA1151 Motherboard ($34.99 @ Newegg)
Memory: G.Skill - NT Series 4GB (1 x 4GB) DDR4-2400 Memory ($44.98 @ Newegg)
Storage: ADATA - SU800 128GB M.2-2280 Solid State Drive ($40.00 @ Amazon)
Video Card: Gigabyte - GeForce GT 1030 2GB Silent Low Profile Video Card ($89.99 @ Amazon)
Case: Thermaltake - Core V21 MicroATX Mini Tower Case ($59.93 @ Amazon)
Power Supply: SeaSonic - 300W 80+ Bronze Certified ATX Power Supply ($44.99 @ Newegg Marketplace)
Monitor: BenQ - XL2540 24.5" 1920x1080 240Hz Monitor ($443.87 @ Amazon)
Other: Elgato HD60 Pro Capture Card ($200.00)
Total: $1023.73
Prices include shipping, taxes, and discounts when available
Generated by PCPartPicker 2018-05-16 09:42 EDT-0400.

Anything I could/should change? Space is a notable concern, but it seems hard to find SFF cases for micro ATX boards. If I opt to not get a new monitor, is the next setup a good option for minimal space?

Intel Skull canyon NUC ($520.00 on Newegg)
ADATA - SU800 128GB M.2-2280 Solid State Drive ($40.00 @ Amazon)
4GB SODIMM G.SKILL Ripjaws DDR4 (42.00 @ Newegg)
Razer Ripsaw or ElgatoHD60 USB 3.0 Capture Card (~$170.00 for either one depending on vendor)
Total: ~$772.00
Total with monitor: ~$1215.00

Looking for recommendations on which setup I should go with considering space/sound concerns and whether either could be improved, will be using this for both personal and professional streams, so it's important to me that I get this right.

Do you mean x264? What's stopping you from using h264 hardware encoding? Do you not have a GPU?

To be honest this build doesn't make sense at all.
Why the 3 years old CPU? Did you really get it for free? Or did you already have that but for some reason no mobo?
Why the aftermarket cooler?
Why the GPU?

If you're going to pick one of the largest µATX cases it's not going to be very small.
If you want a case that's smaller than a µATX board would be you can't use µATX. Mini ITX is smaller.
Is this about minimal space overall or minimal space on your desk? You can just ditch the capture card and stream with a stupidly high bitrate (e.g. 50k) via NVENC/VCE/QuickSync to the encoding rig and reencode there. You could put it anywhere as long as there's power and a network connection.

I'm planning on doing some upgrades to my current PC, which I mainly use for gaming, programming, and writing.

My current specs right now:

• CPU - AMD FX 6300 3.5GHz
  
• MOBO - ASUS M5A97 R2.0
  
• GPU - Sapphire Technology Radeon R9 280X
  
• Memory - Crucial Ballistix Sport DDR3 1600MHz
  
• Cooler - Cooler Master Hyper 212 EVO
  
• SSD - Samsung 850 EVO 256GB
  
• HDD - Seagate Barracuda 1TB
  
• PSU - Corsair CX600M 600W
  
• Case - NZXT S340

I have a budget of $550 USD to spend, and I'm looking to upgrade my CPU, MOBO, and GPU (and PSU in-case any of the parts require more power).

since no one has answered to you, i guess i'm gonna try to help even tho i don't have that much experience with using these parts and i mostly look at numbers and benchmarks

a 600w psu should be enough unless you want to run something like double gpus which i doubt you wanna do that

idk how important threads and cores for programming, i'm guessing they are so i'm gonna say go for a 2nd gen ryzen cpu, 2600(x) if you wanna keep your current cores and get more threads, or a 2700x if you want to get 2 more cores and way more threads compared to your 6300
you can also go for a 1st gen ryzen instead if you dont want to bother with b350 mobos' bios so it works with the 2nd gen, a 1600 should do you fine with you go for a 1st gen or a 1700 if you want the extra cores and such
(although you might want to either overclock these or buy the "X" version of both to get to the 3.5 ghz of your 6300, and from the (little) research i did you can hit 3.6ghz+ pretty comfortably with your hyper 212 evo)

you do need new ram cuz ddr3 wont work
since you didn't mention how much ram you have rn i just assumed u have 8 gigs so i just picked a reasonably priced 2x4 kit (reasonably priced for today's standards at least)

the 280x you have there seems to hold pretty well to modern games at least, a gpu upgrade its not really needed unless you want to get a 1060 3gb which you can get it for a bit more over ur budget and gives better performance than your 280x

again if someone else posts i would rather put their opinion over mine cuz they prob know more than me about this

Go for the 2600, not the X. You can OC it to about the same (.1GHZ less)

The PC will mostly be used for CS:GO, DOTA 2, and planet coaster @1080p 144hz, but it will also be used to record and edit footage from demos. Performance in game is the priority

We have HDDs and only need a ~120GB SSD for the OS and some games/software. We have a copy of windows. We also would like a case recommendation; form factor doesn't matter

The budget is $700

If it possible to build a PC that can stream @720p 60FPS while meeting the above requirements for $950 that would be nice, but if not, we'll just count out streaming

We do not want to overclock

#2908
What do you need more? CPU or GPU? Because realistically you can't afford both. Sure maybe 10% for both but you might as well overclock instead.
Any actual GPU upgrade would mean 250-300$ (570/580 or 1060) and you still need 50-100$ for the mobo, ~100$ for the RAM. Your budget is gone and you have no CPU.

#2911
For streaming:
PCPartPicker part list / Price breakdown by merchant

CPU: AMD - Ryzen 5 2600X 3.6GHz 6-Core Processor ($209.99 @ Amazon)
CPU Cooler: CRYORIG - H7 49.0 CFM CPU Cooler ($34.89 @ OutletPC)
Motherboard: Gigabyte - GA-AB350M-DS3H Micro ATX AM4 Motherboard ($64.99 @ Amazon)
Memory: G.Skill - Aegis 16GB (2 x 8GB) DDR4-3000 Memory ($154.99 @ Newegg)
Storage: Samsung - 860 Evo 250GB 2.5" Solid State Drive ($79.99 @ Amazon)
Video Card: Gigabyte - GeForce GTX 1060 6GB 6GB WINDFORCE OC 6G Video Card ($324.99 @ Amazon)
Case: Cooler Master - N200 MicroATX Mini Tower Case ($29.99 @ Newegg)
Power Supply: EVGA - B3 450W 80+ Bronze Certified Fully-Modular ATX Power Supply ($39.99 @ Newegg)
Total: $939.82
Prices include shipping, taxes, and discounts when available
Generated by PCPartPicker 2018-06-04 08:32 EDT-0400
Pick any case that you like. Dust filters, 2 fans, maybe look at reviews.