akuraktaeohs3anceGetting backpacked by a ringer in finals while you got 4 scout players paid up is embarrassing
As if it would've made any difference
idk if this is ragebait but its pretty telling how the main of this team is saying "gg all love" and the two ringers are saying "trash" and posting on a forum just to have a 3rd place medal and this to show for it
https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/721324624843112482/1316589065767878716/image.png?ex=675b989e&is=675a471e&hm=89d5bff4b050fd98f14d3070fc895eeb38469fb44adb4bb3ab24f28e92a19fb4&;
That screenshot is actually great cause I was purposely seeked out by CCP to replace their roamer starting Week 7 and we've won every game since. It's something I'm quite proud of. Also never called u guys trash I just attached the screenshot after I started getting downfragged cause it's funny but if u want me to call u trash I can.
It's also funny how notoriously bm players cry about one top scout replacing another top scout who lost Internet unexpectedly before game, get bm'ed by literally 1 singular player on our team while playing like ass during game, and then throw a fit after losing post game when they let our scouts look like the shaq kobe duo. Get a review lmao yall had a month to goat up like how do u have anything to yap about after having 0 impact and goatse-ing yourself for us
[quote=akura][quote=ktaeoh][quote=s3ance]Getting backpacked by a ringer in finals while you got 4 scout players paid up is embarrassing[/quote]
As if it would've made any difference[/quote]
idk if this is ragebait but its pretty telling how the main of this team is saying "gg all love" and the two ringers are saying "trash" and posting on a forum just to have a 3rd place medal and this to show for it
[img]https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/721324624843112482/1316589065767878716/image.png?ex=675b989e&is=675a471e&hm=89d5bff4b050fd98f14d3070fc895eeb38469fb44adb4bb3ab24f28e92a19fb4&[/img][/quote]
That screenshot is actually great cause I was purposely seeked out by CCP to replace their roamer starting Week 7 and we've won every game since. It's something I'm quite proud of. Also never called u guys trash I just attached the screenshot after I started getting downfragged cause it's funny but if u want me to call u trash I can.
It's also funny how notoriously bm players cry about one top scout replacing another top scout who lost Internet unexpectedly before game, get bm'ed by literally 1 singular player on our team while playing like ass during game, and then throw a fit after losing post game when they let our scouts look like the shaq kobe duo. Get a review lmao yall had a month to goat up like how do u have anything to yap about after having 0 impact and goatse-ing yourself for us
ktaeohnonsense
why do u type like an anime character
[quote=ktaeoh]nonsense[/quote]
why do u type like an anime character
ktaeohakuraktaeohs3anceGetting backpacked by a ringer in finals while you got 4 scout players paid up is embarrassing
As if it would've made any difference
idk if this is ragebait but its pretty telling how the main of this team is saying "gg all love" and the two ringers are saying "trash" and posting on a forum just to have a 3rd place medal and this to show for it
https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/721324624843112482/1316589065767878716/image.png?ex=675b989e&is=675a471e&hm=89d5bff4b050fd98f14d3070fc895eeb38469fb44adb4bb3ab24f28e92a19fb4&;
That screenshot is actually great cause I was purposely seeked out by CCP to replace their roamer starting Week 7 and we've won every game since. It's something I'm quite proud of. Also never called u guys trash I just attached the screenshot after I started getting downfragged cause it's funny but if u want me to call u trash I can.
It's also funny how notoriously bm players cry about one top scout replacing another top scout who lost Internet unexpectedly before game, get bm'ed by literally 1 singular player on our team while playing like ass during game, and then throw a fit after losing post game when they let our scouts look like the shaq kobe duo. Get a review lmao yall had a month to goat up like how do u have anything to yap about after having 0 impact and goatse-ing yourself for us
i said 3rd place player saying "trash", so not you, but jesus bro how does every take u have get worse and worse. i didnt say u guys were trash or won unfairly, ringing someone was kinda scummy but i didnt say/think that we only lost because of it, i do agree it was passion diff cuz we hardly scrimmed and couldve put forth more effort. but since ur dub you decided to go reddit mode and shit talk a day later just to get clowned on and disagreed with
[quote=ktaeoh][quote=akura][quote=ktaeoh][quote=s3ance]Getting backpacked by a ringer in finals while you got 4 scout players paid up is embarrassing[/quote]
As if it would've made any difference[/quote]
idk if this is ragebait but its pretty telling how the main of this team is saying "gg all love" and the two ringers are saying "trash" and posting on a forum just to have a 3rd place medal and this to show for it
[img]https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/721324624843112482/1316589065767878716/image.png?ex=675b989e&is=675a471e&hm=89d5bff4b050fd98f14d3070fc895eeb38469fb44adb4bb3ab24f28e92a19fb4&[/img][/quote]
That screenshot is actually great cause I was purposely seeked out by CCP to replace their roamer starting Week 7 and we've won every game since. It's something I'm quite proud of. Also never called u guys trash I just attached the screenshot after I started getting downfragged cause it's funny but if u want me to call u trash I can.
It's also funny how notoriously bm players cry about one top scout replacing another top scout who lost Internet unexpectedly before game, get bm'ed by literally 1 singular player on our team while playing like ass during game, and then throw a fit after losing post game when they let our scouts look like the shaq kobe duo. Get a review lmao yall had a month to goat up like how do u have anything to yap about after having 0 impact and goatse-ing yourself for us[/quote]
i said 3rd place player saying "trash", so not you, but jesus bro how does every take u have get worse and worse. i didnt say u guys were trash or won unfairly, ringing someone was kinda scummy but i didnt say/think that we only lost because of it, i do agree it was passion diff cuz we hardly scrimmed and couldve put forth more effort. but since ur dub you decided to go reddit mode and shit talk a day later just to get clowned on and disagreed with
being a sore winner is always chill and doesn't make you look like an insecure child at all
being a sore winner is always chill and doesn't make you look like an insecure child at all
HamiIMO, the current rules give way to much leeway to teams who literally are showing up to an official, scheduled match without 6 players on their roster. Why should the team who show up with a full roster ready to play have to be inconvenienced by having the enemy team literally get their choice of possible ringers who fulfill some vague criteria about being “close to the skill level” of the player they’re replacing.
I do agree that a team should not be able to ring a player for half a season when they should have just rostered them as a sub or found someone else to sub. At that point the enemy team should be completely in their rights to deny the ringer and force the other team to find a new one. I would also like to say that default ringers (like minaaj in this case) should exist since if you are playing in a div, you should be prepared to play against any player that is rostered in your division, since they should be reasonably within the level of skill you would expect to face anyway. This is especially true in games between two top div teams (its not like a bottom main team playing another bottom main team wants to ring someone from the top seed, that would be different). So when it comes to needing a default ringer once or even twice, that should be allowed since it just cuts out a lot of the hassle.
Besides, I think we are overrating how much of a difference ringers can make. Just because a player is "better" on paper doesn't necessarily mean it would just be a plug-and-play direct upgrade to the team ringing them. Player performance depends on more than just individual skill such as their chemistry with teammates. When my team had to ring a pocket soldier in the middle of playoffs a lot of the protocols we established over 9 weeks of playing were out the window which had quite the impact.
[quote=Hami]
IMO, the current rules give way to much leeway to teams who literally are showing up to an official, scheduled match without 6 players on their roster. Why should the team who show up with a full roster ready to play have to be inconvenienced by having the enemy team literally get their choice of possible ringers who fulfill some vague criteria about being “close to the skill level” of the player they’re replacing.[/quote]
I do agree that a team should not be able to ring a player for half a season when they should have just rostered them as a sub or found someone else to sub. At that point the enemy team should be completely in their rights to deny the ringer and force the other team to find a new one. I would also like to say that default ringers (like minaaj in this case) should exist since if you are playing in a div, you should be prepared to play against any player that is rostered in your division, since they should be reasonably within the level of skill you would expect to face anyway. This is especially true in games between two top div teams (its not like a bottom main team playing another bottom main team wants to ring someone from the top seed, that would be different). So when it comes to needing a default ringer once or even twice, that should be allowed since it just cuts out a lot of the hassle.
Besides, I think we are overrating how much of a difference ringers can make. Just because a player is "better" on paper doesn't necessarily mean it would just be a plug-and-play direct upgrade to the team ringing them. Player performance depends on more than just individual skill such as their chemistry with teammates. When my team had to ring a pocket soldier in the middle of playoffs a lot of the protocols we established over 9 weeks of playing were out the window which had quite the impact.
In the case of ktaeoh im pretty sure there was like a mutual agreement because all the top 3 teams were "ringing" someone in a long-term situation (ktaeoh for ccp, idare for meelo, and jj for glorious), so wasn't as big a deal.
In the end of course the team who has 6 should try and accept a reasonable ringer, but I don't draw the line at "roughly equal to the skill level" regardless. If you don't have your team for a match, you shouldn't be in position to leverage whatever ringer you want. That's what subs are for. The sportsmanlike thing for the other team is to try and find a compromise, of course, but they should be the ones who have more leverage imo
In the case of ktaeoh im pretty sure there was like a mutual agreement because all the top 3 teams were "ringing" someone in a long-term situation (ktaeoh for ccp, idare for meelo, and jj for glorious), so wasn't as big a deal.
In the end of course the team who has 6 should try and accept a reasonable ringer, but I don't draw the line at "roughly equal to the skill level" regardless. If you don't have your team for a match, you shouldn't be in position to leverage whatever ringer you want. That's what subs are for. The sportsmanlike thing for the other team is to try and find a compromise, of course, but they should be the ones who have more leverage imo
HamiI don’t think in this case it would have made a difference as ccp looked a lot better and fluff is good, but I do think this is a good time to bring up a discussion on ringer vs sub culture.
IMO, the current rules give way to much leeway to teams who literally are showing up to an official, scheduled match without 6 players on their roster. Why should the team who show up with a full roster ready to play have to be inconvenienced by having the enemy team literally get their choice of possible ringers who fulfill some vague criteria about being “close to the skill level” of the player they’re replacing.
Subs exist for a reason. You SHOULD be getting subs on your roster to sub in. Ofc, you can always claim that your subs can’t play, they’re away etc (even if it isn’t true), but in that case, the enemy team is really doing you a courtesy to allow you to play the match without a full team. Allowing that team to then pick whoever they want is a little crazy to me. In many cases (again, maybe not in grands this szn, just in general), the team needing a ringer can just pick someone better than their actual player who still qualifies as a default ringer, and now the team who are showing up without 6 are at an advantage?? How does that make sense? The team that has their full team should have MUCH more leverage about allowing players to ring.
Will it suck when you need a ringer for real, and the enemy force you to take a weaker player? Sure, but it’s really not their problem that you don’t have a useful sub and they shouldn’t be forced to just accept a good player. In a big game like this grands, just reschedule if possible, and if it isn’t possible, then again, not sure why the team who have showed up with a full roster are forced to just let the other team get the best possible option.
@ tristen
[quote=Hami]I don’t think in this case it would have made a difference as ccp looked a lot better and fluff is good, but I do think this is a good time to bring up a discussion on ringer vs sub culture.
IMO, the current rules give way to much leeway to teams who literally are showing up to an official, scheduled match without 6 players on their roster. Why should the team who show up with a full roster ready to play have to be inconvenienced by having the enemy team literally get their choice of possible ringers who fulfill some vague criteria about being “close to the skill level” of the player they’re replacing.
Subs exist for a reason. You SHOULD be getting subs on your roster to sub in. Ofc, you can always claim that your subs can’t play, they’re away etc (even if it isn’t true), but in that case, the enemy team is really doing you a courtesy to allow you to play the match without a full team. Allowing that team to then pick whoever they want is a little crazy to me. In many cases (again, maybe not in grands this szn, just in general), the team needing a ringer can just pick someone better than their actual player who still qualifies as a default ringer, and now the team who are showing up without 6 are at an advantage?? How does that make sense? The team that has their full team should have MUCH more leverage about allowing players to ring.
Will it suck when you need a ringer for real, and the enemy force you to take a weaker player? Sure, but it’s really not their problem that you don’t have a useful sub and they shouldn’t be forced to just accept a good player. In a big game like this grands, just reschedule if possible, and if it isn’t possible, then again, not sure why the team who have showed up with a full roster are forced to just let the other team get the best possible option.[/quote]
@ tristen
akuraktaeohs3anceGetting backpacked by a ringer in finals while you got 4 scout players paid up is embarrassing
As if it would've made any difference
idk if this is ragebait but its pretty telling how the main of this team is saying "gg all love" and the two ringers are saying "trash" and posting on a forum just to have a 3rd place medal and this to show for it
https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/721324624843112482/1316589065767878716/image.png?ex=675b989e&is=675a471e&hm=89d5bff4b050fd98f14d3070fc895eeb38469fb44adb4bb3ab24f28e92a19fb4&;
yeah PLEASE ignore ktaeoh AND iku bro
[quote=akura][quote=ktaeoh][quote=s3ance]Getting backpacked by a ringer in finals while you got 4 scout players paid up is embarrassing[/quote]
As if it would've made any difference[/quote]
idk if this is ragebait but its pretty telling how the main of this team is saying "gg all love" and the two ringers are saying "trash" and posting on a forum just to have a 3rd place medal and this to show for it
[img]https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/721324624843112482/1316589065767878716/image.png?ex=675b989e&is=675a471e&hm=89d5bff4b050fd98f14d3070fc895eeb38469fb44adb4bb3ab24f28e92a19fb4&[/img][/quote]
yeah PLEASE ignore ktaeoh AND iku bro
KIHBAEHamiI don’t think in this case it would have made a difference as ccp looked a lot better and fluff is good, but I do think this is a good time to bring up a discussion on ringer vs sub culture.
IMO, the current rules give way to much leeway to teams who literally are showing up to an official, scheduled match without 6 players on their roster. Why should the team who show up with a full roster ready to play have to be inconvenienced by having the enemy team literally get their choice of possible ringers who fulfill some vague criteria about being “close to the skill level” of the player they’re replacing.
Subs exist for a reason. You SHOULD be getting subs on your roster to sub in. Ofc, you can always claim that your subs can’t play, they’re away etc (even if it isn’t true), but in that case, the enemy team is really doing you a courtesy to allow you to play the match without a full team. Allowing that team to then pick whoever they want is a little crazy to me. In many cases (again, maybe not in grands this szn, just in general), the team needing a ringer can just pick someone better than their actual player who still qualifies as a default ringer, and now the team who are showing up without 6 are at an advantage?? How does that make sense? The team that has their full team should have MUCH more leverage about allowing players to ring.
Will it suck when you need a ringer for real, and the enemy force you to take a weaker player? Sure, but it’s really not their problem that you don’t have a useful sub and they shouldn’t be forced to just accept a good player. In a big game like this grands, just reschedule if possible, and if it isn’t possible, then again, not sure why the team who have showed up with a full roster are forced to just let the other team get the best possible option.
@ tristen
lmfao dis u? people really thought u were gonna win yapping all season and then dropping this? NVM LINK REMOVED
[quote=KIHBAE][quote=Hami]I don’t think in this case it would have made a difference as ccp looked a lot better and fluff is good, but I do think this is a good time to bring up a discussion on ringer vs sub culture.
IMO, the current rules give way to much leeway to teams who literally are showing up to an official, scheduled match without 6 players on their roster. Why should the team who show up with a full roster ready to play have to be inconvenienced by having the enemy team literally get their choice of possible ringers who fulfill some vague criteria about being “close to the skill level” of the player they’re replacing.
Subs exist for a reason. You SHOULD be getting subs on your roster to sub in. Ofc, you can always claim that your subs can’t play, they’re away etc (even if it isn’t true), but in that case, the enemy team is really doing you a courtesy to allow you to play the match without a full team. Allowing that team to then pick whoever they want is a little crazy to me. In many cases (again, maybe not in grands this szn, just in general), the team needing a ringer can just pick someone better than their actual player who still qualifies as a default ringer, and now the team who are showing up without 6 are at an advantage?? How does that make sense? The team that has their full team should have MUCH more leverage about allowing players to ring.
Will it suck when you need a ringer for real, and the enemy force you to take a weaker player? Sure, but it’s really not their problem that you don’t have a useful sub and they shouldn’t be forced to just accept a good player. In a big game like this grands, just reschedule if possible, and if it isn’t possible, then again, not sure why the team who have showed up with a full roster are forced to just let the other team get the best possible option.[/quote]
@ tristen[/quote]
lmfao dis u? people really thought u were gonna win yapping all season and then dropping this? NVM LINK REMOVED
ktaeohKIHBAEHamiI don’t think in this case it would have made a difference as ccp looked a lot better and fluff is good, but I do think this is a good time to bring up a discussion on ringer vs sub culture.
IMO, the current rules give way to much leeway to teams who literally are showing up to an official, scheduled match without 6 players on their roster. Why should the team who show up with a full roster ready to play have to be inconvenienced by having the enemy team literally get their choice of possible ringers who fulfill some vague criteria about being “close to the skill level” of the player they’re replacing.
Subs exist for a reason. You SHOULD be getting subs on your roster to sub in. Ofc, you can always claim that your subs can’t play, they’re away etc (even if it isn’t true), but in that case, the enemy team is really doing you a courtesy to allow you to play the match without a full team. Allowing that team to then pick whoever they want is a little crazy to me. In many cases (again, maybe not in grands this szn, just in general), the team needing a ringer can just pick someone better than their actual player who still qualifies as a default ringer, and now the team who are showing up without 6 are at an advantage?? How does that make sense? The team that has their full team should have MUCH more leverage about allowing players to ring.
Will it suck when you need a ringer for real, and the enemy force you to take a weaker player? Sure, but it’s really not their problem that you don’t have a useful sub and they shouldn’t be forced to just accept a good player. In a big game like this grands, just reschedule if possible, and if it isn’t possible, then again, not sure why the team who have showed up with a full roster are forced to just let the other team get the best possible option.
@ tristen
lmfao dis u? people really thought u were gonna win yapping all season and then dropping this?
We at CCP do not condone or agree with this mf's attitude or actions post grands. We do apologize on his behalf tho gang is beyond childish.
[quote=ktaeoh][quote=KIHBAE][quote=Hami]I don’t think in this case it would have made a difference as ccp looked a lot better and fluff is good, but I do think this is a good time to bring up a discussion on ringer vs sub culture.
IMO, the current rules give way to much leeway to teams who literally are showing up to an official, scheduled match without 6 players on their roster. Why should the team who show up with a full roster ready to play have to be inconvenienced by having the enemy team literally get their choice of possible ringers who fulfill some vague criteria about being “close to the skill level” of the player they’re replacing.
Subs exist for a reason. You SHOULD be getting subs on your roster to sub in. Ofc, you can always claim that your subs can’t play, they’re away etc (even if it isn’t true), but in that case, the enemy team is really doing you a courtesy to allow you to play the match without a full team. Allowing that team to then pick whoever they want is a little crazy to me. In many cases (again, maybe not in grands this szn, just in general), the team needing a ringer can just pick someone better than their actual player who still qualifies as a default ringer, and now the team who are showing up without 6 are at an advantage?? How does that make sense? The team that has their full team should have MUCH more leverage about allowing players to ring.
Will it suck when you need a ringer for real, and the enemy force you to take a weaker player? Sure, but it’s really not their problem that you don’t have a useful sub and they shouldn’t be forced to just accept a good player. In a big game like this grands, just reschedule if possible, and if it isn’t possible, then again, not sure why the team who have showed up with a full roster are forced to just let the other team get the best possible option.[/quote]
@ tristen[/quote]
lmfao dis u? people really thought u were gonna win yapping all season and then dropping this? [/quote]
We at CCP do not condone or agree with this mf's attitude or actions post grands. We do apologize on his behalf tho gang is beyond childish.
"somehow" we managed to play this game with only rostered players for like a decade
"somehow" we managed to play this game with only rostered players for like a decade
Okay after talking to some people I thought it was ok to shit all over the half of the team that was toxic all season in a public thread, but I went too far and I apologize for that.
I saw the opponent's TL malding in public in the rgl discord and I thought it would be okay to reciprocate that attitude, as someone said it was like being a sore winner to a sore loser. But it's not cool to fight fire with fire even if I thought it was deserved at the time, and it wasn't fair to the rest of meelo who were actually the exact opposite and super chill during the season.
I don't want things to get cringer so I removed the attachments that embarrassed meelo that I posted and I want to apologize again and say that I'll keep the bm in private next time :thumbsup: Sorry and gg to all in ur future games
Okay after talking to some people I thought it was ok to shit all over the half of the team that was toxic all season in a public thread, but I went too far and I apologize for that.
I saw the opponent's TL malding in public in the rgl discord and I thought it would be okay to reciprocate that attitude, as someone said it was like being a sore winner to a sore loser. But it's not cool to fight fire with fire even if I thought it was deserved at the time, and it wasn't fair to the rest of meelo who were actually the exact opposite and super chill during the season.
I don't want things to get cringer so I removed the attachments that embarrassed meelo that I posted and I want to apologize again and say that I'll keep the bm in private next time :thumbsup: Sorry and gg to all in ur future games
I don't think the ringer changed the outcome of the match. Minaaj is good of course but so is their main pocket scout and looking at the logs its not like minaaj was specifically doing anything crazy beyond having a good kd on pocket scout, nor were the matches really close enough to where a single solid performance from 1 player would've changed the outcome imo.
I also do think its very ironic for certain people on Meelo to be blaming the admins when those same players also rang someone for all of their playoffs games and they are known for consistently playing on teams with sandbaggers or sandbagging themselves (which I personally think is abusing the rules of the league way more egregiously than a main team ringing a person who is playing their first season of main).
However I also absolutely agree with Hami that ringing players in playoffs is something that is often incredibly excessive and I have seen many egregious instances of teams ringing better players all throughout playoffs when they barely rang people during their regular season. I know Hami's team last season in particular had to deal with a team that rang a confirmed cheater against them and they had literally no consequence for it. I think overall the rules for ringing players in playoffs probably needs to be more strict, especially when it comes to finding a player of "similar skill".
I don't think the ringer changed the outcome of the match. Minaaj is good of course but so is their main pocket scout and looking at the logs its not like minaaj was specifically doing anything crazy beyond having a good kd on pocket scout, nor were the matches really close enough to where a single solid performance from 1 player would've changed the outcome imo.
I also do think its very ironic for certain people on Meelo to be blaming the admins when those same players also rang someone for all of their playoffs games and they are known for consistently playing on teams with sandbaggers or sandbagging themselves (which I personally think is abusing the rules of the league way more egregiously than a main team ringing a person who is playing their first season of main).
However I also absolutely agree with Hami that ringing players in playoffs is something that is often incredibly excessive and I have seen many egregious instances of teams ringing better players all throughout playoffs when they barely rang people during their regular season. I know Hami's team last season in particular had to deal with a team that rang a confirmed cheater against them and they had literally no consequence for it. I think overall the rules for ringing players in playoffs probably needs to be more strict, especially when it comes to finding a player of "similar skill".
garmI know Hami's team last season in particular had to deal with a team that rang a confirmed cheater against them and they had literally no consequence for it.
damn I thought u were exaggerating with this but nah
https://i.imgur.com/1exDCX4.png
(2nd place team rang the cheater, 3rd was Hami's team)
kind of insane ngl, lesson learned i guess just ring a cheater r1 playoffs and you'll be all good! (just don't do it in later rounds or during regular season, that would be too far of course).
[quote=garm]I know Hami's team last season in particular had to deal with a team that rang a confirmed cheater against them and they had literally no consequence for it.[/quote]
damn I thought u were exaggerating with this but nah
[img]https://i.imgur.com/1exDCX4.png[/img]
(2nd place team rang the cheater, 3rd was Hami's team)
kind of insane ngl, lesson learned i guess just ring a cheater r1 playoffs and you'll be all good! (just don't do it in later rounds or during regular season, that would be too far of course).
this feels like an esea open thread. we’re so fucking back
this feels like an esea open thread. we’re so fucking back
open would be nothing without the team winning it either being sandbaggers, people who think they're really good and cool, or both
open would be nothing without the team winning it either being sandbaggers, people who think they're really good and cool, or both
i subbed for ccp for a week can i be in the thread
i subbed for ccp for a week can i be in the thread
Shoeshockeri subbed for ccp for a week can i be in the thread
thanks for tagging along on the joyride, brother. one love
[quote=Shoeshocker]i subbed for ccp for a week can i be in the thread[/quote]
thanks for tagging along on the joyride, brother. one love
aidenShoeshockeri subbed for ccp for a week can i be in the thread
thanks for tagging along on the joyride, brother. one love
i love u bro
[quote=aiden][quote=Shoeshocker]i subbed for ccp for a week can i be in the thread[/quote]
thanks for tagging along on the joyride, brother. one love[/quote]
i love u bro
maraudeRthis feels like an esea open thread. we’re so fucking back
That darn John Milter sandbagging again
[quote=maraudeR]this feels like an esea open thread. we’re so fucking back[/quote]
That darn John Milter sandbagging again
Okay after talking to some people I thought it was ok to shit all over the half of the team that was toxic all season in a public thread, but I went too far and I apologize for that.
I saw the opponent's TL malding in public in the rgl discord and I thought it would be okay to reciprocate that attitude, as someone said it was like being a sore winner to a sore loser. But it's not cool to fight fire with fire even if I thought it was deserved at the time, and it wasn't fair to the rest of meelo who were actually the exact opposite and super chill during the season.
I don't want things to get cringer so I removed the attachments that embarrassed meelo that I posted and I want to apologize again and say that I'll keep the bm in private next time :thumbsup: Sorry and gg to all in ur future games
Okay after talking to some people I thought it was ok to shit all over the half of the team that was toxic all season in a public thread, but I went too far and I apologize for that.
I saw the opponent's TL malding in public in the rgl discord and I thought it would be okay to reciprocate that attitude, as someone said it was like being a sore winner to a sore loser. But it's not cool to fight fire with fire even if I thought it was deserved at the time, and it wasn't fair to the rest of meelo who were actually the exact opposite and super chill during the season.
I don't want things to get cringer so I removed the attachments that embarrassed meelo that I posted and I want to apologize again and say that I'll keep the bm in private next time :thumbsup: Sorry and gg to all in ur future games
The only person I am disappointed in is Tristen.
To clear things up, I do not think CCP won because they had minaaj. Yes, I think minaaj is as good if not slightly better than Cyrus. That being said, would CCP have lost because they didn't have minaaj? No. They put in a lot more time than meelo did and they improved a lot over the season. They earned their 1st place.
What I am upset about is how Tristen handled the ringer situation twice this season. The first time was during bagel week. Highlander Gaming (HLG) requested to ring minaaj to replace pumpkin, HLG's scout player throughout the season up until that point. Due to the clear difference in skill level, we denied him. We presented logs and an explanation as to why we denied minaaj as per RGL rules. Not only did it take an hour past the match time to come to a decision, but he just let minaaj play because 'it doesn't matter you're gonna be in playoffs anyways'. ??? (this match is also a match that could have given us first place seed in playoffs, so it did have an impact). Is that how you make decisions as the division admin? To make things better, he's not even the one that responded. Kitteh had to deliver his message in his place and close the ticket.
The second time is this grand final. As I stated earlier, I don't think minaaj being rung for cyrus is as big as a difference compared to minaaj being rung for pumpkin. That being said, the actions that Tristen took during this ticket is what I'm upset about.
Tristen stated minaaj was not a 'default ringer' since ktaeoh was the default ringer as per RGL rules. So, we denied minaaj and presented our case about why we were denying him. Tristen seemed to understand our point of view then and asked CCP to look for another ringer that both teams could agree on. CCP acknowledged this message. Meelo stated at this time that any scout in main besides minaaj would be approved (and obviously any other scout that we both agree on). This all took place around 5:30-6:00 PM est, 4 hours before GF. CCP didn't present a ringer at all until 8:41 PM. That ringer was pinaepple. I don't think it's hard to understand why we denied him. Tristen also asked CCP at around 9:20 to present screenshots of their attempts to find a ringer on their own. CCP posted screenshots asking other players past 9 PM. Thus, there was a clear lack of effort from CCP in looking for a ringer. Meelo on the other hand was reaching out to scout players in main, one that's made playoffs as well to offer as a ringer. All were denied of course. However, to CCP's defense, Tristen also didn't state anything about minaaj actually being denied as a ringer and just told CCP to 'try to find a different ringer and let me know if you can't fine one'. He remained very vague about this entire situation despite CCP asking for decisive decision regarding minaaj. Then at around 9:50, sometime after our pregame started, Tristen just said 'there's no time so I'm just gonna let minaaj play' and then went radio silent. Despite CCP's lack of effort to cooperate regarding this ringer situation, Tristen just let minaaj play again last minute.
That's why I'm disappointed in Tristen and why I agree with what hami said earlier in the thread. I think ringers that BOTH teams agree on are fine. (ktaeoh for CCP, iDare for meelo, JJ for GLORIOUS) What I don't think is fine is when a team is allowed to ring a player when they are not cooperative at all with the other team regarding the ringer. In grand finals at that. To be honest, I don't blame CCP. They'd obviously want to ring the best player that they could. I think it's the admin's job to notice the lack of effort put in by the ringing team and mediate the situation as best he can by communicating effectively. He failed to do that twice.
Also to clear up some false information
ktaeohKIHBAEHamiI don’t think in this case it would have made a difference as ccp looked a lot better and fluff is good, but I do think this is a good time to bring up a discussion on ringer vs sub culture.
IMO, the current rules give way to much leeway to teams who literally are showing up to an official, scheduled match without 6 players on their roster. Why should the team who show up with a full roster ready to play have to be inconvenienced by having the enemy team literally get their choice of possible ringers who fulfill some vague criteria about being “close to the skill level” of the player they’re replacing.
Subs exist for a reason. You SHOULD be getting subs on your roster to sub in. Ofc, you can always claim that your subs can’t play, they’re away etc (even if it isn’t true), but in that case, the enemy team is really doing you a courtesy to allow you to play the match without a full team. Allowing that team to then pick whoever they want is a little crazy to me. In many cases (again, maybe not in grands this szn, just in general), the team needing a ringer can just pick someone better than their actual player who still qualifies as a default ringer, and now the team who are showing up without 6 are at an advantage?? How does that make sense? The team that has their full team should have MUCH more leverage about allowing players to ring.
Will it suck when you need a ringer for real, and the enemy force you to take a weaker player? Sure, but it’s really not their problem that you don’t have a useful sub and they shouldn’t be forced to just accept a good player. In a big game like this grands, just reschedule if possible, and if it isn’t possible, then again, not sure why the team who have showed up with a full roster are forced to just let the other team get the best possible option.
@ tristen
lmfao dis u? people really thought u were gonna win yapping all season and then dropping this? NVM LINK REMOVED
I want you to show me where I yapped all season saying that meelo was gonna win. Please. I have never said in any way shape or form that Main was free this season or that I thought meelo was the best in main. All I did was play the game and did my best to win.
ktaeohOkay after talking to some people I thought it was ok to shit all over the half of the team that was toxic all season in a public thread, but I went too far and I apologize for that.
I saw the opponent's TL malding in public in the rgl discord and I thought it would be okay to reciprocate that attitude, as someone said it was like being a sore winner to a sore loser. But it's not cool to fight fire with fire even if I thought it was deserved at the time, and it wasn't fair to the rest of meelo who were actually the exact opposite and super chill during the season.
I don't want things to get cringer so I removed the attachments that embarrassed meelo that I posted and I want to apologize again and say that I'll keep the bm in private next time :thumbsup: Sorry and gg to all in ur future games
You picked the player that literally refrained from bming and shit talking during scrims, matches, and in public chats to slander? To my knowledge, that screenshot was posted in a private chat, on a private server. You thought it was a great idea to post it on tftv? Seriously?
Also, I want you to show me where I malded in public in the rgl discord. I don't even type in rgl discord public chats. You keep manifesting 'evidence' to justify your shit talk.
The only person I am disappointed in is Tristen.
To clear things up, I do not think CCP won because they had minaaj. Yes, I think minaaj is as good if not slightly better than Cyrus. That being said, would CCP have lost because they didn't have minaaj? No. They put in a lot more time than meelo did and they improved a lot over the season. They earned their 1st place.
What I am upset about is how Tristen handled the ringer situation twice this season. The first time was during bagel week. Highlander Gaming (HLG) requested to ring minaaj to replace pumpkin, HLG's scout player throughout the season up until that point. Due to the clear difference in skill level, we denied him. We presented logs and an explanation as to why we denied minaaj as per RGL rules. Not only did it take an hour past the match time to come to a decision, but he just let minaaj play because 'it doesn't matter you're gonna be in playoffs anyways'. ??? (this match is also a match that could have given us first place seed in playoffs, so it did have an impact). Is that how you make decisions as the division admin? To make things better, he's not even the one that responded. Kitteh had to deliver his message in his place and close the ticket.
The second time is this grand final. As I stated earlier, I don't think minaaj being rung for cyrus is as big as a difference compared to minaaj being rung for pumpkin. That being said, the actions that Tristen took during this ticket is what I'm upset about.
Tristen stated minaaj was not a 'default ringer' since ktaeoh was the default ringer as per RGL rules. So, we denied minaaj and presented our case about why we were denying him. Tristen seemed to understand our point of view then and asked CCP to look for another ringer that both teams could agree on. CCP acknowledged this message. Meelo stated at this time that any scout in main besides minaaj would be approved (and obviously any other scout that we both agree on). This all took place around 5:30-6:00 PM est, 4 hours before GF. CCP didn't present a ringer at all until 8:41 PM. That ringer was pinaepple. I don't think it's hard to understand why we denied him. Tristen also asked CCP at around 9:20 to present screenshots of their attempts to find a ringer on their own. CCP posted screenshots asking other players past 9 PM. Thus, there was a clear lack of effort from CCP in looking for a ringer. Meelo on the other hand was reaching out to scout players in main, one that's made playoffs as well to offer as a ringer. All were denied of course. However, to CCP's defense, Tristen also didn't state anything about minaaj actually being denied as a ringer and just told CCP to 'try to find a different ringer and let me know if you can't fine one'. He remained very vague about this entire situation despite CCP asking for decisive decision regarding minaaj. Then at around 9:50, sometime after our pregame started, Tristen just said 'there's no time so I'm just gonna let minaaj play' and then went radio silent. Despite CCP's lack of effort to cooperate regarding this ringer situation, Tristen just let minaaj play again last minute.
That's why I'm disappointed in Tristen and why I agree with what hami said earlier in the thread. I think ringers that BOTH teams agree on are fine. (ktaeoh for CCP, iDare for meelo, JJ for GLORIOUS) What I don't think is fine is when a team is allowed to ring a player when they are not cooperative at all with the other team regarding the ringer. In grand finals at that. To be honest, I don't blame CCP. They'd obviously want to ring the best player that they could. I think it's the admin's job to notice the lack of effort put in by the ringing team and mediate the situation as best he can by communicating effectively. He failed to do that twice.
Also to clear up some false information
[quote=ktaeoh][quote=KIHBAE][quote=Hami]I don’t think in this case it would have made a difference as ccp looked a lot better and fluff is good, but I do think this is a good time to bring up a discussion on ringer vs sub culture.
IMO, the current rules give way to much leeway to teams who literally are showing up to an official, scheduled match without 6 players on their roster. Why should the team who show up with a full roster ready to play have to be inconvenienced by having the enemy team literally get their choice of possible ringers who fulfill some vague criteria about being “close to the skill level” of the player they’re replacing.
Subs exist for a reason. You SHOULD be getting subs on your roster to sub in. Ofc, you can always claim that your subs can’t play, they’re away etc (even if it isn’t true), but in that case, the enemy team is really doing you a courtesy to allow you to play the match without a full team. Allowing that team to then pick whoever they want is a little crazy to me. In many cases (again, maybe not in grands this szn, just in general), the team needing a ringer can just pick someone better than their actual player who still qualifies as a default ringer, and now the team who are showing up without 6 are at an advantage?? How does that make sense? The team that has their full team should have MUCH more leverage about allowing players to ring.
Will it suck when you need a ringer for real, and the enemy force you to take a weaker player? Sure, but it’s really not their problem that you don’t have a useful sub and they shouldn’t be forced to just accept a good player. In a big game like this grands, just reschedule if possible, and if it isn’t possible, then again, not sure why the team who have showed up with a full roster are forced to just let the other team get the best possible option.[/quote]
@ tristen
[/quote]
lmfao dis u? people really thought u were gonna win yapping all season and then dropping this? NVM LINK REMOVED[/quote]
I want you to show me where I yapped all season saying that meelo was gonna win. Please. I have never said in any way shape or form that Main was free this season or that I thought meelo was the best in main. All I did was play the game and did my best to win.
[quote=ktaeoh]Okay after talking to some people I thought it was ok to shit all over the half of the team that was toxic all season in a public thread, but I went too far and I apologize for that.
I saw the opponent's TL malding in public in the rgl discord and I thought it would be okay to reciprocate that attitude, as someone said it was like being a sore winner to a sore loser. But it's not cool to fight fire with fire even if I thought it was deserved at the time, and it wasn't fair to the rest of meelo who were actually the exact opposite and super chill during the season.
I don't want things to get cringer so I removed the attachments that embarrassed meelo that I posted and I want to apologize again and say that I'll keep the bm in private next time :thumbsup: Sorry and gg to all in ur future games[/quote]
You picked the player that literally refrained from bming and shit talking during scrims, matches, and in public chats to slander? To my knowledge, that screenshot was posted in a private chat, on a private server. You thought it was a great idea to post it on tftv? Seriously?
Also, I want you to show me where I malded in public in the rgl discord. I don't even type in rgl discord public chats. You keep manifesting 'evidence' to justify your shit talk.
KIHBAEThe only person I am disappointed in is Tristen.
What I am upset about is how Tristen handled the ringer situation twice this season. The first time was during bagel week. Highlander Gaming (HLG) requested to ring minaaj to replace pumpkin
Tristen stated minaaj was not a 'default ringer' since ktaeoh was the default ringer as per RGL rules.
according to div admin
1) minaaj = pumpkin
2) ringers who play for 3 officials after roster lock are still default for a playoffs match
and these opinions are unboxed at or after match time invariably
But for some corrections, you denied minaaj because of skill difference between him and cyrus and because he beat yall on a ring before, latter of which is completely understandable if not default. Then the reason tristen actually approved minaaj was ktaeoh cannot be default and minaaj and cyrus are not significantly different in overall skill. (determined through an intense game of guess who, where one option was a 25% beam scout and the other was a 35% beam scout)
THOUGH I have to agree with Hami on current rules being shit around ringers and teams should just play subs, our entire team specifically was incredibly unstable as far as roster availability the entire season and that shit should not be allowed to happen again
ggs again bro had a blast playing yall
[quote=KIHBAE]The only person I am disappointed in is Tristen.
What I am upset about is how Tristen handled the ringer situation twice this season. The first time was during bagel week. Highlander Gaming (HLG) requested to ring minaaj to replace pumpkin
Tristen stated minaaj was not a 'default ringer' since ktaeoh was the default ringer as per RGL rules.
[/quote]
according to div admin
1) minaaj = pumpkin
2) ringers who play for 3 officials after roster lock are still default for a playoffs match
and these opinions are unboxed at or after match time invariably
But for some corrections, you denied minaaj because of skill difference between him and cyrus and because he beat yall on a ring before, latter of which is completely understandable if not default. Then the reason tristen actually approved minaaj was ktaeoh cannot be default and minaaj and cyrus are not significantly different in overall skill. (determined through an intense game of guess who, where one option was a 25% beam scout and the other was a 35% beam scout)
THOUGH I have to agree with Hami on current rules being shit around ringers and teams should just play subs, our entire team specifically was incredibly unstable as far as roster availability the entire season and that shit should not be allowed to happen again
ggs again bro had a blast playing yall
didnt meelo win main like 2 seasons ago? why should anyone gaf if they lost to another main team for any reason?
didnt meelo win main like 2 seasons ago? why should anyone gaf if they lost to another main team for any reason?
im sorry but if ktaeoh ringing made minaaj not a default ringer then it's absolutely absurd that he was forced in against meelo's wishes
im sorry but if ktaeoh ringing made minaaj not a default ringer then it's absolutely absurd that he was forced in against meelo's wishes
maraudeRthis feels like an esea open thread. we’re so fucking back
genuinely thought this was an old esea thread for a sec
this is what tftv’s been missing for the past several years
[quote=maraudeR]this feels like an esea open thread. we’re so fucking back[/quote]
genuinely thought this was an old esea thread for a sec
this is what tftv’s been missing for the past several years
KIHBAEYou picked the player that literally refrained from bming and shit talking during scrims, matches, and in public chats to slander? To my knowledge, that screenshot was posted in a private chat, on a private server. You thought it was a great idea to post it on tftv? Seriously?
Also, I want you to show me where I malded in public in the rgl discord. I don't even type in rgl discord public chats. You keep manifesting 'evidence' to justify your shit talk.
Thoughts?
https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/1181827605310230528/1316656829866184745/kih.mov?ex=675dd1fa&is=675c807a&hm=30228183181189dd7e090465e49dd86336863eabb8d6c166b7826bbeb937ba14&;
[quote=KIHBAE]You picked the player that literally refrained from bming and shit talking during scrims, matches, and in public chats to slander? To my knowledge, that screenshot was posted in a private chat, on a private server. You thought it was a great idea to post it on tftv? Seriously?
Also, I want you to show me where I malded in public in the rgl discord. I don't even type in rgl discord public chats. You keep manifesting 'evidence' to justify your shit talk.[/quote]
Thoughts?
https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/1181827605310230528/1316656829866184745/kih.mov?ex=675dd1fa&is=675c807a&hm=30228183181189dd7e090465e49dd86336863eabb8d6c166b7826bbeb937ba14&
why did you ask a paranoid schizophrenic to make an audio track for your video
why did you ask a paranoid schizophrenic to make an audio track for your video
ktaeohKIHBAEYou picked the player that literally refrained from bming and shit talking during scrims, matches, and in public chats to slander? To my knowledge, that screenshot was posted in a private chat, on a private server. You thought it was a great idea to post it on tftv? Seriously?
Also, I want you to show me where I malded in public in the rgl discord. I don't even type in rgl discord public chats. You keep manifesting 'evidence' to justify your shit talk.
Thoughts?
https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/1181827605310230528/1316656829866184745/kih.mov?ex=675dd1fa&is=675c807a&hm=30228183181189dd7e090465e49dd86336863eabb8d6c166b7826bbeb937ba14&;
Wow I didn't know RGL main leaders channel with 15 people was a public chat that everyone in RGL had access to
I don't have good dm and I never claimed to. Regardless, my point still stands. I did try making plays and you took all of my deaths out of context for some reason and used it as evidence to make a point against...? Again, I never claimed I was the god flank scout, that I was better than kami, nor that I carried my team so I don't get what you're using this as evidence against lol. As a matter of fact, why are you bringing kami into this? I'm on good terms with him and I view him as someone who's put in the work throughout this season to improve. You dragged cody in first and now kami?
All I stated was that I refrained from being toxic in scrims, matches, and in public chats which still remains true
All you did was post a video calling me bad at the game when all I've done is defend against false claims against me. You keep making yourself look worse and worse somehow
do you think before you act?
[quote=ktaeoh][quote=KIHBAE]You picked the player that literally refrained from bming and shit talking during scrims, matches, and in public chats to slander? To my knowledge, that screenshot was posted in a private chat, on a private server. You thought it was a great idea to post it on tftv? Seriously?
Also, I want you to show me where I malded in public in the rgl discord. I don't even type in rgl discord public chats. You keep manifesting 'evidence' to justify your shit talk.[/quote]
Thoughts?
https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/1181827605310230528/1316656829866184745/kih.mov?ex=675dd1fa&is=675c807a&hm=30228183181189dd7e090465e49dd86336863eabb8d6c166b7826bbeb937ba14&[/quote]
Wow I didn't know RGL main leaders channel with 15 people was a public chat that everyone in RGL had access to
I don't have good dm and I never claimed to. Regardless, my point still stands. I did try making plays and you took all of my deaths out of context for some reason and used it as evidence to make a point against...? Again, I never claimed I was the god flank scout, that I was better than kami, nor that I carried my team so I don't get what you're using this as evidence against lol. As a matter of fact, why are you bringing kami into this? I'm on good terms with him and I view him as someone who's put in the work throughout this season to improve. You dragged cody in first and now kami?
All I stated was that I refrained from being toxic in scrims, matches, and in public chats which still remains true
All you did was post a video calling me bad at the game when all I've done is defend against false claims against me. You keep making yourself look worse and worse somehow
do you think before you act?