u guys are arguing with a Christian who [presumably] doesn’t want to have to pay for a fraction of their neighbors cancer treatment.
Large XD to every Christian who genuinely believes other peoples problems are not theirs simply bcus they can afford to ignore it. Your religion is based around saving people on earth so they can go to a heavenly after life, yet as soon as someone down the street from u is in crippling medical debt, we don’t really give a shit abt loving thy neighbor. Find jesus as long as it doesn’t effect my taxes!
it is so crazy tho I argue with Christian people about social issues all the time. Your only chance of saving people according to your religion is Evangelism while on earth, it's just so crazy to me how all these "evangelists" genuinely see people as numbers. I've heard my dad say some shit like "if you cant afford a colonoscopy because you dont have insurance, you probably dont provide enough to America to deserve one". and I'm just sitting there like, dont you want the atheist with scoliosis to be able to think about shit like church, and not how they're gonna be homeless if they dont make a gofundme??? Just very backwards to be about "saving" as many non believers as u can in your lifetime, but actively picketing against social systems that make your neighbors life better.
u guys are arguing with a Christian who [presumably] doesn’t want to have to pay for a fraction of their neighbors cancer treatment.
Large XD to every Christian who genuinely believes other peoples problems are not theirs simply bcus they can afford to ignore it. Your religion is based around saving people on earth so they can go to a heavenly after life, yet as soon as someone down the street from u is in crippling medical debt, we don’t really give a shit abt loving thy neighbor. Find jesus as long as it doesn’t effect my taxes!
it is so crazy tho I argue with Christian people about social issues all the time. Your only chance of saving people according to your religion is Evangelism while on earth, it's just so crazy to me how all these "evangelists" genuinely see people as numbers. I've heard my dad say some shit like "if you cant afford a colonoscopy because you dont have insurance, you probably dont provide enough to America to deserve one". and I'm just sitting there like, dont you want the atheist with scoliosis to be able to think about shit like church, and not how they're gonna be homeless if they dont make a gofundme??? Just very backwards to be about "saving" as many non believers as u can in your lifetime, but actively picketing against social systems that make your neighbors life better.
why is it always american with stupid take? no wonder country so bad
why is it always american with stupid take? no wonder country so bad
im all for more transit systems if it means i get to be able to sit in a train and think about my problems like in the movies
im all for more transit systems if it means i get to be able to sit in a train and think about my problems like in the movies
Am I missing something or did he never say he was christian? Like I’m all for a railway but Idk about assuming stuff based on his opinion
Am I missing something or did he never say he was christian? Like I’m all for a railway but Idk about assuming stuff based on his opinion
PoptobobAm I missing something or did he never say he was christian? Like I’m all for a railway but Idk about assuming stuff based on his opinion
https://i.imgur.com/SFmroDA.png
http://www.vaticancatholic.com
[quote=Poptobob]Am I missing something or did he never say he was christian? Like I’m all for a railway but Idk about assuming stuff based on his opinion[/quote]
[img]https://i.imgur.com/SFmroDA.png[/img]
http://www.vaticancatholic.com
and I thought Christianity about helping thy neighbor lmfao
and I thought Christianity about helping thy neighbor lmfao
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PoptobobAm I missing something or did he never say he was christian? Like I’m all for a railway but Idk about assuming stuff based on his opinion
nah i have beef with JW bcus im from a religious family and he reminds me of me when I was in like 6th grade
[quote=Poptobob]Am I missing something or did he never say he was christian? Like I’m all for a railway but Idk about assuming stuff based on his opinion[/quote]
nah i have beef with JW bcus im from a religious family and he reminds me of me when I was in like 6th grade
tojou guys are arguing with a Christian who [presumably] doesn’t want to have to pay for a fraction of their neighbors cancer treatment.
Fringe Catholic
[quote=tojo]u guys are arguing with a Christian who [presumably] doesn’t want to have to pay for a fraction of their neighbors cancer treatment.
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Fringe Catholic
tojo
Your presumption about me is incorrect.
The difference between charity and taxation is that with charity, I can choose where my money goes and what it gets used for. As an added bonus, charity is also voluntary.
This in contrast to taxes, where I don't get to choose where my money is spent ("just vote harder!"). I don't want my money going to abortions, for example.
Where is the personal responsibility? I am against entitlement. People have forgotten that before government medical care programs existed in the United States, it was common for private doctors to treat impoverished patients, and medical charity was booming. Many charities for healthcare (and other things) are still operating today, despite the government's best wishes to crowd out the private sector.
No one has responded to my central argument: If this is truly a point of concern for you all, which I'm not disputing, then go ahead and invest in high speed rail companies, and go ahead and donate to charity. I will donate to charity myself, by my own volition, and without the fiat of a government official. People aren't as selfish as you think.
"To heal the breach between the rich and the poor, it is necessary to distinguish between justice and charity." -- Pope Pius X
“As a matter of fact, however, merely naturally good works are only a counterfeit of virtue since they are neither permanent nor sufficient for salvation.” -- Pope Pius X
[quote=tojo][/quote]
Your presumption about me is incorrect.
The difference between charity and taxation is that with charity, I can choose where my money goes and what it gets used for. As an added bonus, charity is also voluntary.
This in contrast to taxes, where I don't get to choose where my money is spent ("just vote harder!"). I don't want my money going to abortions, for example.
Where is the personal responsibility? I am against entitlement. People have forgotten that before government medical care programs existed in the United States, it was common for private doctors to treat impoverished patients, and medical charity was booming. Many charities for healthcare (and other things) are still operating today, despite the government's best wishes to crowd out the private sector.
No one has responded to my central argument: If this is truly a point of concern for you all, which I'm not disputing, then go ahead and invest in high speed rail companies, and go ahead and donate to charity. I will donate to charity myself, by my own volition, and without the fiat of a government official. People aren't as selfish as you think.
"To heal the breach between the rich and the poor, it is necessary to distinguish between justice and charity." -- Pope Pius X
“As a matter of fact, however, merely naturally good works are only a counterfeit of virtue since they are neither permanent nor sufficient for salvation.” -- Pope Pius X
Jwtojo
i think ronald reagan is cool probably
https://i.imgur.com/ejgkjfA.png
[quote=Jw][quote=tojo][/quote]i think ronald reagan is cool probably[/quote]
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this a tf2 forum we aren't saving the world
this a tf2 forum we aren't saving the world
reeceJwtojo
i think ronald reagan is cool probably
https://i.imgur.com/ejgkjfA.png
i choose to believe this is a meme you found instead of made because thinking about other situations to use it is funny
[quote=reece][quote=Jw][quote=tojo][/quote]i think ronald reagan is cool probably[/quote]
[img]https://i.imgur.com/ejgkjfA.png[/img][/quote]
i choose to believe this is a meme you found instead of made because thinking about other situations to use it is funny
i like the guy who said we shouldnt assume the jw's a catholic and then he drops a libertarian bible text and ends it with papal quotes
i like the guy who said we shouldnt assume the jw's a catholic and then he drops a libertarian bible text and ends it with papal quotes
imagine trying to make the world a better place for everybody lmao couldnt be america
imagine trying to make the world a better place for everybody lmao couldnt be america
i thought we were talking about trains but i'm all for derailing the thread to dunk on christians
i thought we were talking about trains but i'm all for derailing the thread to dunk on christians
GrapeJuiceIIIimagine trying to make the world a better place for everybody lmao couldnt be america
couldnt be anywhere. u cant rely on a single nation to ever take the moral ground and it not be for self-interests, which is why u just make do with whether its the right choice and leave it at that. its not an "American" thing, the rabbit hole goes much deeper than that.
[quote=GrapeJuiceIII]imagine trying to make the world a better place for everybody lmao couldnt be america[/quote]
couldnt be anywhere. u cant rely on a single nation to ever take the moral ground and it not be for self-interests, which is why u just make do with whether its the right choice and leave it at that. its not an "American" thing, the rabbit hole goes much deeper than that.
jw no one is ever going to agree with your dumbass ideas and will only see you as the guy who told someone their grandma was going to burn in hell and then somehow got worse.
high speed rail in america is a great concept and idea, but car culture and hatred of everyone else is so ingrained in USA culture it'll never happen
jw no one is ever going to agree with your dumbass ideas and will only see you as the guy who told someone their grandma was going to burn in hell and then somehow got worse.
high speed rail in america is a great concept and idea, but car culture and hatred of everyone else is so ingrained in USA culture it'll never happen
Jwtojo
Where is the personal responsibility? I am against entitlement. People have forgotten that before government medical care programs existed in the United States, it was common for private doctors to treat impoverished patients, and medical charity was booming. Many charities for healthcare (and other things) are still operating today, despite the government's best wishes to crowd out the private sector.
Yes, charity existed, but it is and never will be a replacement for universal coverage. Access to care was sparce, what care you did get was intermittent, and death from preventable illnesses was high. The US has a garbage system regardless of ideology, the Netherlands has a functional mostly privatized (and subsized + regulated) healthcare system that isn't bloated by totally unregulated drug prices, medical device prices, doctor salaries, middleman fees taken by insurance companies, lack of choice in insurance (you get what ur employer gives you for the most part).
[quote=Jw][quote=tojo][/quote]
Where is the personal responsibility? I am against entitlement. [b]People have forgotten that before government medical care programs existed in the United States, it was common for private doctors to treat impoverished patients, and medical charity was booming. [/b] Many charities for healthcare (and other things) are still operating today, despite the government's best wishes to crowd out the private sector.
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Yes, charity existed, but it is and never will be a replacement for universal coverage. Access to care was sparce, what care you did get was intermittent, and death from preventable illnesses was high. The US has a garbage system regardless of ideology, the Netherlands has a functional mostly privatized (and subsized + regulated) healthcare system that isn't bloated by totally unregulated drug prices, medical device prices, doctor salaries, middleman fees taken by insurance companies, lack of choice in insurance (you get what ur employer gives you for the most part).
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JwhannahJwI have no intention of ever boarding a train, so I shouldn't have to pay for it
selfish mentality
The principle is that if I work to make money, then that's my money. I don't think a politician can decide how to spend my money better than me.
I don't really like cupcakes, so I don't have to spend any of my money on cupcakes. Those who do like cupcakes can spend it on them if they so choose, and it doesn't affect me. Similarly, if I really like ramen noodles, I don't expect other people to pay for my ramen. Other people's money belongs to them, and my money belongs to me. Those who have no intention of eating ramen shouldn't have to pay for it. It goes both ways.
Again, if you or others think trains are useful to you, then by all means, vote with your dollars by investing in high speed rail companies, or even just using America's passenger trains. There are other countries with private rail systems that are doing quite well (kind of like the private freight rail system in the US), and I'm not saying it's impossible to work. My only claim is that every public rail system in US history has gone down the hole in debt, but especially the large scale ones like the transcontinental railways and Amtrack.
The prices for passenger and freight rail were about the same in America up until 1980, but then freight railways were privatized. Now, the price for hauling by freight rail is lower than before and supports a massive trucking industry. Conversely, the price for public passenger rail rates have not decreased since 1980, and have actually increased when compared with freight rail.
when you vote with your dollars
people with more dollars get more votes
thats the fucking point dumbass thats why we are in this situation in the first place but u probably think that they 100% earned all those fucking dollars
[quote=Jw][quote=hannah][quote=Jw]I have no intention of ever boarding a train, so I shouldn't have to pay for it [/quote]
selfish mentality[/quote]
The principle is that if I work to make money, then that's my money. I don't think a politician can decide how to spend my money better than me.
I don't really like cupcakes, so I don't have to spend any of my money on cupcakes. Those who do like cupcakes can spend it on them if they so choose, and it doesn't affect me. Similarly, if I really like ramen noodles, I don't expect other people to pay for my ramen. Other people's money belongs to them, and my money belongs to me. Those who have no intention of eating ramen shouldn't have to pay for it. It goes both ways.
Again, if you or others think trains are useful to you, then by all means, vote with your dollars by investing in high speed rail companies, or even just using America's passenger trains. There are other countries with private rail systems that are doing quite well (kind of like the private freight rail system in the US), and I'm not saying it's impossible to work. My only claim is that every public rail system in US history has gone down the hole in debt, but especially the large scale ones like the transcontinental railways and Amtrack.
The prices for passenger and freight rail were about the same in America up until 1980, but then freight railways were privatized. Now, the price for hauling by freight rail is lower than before and supports a massive trucking industry. Conversely, the price for public passenger rail rates have not decreased since 1980, and have actually increased when compared with freight rail.[/quote]
when you vote with your dollars
[b]people with more dollars get more votes[/b]
thats the fucking point dumbass thats why we are in this situation in the first place but u probably think that they 100% earned all those fucking dollars
Jw
you busy talking about high speed rail in US, while I'm busy high speed railin' u mom
[quote=Jw]
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you busy talking about high speed rail in US, while I'm busy high speed railin' u mom
crackbabydumpsteri like the guy who said we shouldnt assume the jw's a catholic and then he drops a libertarian bible text and ends it with papal quotes
He's not even catholic, I think. He's linked videos on his profile page that, among other things, explain how Pope Francis isn't actually the pope. I am pretty sure that disqualifies him.
He might be christian on a technicality, but he sure doesn't act like it.
[quote=crackbabydumpster]i like the guy who said we shouldnt assume the jw's a catholic and then he drops a libertarian bible text and ends it with papal quotes[/quote]
He's not even catholic, I think. He's linked videos on his profile page that, among other things, explain how Pope Francis isn't actually the pope. I am pretty sure that disqualifies him.
He might be christian on a technicality, but he sure doesn't act like it.
JwDumb take about charity
Individual donations to charity will not be anywhere near enough to bring any sort of worthwhile reform as that individual cannot singlehandedly fund an entire new railroad network for the US unless they're like Jeff Bezos or some shit (and we all know those ultra rich retards would never do anything like that). Reforming our HSR network will not be able to come to fruition through individuals singlehandedly attempting to fight shit, and can only come if individuals are able to come together as one collective unit that could then be large enough to cause significant pressure to our government to force reform to happen or threaten the government to lose their power through revolutionary means.
You thinking that individuals can save the world as individuals and using that as an excuse to be able to sit on your ass and do nothing is not only laughably stupid, but also singlehandedly exposes you as a hypocrite if you really do claim to be a Christian. Taxation was created to counteract selfish assholes like you since if there were to be no way to force you, you would happily want to sit on your ass and horde wealth
[quote=Jw]Dumb take about charity[/quote]
Individual donations to charity will not be anywhere near enough to bring any sort of worthwhile reform as that individual cannot singlehandedly fund an entire new railroad network for the US unless they're like Jeff Bezos or some shit (and we all know those ultra rich retards would never do anything like that). Reforming our HSR network will not be able to come to fruition through individuals singlehandedly attempting to fight shit, and can only come if individuals are able to come together as one collective unit that could then be large enough to cause significant pressure to our government to force reform to happen or threaten the government to lose their power through revolutionary means.
You thinking that individuals can save the world as individuals and using that as an excuse to be able to sit on your ass and do nothing is not only laughably stupid, but also singlehandedly exposes you as a hypocrite if you really do claim to be a Christian. Taxation was created to counteract selfish assholes like you since if there were to be no way to force you, you would happily want to sit on your ass and horde wealth
Bob_MarleyJw
you busy talking about high speed rail in USA, while I'm busy high speed railin ur mom
#54 joke but worse
[quote=Bob_Marley][quote=Jw]
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you busy talking about high speed rail in USA, while I'm busy high speed railin ur mom[/quote]
#54 joke but worse
flatlinethats the fucking point dumbass thats why we are in this situation in the first place but u probably think that they 100% earned all those fucking dollars
ya i mean that kinda already happens, manufactured consent and whatnot
[quote=flatline]thats the fucking point dumbass thats why we are in this situation in the first place but u probably think that they 100% earned all those fucking dollars[/quote]
ya i mean that kinda already happens, manufactured consent and whatnot
JwVote with your dollars
Bold to assume that everyone can afford to vote with their dollars, and that they won't simply not be able to make use of HSR, limiting their economic opportunities that open up as a result, for example. Unless you have some alternative explanation for why 99% of the population was absolutely destitute for the good part of the capitalist era
[quote=Jw]Vote with your dollars[/quote]
Bold to assume that everyone can afford to vote with their dollars, and that they won't simply not be able to make use of HSR, limiting their economic opportunities that open up as a result, for example. Unless you have some alternative explanation for why 99% of the population was absolutely destitute for the good part of the capitalist era