how are these cheaters so retarded when cheating on stream :/

damn bro thats crazy

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wow who could have guessed!!!!!!

The Case for Astre

First offense of a cheating ban should be permanent.

Clara is installing cheats on people's computers.

that video is older than you are

noob cheater noob ass noob

thanks tipa for showing us the truth

yeah lmao im a moron i just thought he wasn't cheating cause i was friends with him for 3 years and didn't want to believe it

Yeah that means RGL would be competent though

lmfao went private in the last few minutes

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why do they all do this shit

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"damn bro I got caught now I'm depressed"

anyone with the lil peep/yung lean/bladee pics also a hacker

am i having a stroke or did this guy get caught aimbotting on pugchamp a year and a half ago

astre already banned on rgl

noob down

FUCK SCAMER AND CHITER ,,, HACKER NOOB

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Uh oh.

its just stv hud glitch spec lag

I definitely get why people want cheating cases to be handled like this, but I am curious if this is truly what you want for the game? Applying permanent bans on first-timers would mean that people like amppis (VAC'd 2013) or Thalash (VAC'd 2012) would have never been allowed to play again after their ban. Speaking from an AC admin perspective, it is hard to tell who has the character to stop cheating and come back clean, and who will continue to cause trouble after their first ban. A lot of cheaters now already alt to try and evade their bans, which in turn gets their ban extended, further increasing the time they have to wait until they are officially allowed to play again. Applying a permanent ban from the start might just increase the amount of people alting to evade their ban because they have nothing to lose.
What I want to say is: Permanent bans for first-time cheaters will not stop those who probably deserve them from continuing their BS; but they will stop those who want to come back and try again clean.

Another thing to consider is the community reaction. For this to work, people would have to trust AC teams in their decision even more than now. There will be no doubt if the cheater streamed with cheat overlays on their screen showing or receiving a TF2 VAC, but what if it is not an obvious case and it's known that all TF2 AC teams generally will never share case evidence? People still bring up how they do not trust ETF2L AC because of an overturned ban which happened ten years ago (mostly by cheaters trying to appeal their own ban), with a completely different staff and a different way of how cheating cases were approached.
Most people will probably not care when a Low player gets banned, but what if the ban hits a Prem/Invite player, or a friend? There will be a lot of responses like "There is no way that they cheated, they are innocent, the AC team is wrong" because people don't understand that even if someone plays at the top level and might have good mechanics etc. it doesn't mean that they can't be using cheats in addition; or just because you assume that you know a player well it doesn't mean that they are always playing clean. Hell, you get these kind of responses even without permanent bans anyways. You just have to ignore them, but that doesn't make people very happy.

Waiting for his friends to vouch for him in a google doc

Fair points and I agree with what you said. That being said imo there's a difference between getting vac'd when you're a 14 year old pubber vs getting league banned when you're actively competing and of the age to know that cheating is bad.

https://imgur.com/a/Wm8iU5x
i knew it...

It’s only valid if they cite logs.tf at the end of their 15 page nerd essay.

That's true. But imo differentiating between who "deserves" to get perma'd and who doesn't because of age, circumstances and so on (did it only happen in pubs, do you believe them if they say it was only in pubs etc.) seems like it could open a whole can of worms with admin bias, community bias and so on.
For the two examples I gave, both of them had already participated in multiple seasons before their ban. If they are reading this: sorry for calling you out, I just saw that you got one year VAC bans on ETF2L way back then and you seemed like the best players to name. Also because this was a funny read: https://etf2l.org/2012/05/26/staff-changes-a-ban/

How do you get to the point where you feel compelled to cheat in Team Fortress 2. I never understood that. Trying to hide it and make yourself seem like a good player. I would understand people that cheat in pubs because they get satisfaction from the frustration created but cheating and hiding it and pretending it's actually you hitting the shots for self gratitude is a foreign concept to me personally. Either way, lmao.