Literally why are we getting rid of villa
Literally why are we getting rid of villa
Why are we replacing villa with a new map instead of just replacing it with bagel and playing 3x koth
Why are we replacing villa with a new map instead of just replacing it with bagel and playing 3x koth
Replacing 2 maps is an interesting call.
Replacing 2 maps is an interesting call.
now that the thread has been made, I can move on to substance.
allow me to quote myself from a thread a few weeks ago:
https://www.teamfortress.tv/59107/rgl-s5-post-season-survey#6
mustardoverlordyeah I didn't play last season so I can't personally view the survey and judge it but:
having player surveys does not a community league make, if a) the surveys only cover a narrow range of options pre-selected by the admins, and b) there's no guarantee that the results of the vote will be honored
it's a giant leap to go from "should villa be replaced" to "ok everyone wants a new, barely tested map instead", and it's another example of how rgl is a fake community league masquerading as a real one.
put any of those maps against adding bagel like jetz said, or granary for that matter, and see which one the community votes in, I think we all know how that would go.
now that the thread has been made, I can move on to substance.
allow me to quote myself from a thread a few weeks ago:
https://www.teamfortress.tv/59107/rgl-s5-post-season-survey#6
[quote=mustardoverlord]
yeah I didn't play last season so I can't personally view the survey and judge it but:
having player surveys does not a community league make, if a) the surveys only cover a narrow range of options pre-selected by the admins, and b) there's no guarantee that the results of the vote will be honored[/quote]
it's a giant leap to go from "should villa be replaced" to "ok everyone wants a new, barely tested map instead", and it's another example of how rgl is a fake community league masquerading as a real one.
put any of those maps against adding bagel like jetz said, or granary for that matter, and see which one the community votes in, I think we all know how that would go.
can you stop introducing shit fucking maps no one in invite wants to play and just put granary back in or at least put pro badlands into testing? why do you refuse to put either of those maps in the pool every season, is it because you know they will outvote any abortion of a map you put in?
can you stop introducing shit fucking maps no one in invite wants to play and just put granary back in or at least put pro badlands into testing? why do you refuse to put either of those maps in the pool every season, is it because you know they will outvote any abortion of a map you put in?
How many times does this thread need to happen LMAO
Makka aren't you the head admin or something now, I hope you're smart enough to realize before replacing a map you should do a confirmation vote to see that people actually want the new map over the one it's supposed to be replacing
Imagine you take a poll and 50+% say a given politician should be replaced, and then because they got voted out you ban them from running in the primary.... In what world does that make sense
How many times does this thread need to happen LMAO
Makka aren't you the head admin or something now, I hope you're smart enough to realize before replacing a map you should do a confirmation vote to see that people actually want the new map over the one it's supposed to be replacing
Imagine you take a poll and 50+% say a given politician should be replaced, and then because they got voted out you ban them from running in the primary.... In what world does that make sense
alright rgl how much are these mappers paying y'all
alright rgl how much are these mappers paying y'all
a minor issue is also with the koth rotation which is cool i guess, but most people assumed that one map would be swapped out every season with another map, like villa being swapped with bagel but 5cp. however, why the fuck is the map cup a day before the regular season starts? basically gives no one any time to actually try it out. kind of what bear was saying, you also screw yourself over if those maps are all shit.
just have bagel or older 5cp maps change with villa or host the cup way in advance instead of out of nowhere.
a minor issue is also with the koth rotation which is cool i guess, but most people assumed that one map would be swapped out every season with another map, like villa being swapped with bagel but 5cp. however, why the fuck is the map cup a day before the regular season starts? basically gives no one any time to actually try it out. kind of what bear was saying, you also screw yourself over if those maps are all shit.
just have bagel or older 5cp maps change with villa or host the cup way in advance instead of out of nowhere.
i mean... mannbase not that bad...
i mean... mannbase not that bad...
granary has lived long enough to become the underdog everyone wants in the map pool. amazing
granary has lived long enough to become the underdog everyone wants in the map pool. amazing
doikualright rgl how much are these mappers paying y'all
None, but I have asked for testing. This cup is not what I personally imagined the testing to look like.
segamwi mean... mannbase not that bad...
Appreciate but the map is still a wip and will not be better for competition than maps that are already established.
However, that's not necessarily what people are upset about. Based off what I've read in this thread (remember I don't follow the RGL scene) Players have not been given ANY time to even look at these maps. While mannbase is slightly more established, mist, workflow and craneway are all maps that I doubt most people have even heard of. This is especially bad when the RGL regular season starts the day after.
Recently ozfortress ran a 2 day cup forcing players to run mannbase. Our regular season is still a while away so it meant players had time to digest the map. If RGL really wanst to be testing VERY WIP maps for the regular season they would atleast do this.
Mappers don't want their maps placed blindly into leagues, it's a bad choice for the development of the map and for the competition for the league. By all means place new maps in league, but this is not the way to do it.
I have one more point which is more a vent than anything.
I think that mappers have been getting a bad wrap because of decisions like these from leagues. Remember it's not the mapper that placed their map into the league. It's the league that did.
Sorry for messy formatting etc at work on mobile.
Edit: I'd like to make it clear I am very grateful for this testing. Having leagues notice hardwork is a massive reward for mappers.
[quote=doiku]alright rgl how much are these mappers paying y'all[/quote]
None, but I have asked for testing. This cup is not what I personally imagined the testing to look like.
[quote=segamw]i mean... mannbase not that bad...[/quote]
Appreciate but the map is still a wip and will not be better for competition than maps that are already established.
However, that's not necessarily what people are upset about. Based off what I've read in this thread (remember I don't follow the RGL scene) Players have not been given ANY time to even look at these maps. While mannbase is slightly more established, mist, workflow and craneway are all maps that I doubt most people have even heard of. This is especially bad when the RGL regular season starts the day after.
Recently ozfortress ran a 2 day cup forcing players to run mannbase. Our regular season is still a while away so it meant players had time to digest the map. If RGL really wanst to be testing VERY WIP maps for the regular season they would atleast do this.
Mappers don't want their maps placed blindly into leagues, it's a bad choice for the development of the map and for the competition for the league. By all means place new maps in league, but this is not the way to do it.
I have one more point which is more a vent than anything.
I think that mappers have been getting a bad wrap because of decisions like these from leagues. Remember it's not the mapper that placed their map into the league. It's the league that did.
Sorry for messy formatting etc at work on mobile.
Edit: I'd like to make it clear I am very grateful for this testing. Having leagues notice hardwork is a massive reward for mappers.
the fuck is this 'figure out what map we're playing in a cup after the season has started' bullshit
the fuck is this 'figure out what map we're playing in a cup after the season has started' bullshit
granary and/or badlands pls
granary and/or badlands pls
Why the fuck is Invite STILL playing a different map pool? Someone explain.
Why the fuck is Invite STILL playing a different map pool? Someone explain.
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FactsMachineWhy the fuck is Invite STILL playing a different map pool? Someone explain.
Invite having an extra map makes sense because of the pick/ban system. And the idea that Invite teams get to break open some new maps (like Bagel over the last couple of seasons) is solid.
I really don't like how they removed two maps in order to get Bagel and a map that will be decided literally days before the season starts. From what I had heard, the plan was to cycle Villa out for Bagel and I think everyone wouldn't have batted an eye. But this is...something else entirely.
[quote=FactsMachine]Why the fuck is Invite STILL playing a different map pool? Someone explain.[/quote]
Invite having an extra map makes sense because of the pick/ban system. And the idea that Invite teams get to break open some new maps (like Bagel over the last couple of seasons) is solid.
I [i]really[/i] don't like how they removed two maps in order to get Bagel and a map that will be decided literally days before the season starts. From what I had heard, the plan was to cycle Villa out for Bagel and I think everyone wouldn't have batted an eye. But this is...something else entirely.
BRING BACK GRANARY YOU TYRANTS
BRING BACK GRANARY YOU TYRANTS
just some "non-ideal" clipping I found on cp_mist...
https://imgur.com/a/WLYXRf2
ill try to get in contact with the map makers for anything else I find, but thought it would be good to share with everyone here too.
I can say mannbase is well polished in the clipping area tho, but the mood of this thread seems more "rGL StUPiD" than "im glad theres new content, even if it is rough around the edges" :/
just some "non-ideal" clipping I found on cp_mist...
https://imgur.com/a/WLYXRf2
ill try to get in contact with the map makers for anything else I find, but thought it would be good to share with everyone here too.
I can say mannbase is well polished in the clipping area tho, but the mood of this thread seems more "rGL StUPiD" than "im glad theres new content, even if it is rough around the edges" :/
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Not a fan of these map moves, would have rather seen reckoner or even log jam get considered. Of course bringing back granary or badlands would be worth considering as well.
I also don't like the fact that they mention Viaduct will be pulled the following season.
Not a fan of these map moves, would have rather seen reckoner or even log jam get considered. Of course bringing back granary or badlands would be worth considering as well.
I also don't like the fact that they mention Viaduct will be pulled the following season.
Its b4nnys league we're just playing in it
Its b4nnys league we're just playing in it
unrelated to map shit but why is there only a week between season 6 announcement and invite team sign up deadline? that seems super short
unrelated to map shit but why is there only a week between season 6 announcement and invite team sign up deadline? that seems super short
new maps look fun to watch
new maps look fun to watch
Use granary/badlands pro and let your pug service that you've been working on forever be used to test new maps.
Use granary/badlands pro and let your pug service that you've been working on forever be used to test new maps.
Getting these new maps tested in a cup is a good idea and will help them develop. Turning this around into a full season of play.. well the community response to that is clear enough already. Do I think craneway is ready to be played in a quick cup? Sure, that's pretty low consequence if it sucks. Do I think it's ready to be played in a league for a full season? I don't know, which is probably too close to "no" for most people. Whatever map is chosen will probably voted out as a knee-jerk reaction next season, even if it has serious merit. That would leave it like cardinal, a map that was probably very improvable, but got screwed over by league decisions.
Getting these new maps tested in a cup is a good idea and will help them develop. Turning this around into a full season of play.. well the community response to that is clear enough already. Do I think craneway is ready to be played in a quick cup? Sure, that's pretty low consequence if it sucks. Do I think it's ready to be played in a league for a full season? I don't know, which is probably too close to "no" for most people. Whatever map is chosen will probably voted out as a knee-jerk reaction next season, even if it has serious merit. That would leave it like cardinal, a map that was probably very improvable, but got screwed over by league decisions.
just put granary back in until you have a better map to replace it with jesus christ
just put granary back in until you have a better map to replace it with jesus christ
Villa was played one time during the regular season and one time during playoffs. How does RGL not have any fucking clue that a new map is going to have the exact same thing happen to it, especially after ZERO time has been allotted to it being added and the season starting. If badlands or granary were back in at least it would see some playtime from teams with older players, these new maps aren't wanted by anyone though.
Villa was played one time during the regular season and one time during playoffs. How does RGL not have any fucking clue that a new map is going to have the exact same thing happen to it, especially after ZERO time has been allotted to it being added and the season starting. If badlands or granary were back in at least it would see [i]some[/i] playtime from teams with older players, these new maps aren't wanted by anyone though.
"Progress!!" RGL proclaims as they force in new map after new map just to have them played single digit times during the season and then immediately voted out
"Progress!!" RGL proclaims as they force in new map after new map just to have them played single digit times during the season and then immediately voted out
RGL is gonna use the argument of us picking shit maps once during regular season to fuck over other teams who don't practice it as reason to go "yea see, invite DOES play those shitty maps!!"
RGL is gonna use the argument of us picking shit maps once during regular season to fuck over other teams who don't practice it as reason to go "yea see, invite DOES play those shitty maps!!"