Azraeli suppose hanbrolo wants us all to check our privilege at the door too
Actually I'd just be happy if people were considerate both of others and the potential impact of their words. Especially since it brings this game down in my opinion.
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[quote=Azrael]i suppose hanbrolo wants us all to check our privilege at the door too[/quote]
Actually I'd just be happy if people were considerate both of others and the potential impact of their words. Especially since it brings this game down in my opinion.
Actually I'd just be happy if people were considerate both of others and the potential impact of their words. Especially since it brings this game down in my opinion.
marmadukeGRYLLSso do all of you crusaders against the words faggot and raped scold black people when they say "nigga?" if not, shut the fuck up.
that analogy would only work if they scolded gay people for using the word "faggot" and rape victims for using the word "raped"
[quote=marmadukeGRYLLS]so do all of you crusaders against the words faggot and raped scold black people when they say "nigga?" if not, shut the fuck up.[/quote]
that analogy would only work if they scolded gay people for using the word "faggot" and rape victims for using the word "raped"
that analogy would only work if they scolded gay people for using the word "faggot" and rape victims for using the word "raped"
Seems like a day of open discussion on gay rights (NOT on the offensiveness of the word "faggot") would be a lot more beneficial in terms of preventing the ostracism of gay people than a day of silent solidarity with LGBT youth.
Seems like a day of open discussion on gay rights (NOT on the offensiveness of the word "faggot") would be a lot more beneficial in terms of preventing the ostracism of gay people than a day of silent solidarity with LGBT youth.
2sy_morphiendEBFExcellent strawman, care to wager being older than me as your argument as well?2sy_morphiendA lot of people grew up with faggot as a generic insult and never did and still don't associate it with homophobia. I refuse to accept that somehow faggot has a magic ability to offend people when plenty of people were repeatedly called something in school regardless of minority status and have managed to trivialize and get over it.I'm sorry, I didn't realize that the universe consisted only of people from your school.
I concede all my previous statements to your irrefutable logic. We might as well close the thread now.
You are actively refusing to accept that people can be offended by the word faggot even though other people are telling you that they find it offensive.
I was responding to a ridiculous statement with an equally ridiculous statement, because appealing to your sense of logic is obviously a lost cause.
Now I think this thread truly should be locked, because it's descended into idiocy (which admittedly took six more pages than I originally thought it would).
I'm sorry, OP, you tried. :(
[quote=2sy_morphiend][quote=EBF][quote=2sy_morphiend]A lot of people grew up with faggot as a generic insult and never did and still don't associate it with homophobia. [b]I refuse to accept[/b] that somehow faggot has a [b]magic ability[/b] to offend people when plenty of people were repeatedly called something in school regardless of minority status and have managed to trivialize and get over it.[/quote]
I'm sorry, I didn't realize that the universe consisted only of people from your school.
I concede all my previous statements to your irrefutable logic. We might as well close the thread now.[/quote]
Excellent strawman, care to wager being older than me as your argument as well?[/quote]
You are [b]actively refusing[/b] to accept that people can be offended by the word faggot even though other people are [b]telling you[/b] that they find it offensive.
I was responding to a ridiculous statement with an equally ridiculous statement, because appealing to your sense of logic is obviously a lost cause.
Now I think this thread truly should be locked, because it's descended into idiocy (which admittedly took six more pages than I originally thought it would).
I'm sorry, OP, you tried. :(
I'm sorry, I didn't realize that the universe consisted only of people from your school.
I concede all my previous statements to your irrefutable logic. We might as well close the thread now.[/quote]
Excellent strawman, care to wager being older than me as your argument as well?[/quote]
You are [b]actively refusing[/b] to accept that people can be offended by the word faggot even though other people are [b]telling you[/b] that they find it offensive.
I was responding to a ridiculous statement with an equally ridiculous statement, because appealing to your sense of logic is obviously a lost cause.
Now I think this thread truly should be locked, because it's descended into idiocy (which admittedly took six more pages than I originally thought it would).
I'm sorry, OP, you tried. :(
EBFYou are actively refusing to accept that people can be offended by the word faggot even though other people are telling you that they find it offensive.
I was responding to a ridiculous statement with an equally ridiculous statement, because appealing to your sense of logic is obviously a lost cause.
Now I think this thread truly should be locked, because it's descended into idiocy (which admittedly took six more pages than I originally thought it would).
I'm sorry, OP, you tried. :(
Except my statement was that faggot is no more especially offensive than any other insult. There are also people telling you that they aren't offended by it, meaning that it is quite clearly possible to get over it.
Obviously my logic is lacking. This coming from the guy who made his own post with his own examples of "arguments" in the thread (great job removing any support those arguers added) and accused every gay person in the thread that said they weren't offended by "faggot" of trivializing the reactions of literally every gay person on the planet.
Quit +fragging yourself and go cry on your fucking tumblr
[quote=EBF]You are [b]actively refusing[/b] to accept that people can be offended by the word faggot even though other people are [b]telling you[/b] that they find it offensive.
I was responding to a ridiculous statement with an equally ridiculous statement, because appealing to your sense of logic is obviously a lost cause.
Now I think this thread truly should be locked, because it's descended into idiocy (which admittedly took six more pages than I originally thought it would).
I'm sorry, OP, you tried. :([/quote]
Except my statement was that faggot is no more especially offensive than any other insult. There are also people [b]telling you[/b] that they aren't offended by it, meaning that it is quite clearly possible to [b]get over it[/b].
Obviously my logic is lacking. This coming from the guy who made his own post with his own examples of "arguments" in the thread (great job removing any support those arguers added) and accused every gay person in the thread that said they weren't offended by "faggot" of trivializing the reactions of literally every gay person on the planet.
Quit +fragging yourself and [b]go cry on your fucking tumblr[/b]
I was responding to a ridiculous statement with an equally ridiculous statement, because appealing to your sense of logic is obviously a lost cause.
Now I think this thread truly should be locked, because it's descended into idiocy (which admittedly took six more pages than I originally thought it would).
I'm sorry, OP, you tried. :([/quote]
Except my statement was that faggot is no more especially offensive than any other insult. There are also people [b]telling you[/b] that they aren't offended by it, meaning that it is quite clearly possible to [b]get over it[/b].
Obviously my logic is lacking. This coming from the guy who made his own post with his own examples of "arguments" in the thread (great job removing any support those arguers added) and accused every gay person in the thread that said they weren't offended by "faggot" of trivializing the reactions of literally every gay person on the planet.
Quit +fragging yourself and [b]go cry on your fucking tumblr[/b]
SneakyPolarBearSeems like a day of open discussion on gay rights (NOT on the offensiveness of the word "faggot") would be a lot more beneficial in terms of preventing the ostracism of gay people than a day of silent solidarity with LGBT youth.
I agree with this sentiment. However, it is very difficult for a lot of people to talk about this sort of stuff openly (and not just on an internet forum). LGBT is still an awkward conversation a lot of times (and a hostile one some of the times), especially when you are or think you are or know someone who is lgbt. By all accounts, I wish it wasn't. Still, Day of Silence recognizes this difficulty and allows people to show their support for lgbt individuals such as myself without crossing a bridge they are not ready to cross for whatever reason (and I'll say that they have good reasons).
What we must also realize is that LGBT is already making headlines left and right so it is difficult to keep it out of conversation. I believe that the Day of Silence is becoming rapidly antiquated.
[quote=SneakyPolarBear]Seems like a day of open discussion on gay rights (NOT on the offensiveness of the word "faggot") would be a lot more beneficial in terms of preventing the ostracism of gay people than a day of silent solidarity with LGBT youth.[/quote]
I agree with this sentiment. However, it is very difficult for a lot of people to talk about this sort of stuff openly (and not just on an internet forum). LGBT is still an awkward conversation a lot of times (and a hostile one some of the times), especially when you are or think you are or know someone who is lgbt. By all accounts, I wish it wasn't. Still, Day of Silence recognizes this difficulty and allows people to show their support for lgbt individuals such as myself without crossing a bridge they are not ready to cross for whatever reason (and I'll say that they have good reasons).
What we must also realize is that LGBT is already making headlines left and right so it is difficult to keep it out of conversation. I believe that the Day of Silence is becoming rapidly antiquated.
I agree with this sentiment. However, it is very difficult for a lot of people to talk about this sort of stuff openly (and not just on an internet forum). LGBT is still an awkward conversation a lot of times (and a hostile one some of the times), especially when you are or think you are or know someone who is lgbt. By all accounts, I wish it wasn't. Still, Day of Silence recognizes this difficulty and allows people to show their support for lgbt individuals such as myself without crossing a bridge they are not ready to cross for whatever reason (and I'll say that they have good reasons).
What we must also realize is that LGBT is already making headlines left and right so it is difficult to keep it out of conversation. I believe that the Day of Silence is becoming rapidly antiquated.
how about never say anything with a particular malice or intent to hurt and be mindful of a possible audience who might get hurt...then join the rest of us normal/reasonable human beings who know that words are just words and context makes all the difference. Be intelligent and understand some people will find a way to be offended no matter what you say, so long as you don't go around talking like a mook you should generally have an okay time putting up with everyone's shit.
how about never say anything with a particular malice or intent to hurt and be mindful of a possible audience who might get hurt...then join the rest of us normal/reasonable human beings who know that words are just words and context makes all the difference. Be intelligent and understand some people will find a way to be offended no matter what you say, so long as you don't go around talking like a mook you should generally have an okay time putting up with everyone's shit.
There are 364 days in a year that could be used to talk about gay rights. Day of Silence is only one and not many people actually stay silent the whole day (usually just until school ends or whatever). It's a form of protest. The whole point of the Day of Silence is to bring attention to the fact that a lot of people (mostly kids) don't have a voice within their communities, schools, families, etc. because stigma and prejudice keep them fearful and silent. It's a demonstration designed to elicit empathy and understanding for what these people go through. Not that many people here are interested in empathy or understanding anyway, but it is what is.
This is where I would normally argue about how I don't like the word faggot and don't really think it should be used as much as it is, but what's the point. Clearly I'm just a faggot who should shut up the fuck up and deal with my obvious emotional issues.
There are 364 days in a year that could be used to talk about gay rights. Day of Silence is only one and not many people actually stay silent the whole day (usually just until school ends or whatever). It's a form of protest. The whole point of the Day of Silence is to bring attention to the fact that a lot of people (mostly kids) don't have a voice within their communities, schools, families, etc. because stigma and prejudice keep them fearful and silent. It's a demonstration designed to elicit empathy and understanding for what these people go through. Not that many people here are interested in empathy or understanding anyway, but it is what is.
This is where I would normally argue about how I don't like the word faggot and don't really think it should be used as much as it is, but what's the point. Clearly I'm just a faggot who should shut up the fuck up and deal with my obvious emotional issues.
This is where I would normally argue about how I don't like the word faggot and don't really think it should be used as much as it is, but what's the point. Clearly I'm just a faggot who should shut up the fuck up and deal with my obvious emotional issues.
I wasn't able to read through this thread until now because of was the LAN
Every person has experienced different things in their lives, we all have different backgrounds, personalities and experiences that shape us into who we are. Because of this, I feel as though it is extremely ignorant of a person to think that others should react to situations in the same manner they do. It baffles me even more how people think they can understand situations they have never been in, and then expect other people to treat it in the same way they do.
I have to sit at family dinners and listen to my father talk about faggots, fags, gays and any slur he can think of. He goes on about how they all die from AIDS, have sex constantly, have sex with monkeys, how they are all molesters and any other shit he can come up with. I don't even know how to explain how it feels to have to sit there and listen to that. My mom turns the channel every time a news report comes on about gay marriage or anything related to LGBT news then goes off about hey they don't need to be able to get married, then tries to get me to agree with her. I always have to change the subject to avoid an argument.
I've been followed around in stores, people move to the other sidewalk when I walk by them when its dark, I've had people try and talk to me in slang the second they see me, I have to make sure I'm on my best behavior so people don't get scared away by the big tall angry black man and I've heard the derogatory use of the word nigger multiple times.
I use the words "faggot" and "gay" casually and in a joking fashion. Personally, I am fine with the usage of the words around friends.I can tell pretty well when they are used in a joking fashion and when they are not, I have heard both usages many times. But, I am not going to say "Hey, I like dudes and I say 'faggot' so its totally cool to say it to anyone. If they don't like it they need to grow up" Because it's a very ignorant way of thinking.
I know for a fact that way of thinking does not work because I do not feel the same way about the word "nigger" or "nigga". I don't like hearing it outside, in mumble or around friends of any race and I don't say it. Yes, these things are just "words". But they have different meanings behind them for me. Just as they might have different meanings for another person.
I started to say "faggot" and "gay" because I was terrified of people from school, work or home finding out that I am gay. For me, this was all about making sure I had people to talk to at school, work, and having a place to sleep. I'm sure that if I lived around people that were more accepting I would probably have a different view on all of this. Everyone should take in all of the possibilities when they think they know how people should act about something. How would you feel about this if you were beat up at school for being gay, if you were raped, or discriminated against?
Yes, It's unreasonable to ask a person to completely strike these words from their vocabulary. But at least have the common courtesy to stop using these words around people that are bothered by it.
I wasn't able to read through this thread until now because of was the LAN
Every person has experienced different things in their lives, we all have different backgrounds, personalities and experiences that shape us into who we are. Because of this, I feel as though it is extremely ignorant of a person to think that others should react to situations in the same manner they do. It baffles me even more how people think they can understand situations they have never been in, and then expect other people to treat it in the same way they do.
I have to sit at family dinners and listen to my father talk about faggots, fags, gays and any slur he can think of. He goes on about how they all die from AIDS, have sex constantly, have sex with monkeys, how they are all molesters and any other shit he can come up with. I don't even know how to explain how it feels to have to sit there and listen to that. My mom turns the channel every time a news report comes on about gay marriage or anything related to LGBT news then goes off about hey they don't need to be able to get married, then tries to get me to agree with her. I always have to change the subject to avoid an argument.
I've been followed around in stores, people move to the other sidewalk when I walk by them when its dark, I've had people try and talk to me in slang the second they see me, I have to make sure I'm on my best behavior so people don't get scared away by the big tall angry black man and I've heard the derogatory use of the word nigger multiple times.
I use the words "faggot" and "gay" casually and in a joking fashion. Personally, I am fine with the usage of the words around friends.I can tell pretty well when they are used in a joking fashion and when they are not, I have heard both usages many times. But, I am not going to say "Hey, I like dudes and I say 'faggot' so its totally cool to say it to anyone. If they don't like it they need to grow up" Because it's a very ignorant way of thinking.
I know for a fact that way of thinking does not work because I do not feel the same way about the word "nigger" or "nigga". I don't like hearing it outside, in mumble or around friends of any race and I don't say it. Yes, these things are just "words". But they have different meanings behind them for me. Just as they might have different meanings for another person.
I started to say "faggot" and "gay" because I was terrified of people from school, work or home finding out that I am gay. For me, this was all about making sure I had people to talk to at school, work, and having a place to sleep. I'm sure that if I lived around people that were more accepting I would probably have a different view on all of this. Everyone should take in all of the possibilities when they think they know how people should act about something. How would you feel about this if you were beat up at school for being gay, if you were raped, or discriminated against?
Yes, It's unreasonable to ask a person to completely strike these words from their vocabulary. But at least have the common courtesy to stop using these words around people that are bothered by it.
Every person has experienced different things in their lives, we all have different backgrounds, personalities and experiences that shape us into who we are. Because of this, I feel as though it is extremely ignorant of a person to think that others should react to situations in the same manner they do. It baffles me even more how people think they can understand situations they have never been in, and then expect other people to treat it in the same way they do.
I have to sit at family dinners and listen to my father talk about faggots, fags, gays and any slur he can think of. He goes on about how they all die from AIDS, have sex constantly, have sex with monkeys, how they are all molesters and any other shit he can come up with. I don't even know how to explain how it feels to have to sit there and listen to that. My mom turns the channel every time a news report comes on about gay marriage or anything related to LGBT news then goes off about hey they don't need to be able to get married, then tries to get me to agree with her. I always have to change the subject to avoid an argument.
I've been followed around in stores, people move to the other sidewalk when I walk by them when its dark, I've had people try and talk to me in slang the second they see me, I have to make sure I'm on my best behavior so people don't get scared away by the big tall angry black man and I've heard the derogatory use of the word nigger multiple times.
I use the words "faggot" and "gay" casually and in a joking fashion. Personally, I am fine with the usage of the words around friends.I can tell pretty well when they are used in a joking fashion and when they are not, I have heard both usages many times. But, I am not going to say "Hey, I like dudes and I say 'faggot' so its totally cool to say it to anyone. If they don't like it they need to grow up" Because it's a very ignorant way of thinking.
I know for a fact that way of thinking does not work because I do not feel the same way about the word "nigger" or "nigga". I don't like hearing it outside, in mumble or around friends of any race and I don't say it. Yes, these things are just "words". But they have different meanings behind them for me. Just as they might have different meanings for another person.
I started to say "faggot" and "gay" because I was terrified of people from school, work or home finding out that I am gay. For me, this was all about making sure I had people to talk to at school, work, and having a place to sleep. I'm sure that if I lived around people that were more accepting I would probably have a different view on all of this. Everyone should take in all of the possibilities when they think they know how people should act about something. How would you feel about this if you were beat up at school for being gay, if you were raped, or discriminated against?
Yes, It's unreasonable to ask a person to completely strike these words from their vocabulary. But at least have the common courtesy to stop using these words around people that are bothered by it.
kaceSneakyPolarBearSeems like a day of open discussion on gay rights (NOT on the offensiveness of the word "faggot") would be a lot more beneficial in terms of preventing the ostracism of gay people than a day of silent solidarity with LGBT youth.
I agree with this sentiment. However, it is very difficult for a lot of people to talk about this sort of stuff openly (and not just on an internet forum). LGBT is still an awkward conversation a lot of times (and a hostile one some of the times), especially when you are or think you are or know someone who is lgbt. By all accounts, I wish it wasn't. Still, Day of Silence recognizes this difficulty and allows people to show their support for lgbt individuals such as myself without crossing a bridge they are not ready to cross for whatever reason (and I'll say that they have good reasons).
What we must also realize is that LGBT is already making headlines left and right so it is difficult to keep it out of conversation. I believe that the Day of Silence is becoming rapidly antiquated.
You know kace, I'd say that it's probably a difficult conversation even for those who ARE LGBT (and speaking to one another). I've known a few people that have serious issues touching base on their sexuality in any way, shape, or form. Our society has made such a thing taboo - and we're taught as boys (whether straight or gay at birth) that there is one right way to live.
Whether we believe that to be true is our own prerogative - and it's a prerogative that we're lucky to have in a free society.
[quote=kace][quote=SneakyPolarBear]Seems like a day of open discussion on gay rights (NOT on the offensiveness of the word "faggot") would be a lot more beneficial in terms of preventing the ostracism of gay people than a day of silent solidarity with LGBT youth.[/quote]
I agree with this sentiment. However, it is very difficult for a lot of people to talk about this sort of stuff openly (and not just on an internet forum). LGBT is still an awkward conversation a lot of times (and a hostile one some of the times), especially when you are or think you are or know someone who is lgbt. By all accounts, I wish it wasn't. Still, Day of Silence recognizes this difficulty and allows people to show their support for lgbt individuals such as myself without crossing a bridge they are not ready to cross for whatever reason (and I'll say that they have good reasons).
What we must also realize is that LGBT is already making headlines left and right so it is difficult to keep it out of conversation. I believe that the Day of Silence is becoming rapidly antiquated.[/quote]
You know kace, I'd say that it's probably a difficult conversation even for those who ARE LGBT (and speaking to one another). I've known a few people that have serious issues touching base on their sexuality in any way, shape, or form. Our society has made such a thing taboo - and we're taught as boys (whether straight or gay at birth) that there is one right way to live.
Whether we believe that to be true is our own prerogative - and it's a prerogative that we're lucky to have in a free society.
I agree with this sentiment. However, it is very difficult for a lot of people to talk about this sort of stuff openly (and not just on an internet forum). LGBT is still an awkward conversation a lot of times (and a hostile one some of the times), especially when you are or think you are or know someone who is lgbt. By all accounts, I wish it wasn't. Still, Day of Silence recognizes this difficulty and allows people to show their support for lgbt individuals such as myself without crossing a bridge they are not ready to cross for whatever reason (and I'll say that they have good reasons).
What we must also realize is that LGBT is already making headlines left and right so it is difficult to keep it out of conversation. I believe that the Day of Silence is becoming rapidly antiquated.[/quote]
You know kace, I'd say that it's probably a difficult conversation even for those who ARE LGBT (and speaking to one another). I've known a few people that have serious issues touching base on their sexuality in any way, shape, or form. Our society has made such a thing taboo - and we're taught as boys (whether straight or gay at birth) that there is one right way to live.
Whether we believe that to be true is our own prerogative - and it's a prerogative that we're lucky to have in a free society.
stop taking words seriously
words on their own do nothing
examine the context in which they're used
and if they're used in a hurtful or offensive fashion, call the user out for being an idiotic motherfucker
but if they're not, leave them alone
words themselves are harmless without harmful context or intent
and it is the sentiment behind their use that should be verboten, not the words themselves
this applies to all profanity and indeed all language
stop taking words seriously
words on their own do nothing
examine the context in which they're used
and if they're used in a hurtful or offensive fashion, call the user out for being an idiotic motherfucker
but if they're not, leave them alone
words themselves are harmless without harmful context or intent
and it is the sentiment behind their use that should be verboten, not the words themselves
this applies to all profanity and indeed all language
words on their own do nothing
examine the context in which they're used
and if they're used in a hurtful or offensive fashion, call the user out for being an idiotic motherfucker
but if they're not, leave them alone
words themselves are harmless without harmful context or intent
and it is the sentiment behind their use that should be verboten, not the words themselves
this applies to all profanity and indeed all language
TaggerungThe conclusion I wish we could have come to 6 pages ago.
All I'm hoping for is some common courtesy. The attitude of throwing around words that harm people in a humorous manner and justifying it by thinking people shouldn't be offended and that it's their fault or that there is a double standard and that those words are no worse than other words seems to me to be incredibly close-minded and callous. Seeing the diversity of experience and attitude (which, btw, I'm really glad Tagg brought up) I just don't understand why some people don't choose their words more carefully, especially when it's just unnecessary.
I want to earnestly thank everyone who replied to this thread, whether it was June, Marmaduke, Tagg, Pudding, EBF, Munce_, SF, Bloodsire, GGGLGY, ghosT7ayama, mesr, or the countless others that participated, whether it was a troll response or not. I'm glad we could have an intelligent conversation about this without this thread being so bad it had to be locked (I was genuinely worried.)
[quote=Taggerung]The conclusion I wish we could have come to 6 pages ago.[/quote]
All I'm hoping for is some common courtesy. The attitude of throwing around words that harm people in a humorous manner and justifying it by thinking people shouldn't be offended and that it's their fault or that there is a double standard and that those words are no worse than other words seems to me to be incredibly close-minded and callous. Seeing the diversity of experience and attitude (which, btw, I'm really glad Tagg brought up) I just don't understand why some people don't choose their words more carefully, especially when it's just unnecessary.
I want to earnestly thank everyone who replied to this thread, whether it was June, Marmaduke, Tagg, Pudding, EBF, Munce_, SF, Bloodsire, GGGLGY, ghos[u][b]T[/b][/u]7ayama, mesr, or the countless others that participated, whether it was a troll response or not. I'm glad we could have an intelligent conversation about this without this thread being so bad it had to be locked (I was genuinely worried.)
All I'm hoping for is some common courtesy. The attitude of throwing around words that harm people in a humorous manner and justifying it by thinking people shouldn't be offended and that it's their fault or that there is a double standard and that those words are no worse than other words seems to me to be incredibly close-minded and callous. Seeing the diversity of experience and attitude (which, btw, I'm really glad Tagg brought up) I just don't understand why some people don't choose their words more carefully, especially when it's just unnecessary.
I want to earnestly thank everyone who replied to this thread, whether it was June, Marmaduke, Tagg, Pudding, EBF, Munce_, SF, Bloodsire, GGGLGY, ghos[u][b]T[/b][/u]7ayama, mesr, or the countless others that participated, whether it was a troll response or not. I'm glad we could have an intelligent conversation about this without this thread being so bad it had to be locked (I was genuinely worried.)
This thread scares me, I feel like if I read the whole thing I'll go crazy. Tagg's post is good though. That being said I'm pretty sure most people use the word faggot when someone is just being annoying or as a general insult (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Fcja4WFFzDw). Bloodsire's post is good too.
This thread scares me, I feel like if I read the whole thing I'll go crazy. Tagg's post is good though. That being said I'm pretty sure most people use the word faggot when someone is just being annoying or as a general insult (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Fcja4WFFzDw). Bloodsire's post is good too.
mso im assuming your protest of silence opened the eyes of everybody who disagreed with you?
how is stopping talking to ignorant/homophobic people really going to get them to change?
please explain how in any situation besides a middle school this works
Sorry you seem to have missed the point. It's an expression of empathy. The intent is for one to take a vow of silence in order to experience what it feels like to be afraid of coming out. In order to understand the experience of ostracization more completely. It has nothing to do with not speaking to homophobic individuals. I actually think it's a very well-intended movement and it was cool being a part of it. Really made me think about what it would be like to have a secret like that in me and feel unable/ not be willing to share it with anyone in my life. Really made me feel blessed.
[quote=m]so im assuming your protest of silence opened the eyes of everybody who disagreed with you?
how is stopping talking to ignorant/homophobic people really going to get them to change?
please explain how in any situation besides a middle school this works[/quote]
Sorry you seem to have missed the point. It's an expression of empathy. The intent is for one to take a vow of silence in order to experience what it feels like to be afraid of coming out. In order to understand the experience of ostracization more completely. It has nothing to do with not speaking to homophobic individuals. I actually think it's a very well-intended movement and it was cool being a part of it. Really made me think about what it would be like to have a secret like that in me and feel unable/ not be willing to share it with anyone in my life. Really made me feel blessed.
how is stopping talking to ignorant/homophobic people really going to get them to change?
please explain how in any situation besides a middle school this works[/quote]
Sorry you seem to have missed the point. It's an expression of empathy. The intent is for one to take a vow of silence in order to experience what it feels like to be afraid of coming out. In order to understand the experience of ostracization more completely. It has nothing to do with not speaking to homophobic individuals. I actually think it's a very well-intended movement and it was cool being a part of it. Really made me think about what it would be like to have a secret like that in me and feel unable/ not be willing to share it with anyone in my life. Really made me feel blessed.
June, regardless of whether or not the word "faggot" is equal in offensiveness to other insults, it is still commonly accepted as derogatory to the extreme when used in an attempt to offend.
Moreover, almost every other "generic" insult (e.g. ugly, dumb, or weak) typically is linked to a semi-optional aspect of a person. Very few people are any of those three things and actually UNABLE to do something to mitigate or erase it, and for those few people these insults carry a certain extra weight (calling a mentally handicapped person a "retard" with the implication that they are stupid seems to me far more offensive than calling a normally functioning person a "retard")
My point, is that the insults "faggot" or "nigger" or "cunt" (the ones I believe to be popularly accepted as the most offensive, at least when compared to the previous examples I gave) target some undeniable and deep-rooted aspect of a person. In the vast majority of cases, gay people remain gay and black people remain black. Being a "faggot" or a "nigger" is something that no one can change about themselves because these words vilify something that simply cannot be altered. They attack key parts of one's identity, effectively targeting the person him/herself, rather than some subpar trait of theirs.
Ultimately it is up to each individual person to understand the context, inflection, and audience of their own language and attempt to spread acceptance rather than bigotry in the world.
June, regardless of whether or not the word "faggot" is equal in offensiveness to other insults, it is still commonly accepted as derogatory to the extreme when used in an attempt to offend.
Moreover, almost every other "generic" insult (e.g. ugly, dumb, or weak) typically is linked to a semi-optional aspect of a person. Very few people are any of those three things and actually UNABLE to do something to mitigate or erase it, and for those few people these insults carry a certain extra weight (calling a mentally handicapped person a "retard" with the implication that they are stupid seems to me far more offensive than calling a normally functioning person a "retard")
My point, is that the insults "faggot" or "nigger" or "cunt" (the ones I believe to be popularly accepted as the most offensive, at least when compared to the previous examples I gave) target some undeniable and deep-rooted aspect of a person. In the vast majority of cases, gay people remain gay and black people remain black. Being a "faggot" or a "nigger" is something that no one can change about themselves because these words vilify something that simply cannot be altered. They attack key parts of one's identity, effectively targeting the person him/herself, rather than some subpar trait of theirs.
Ultimately it is up to each individual person to understand the context, inflection, and audience of their own language and attempt to spread acceptance rather than bigotry in the world.
Moreover, almost every other "generic" insult (e.g. ugly, dumb, or weak) typically is linked to a semi-optional aspect of a person. Very few people are any of those three things and actually UNABLE to do something to mitigate or erase it, and for those few people these insults carry a certain extra weight (calling a mentally handicapped person a "retard" with the implication that they are stupid seems to me far more offensive than calling a normally functioning person a "retard")
My point, is that the insults "faggot" or "nigger" or "cunt" (the ones I believe to be popularly accepted as the most offensive, at least when compared to the previous examples I gave) target some undeniable and deep-rooted aspect of a person. In the vast majority of cases, gay people remain gay and black people remain black. Being a "faggot" or a "nigger" is something that no one can change about themselves because these words vilify something that simply cannot be altered. They attack key parts of one's identity, effectively targeting the person him/herself, rather than some subpar trait of theirs.
Ultimately it is up to each individual person to understand the context, inflection, and audience of their own language and attempt to spread acceptance rather than bigotry in the world.
If its not any of these: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vbZhpf3sQxQ&list=PL6CMUoRv3RE4uR6Y68_CXPbtUUQSZ2qnz&index=13
then there really shouldnt be any issue with it
More from the man George Carlin on RAPE:
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If your calling somebody a faggot or saying you got raped its usually a joke or insult towards someone who hasn't been raped or isnt gay. Why do people feel the need to be offended by that? If its a joke, Lighten up will ya.
If its not any of these: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vbZhpf3sQxQ&list=PL6CMUoRv3RE4uR6Y68_CXPbtUUQSZ2qnz&index=13
then there really shouldnt be any issue with it
More from the man George Carlin on RAPE:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=D_5fqvBZnA0&list=PL6CMUoRv3RE4uR6Y68_CXPbtUUQSZ2qnz<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<
If your calling somebody a faggot or saying you got raped its usually a joke or insult towards someone who hasn't been raped or isnt gay. Why do people feel the need to be offended by that? If its a joke, Lighten up will ya.
then there really shouldnt be any issue with it
More from the man George Carlin on RAPE:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=D_5fqvBZnA0&list=PL6CMUoRv3RE4uR6Y68_CXPbtUUQSZ2qnz<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<
If your calling somebody a faggot or saying you got raped its usually a joke or insult towards someone who hasn't been raped or isnt gay. Why do people feel the need to be offended by that? If its a joke, Lighten up will ya.
I was beat up in school for being gay. I'm not even gay, but the label was placed on me. Because I'm incredibly unsuccessful with women, my mother asks me every other week if I'm gay. And of course, because of my own views on it, it's never bothered me. It was obnoxious and chiding, but I just didn't care. I still say faggot all of the time, not to talk about gay people, but something or some one that shouldn't be around, which is what the words connotation was to me. Gay is simply "uncool" in my book. And that's how I use the words.
Unless you're talking about being gay as in homosexual, in that case, i might slip in a few gays.
I was beat up in school for being gay. I'm not even gay, but the label was placed on me. Because I'm incredibly unsuccessful with women, my mother asks me every other week if I'm gay. And of course, because of my own views on it, it's never bothered me. It was obnoxious and chiding, but I just didn't care. I still say faggot all of the time, not to talk about gay people, but something or some one that shouldn't be around, which is what the words connotation was to me. Gay is simply "uncool" in my book. And that's how I use the words.
Unless you're talking about being gay as in homosexual, in that case, i might slip in a few gays.
Unless you're talking about being gay as in homosexual, in that case, i might slip in a few gays.
DrPloxoGay is simply "uncool" in my book.
And what some of us are trying to say is that using "gay" or "faggot" as a synonym for "bad" is uncool.
People don't say "that play is so black" (implying that black is synonymous with bad) in the same way they would say "that play is so gay" (implying that gay is synonymous with bad), so we're just asking for some empathy.
2sy_morphiendObviously my logic is lacking. This coming from the guy who made his own post with his own examples of "arguments" in the thread (great job removing any support those arguers added) and accused every gay person in the thread that said they weren't offended by "faggot" of trivializing the reactions of literally every gay person on the planet.
A reasonable statement: "I am a gay person who is not offended by the word 'faggot'."
A less reasonable statement: "I am a gay person who is not offended by the word 'faggot,' and therefore everyone else should quit whining."
My example refers to the second statement, which does trivialize other people's opinions.
2sy_morphiendQuit +fragging yourself and go cry on your fucking tumblr
I don't even
[quote=DrPloxo]Gay is simply "uncool" in my book.[/quote]
And what some of us are trying to say is that using "gay" or "faggot" as a synonym for "bad" is uncool.
People don't say "that play is so black" (implying that black is synonymous with bad) in the same way they would say "that play is so gay" (implying that gay is synonymous with bad), so we're just asking for some empathy.
[quote=2sy_morphiend]Obviously my logic is lacking. This coming from the guy who made his own post with his own examples of "arguments" in the thread (great job removing any support those arguers added) and accused every gay person in the thread that said they weren't offended by "faggot" of trivializing the reactions of literally every gay person on the planet.[/quote]
A reasonable statement: "I am a gay person who is not offended by the word 'faggot'."
A less reasonable statement: "I am a gay person who is not offended by the word 'faggot,' and therefore everyone else should quit whining."
My example refers to the second statement, which does trivialize other people's opinions.
[quote=2sy_morphiend]Quit +fragging yourself and [b]go cry on your fucking tumblr[/b][/quote]
I don't even
And what some of us are trying to say is that using "gay" or "faggot" as a synonym for "bad" is uncool.
People don't say "that play is so black" (implying that black is synonymous with bad) in the same way they would say "that play is so gay" (implying that gay is synonymous with bad), so we're just asking for some empathy.
[quote=2sy_morphiend]Obviously my logic is lacking. This coming from the guy who made his own post with his own examples of "arguments" in the thread (great job removing any support those arguers added) and accused every gay person in the thread that said they weren't offended by "faggot" of trivializing the reactions of literally every gay person on the planet.[/quote]
A reasonable statement: "I am a gay person who is not offended by the word 'faggot'."
A less reasonable statement: "I am a gay person who is not offended by the word 'faggot,' and therefore everyone else should quit whining."
My example refers to the second statement, which does trivialize other people's opinions.
[quote=2sy_morphiend]Quit +fragging yourself and [b]go cry on your fucking tumblr[/b][/quote]
I don't even
I think the biggest issue here is that this is the internet we're talking about. And on the internet, no one gives a fuck what your opinions are. If you're offended by some word for whatever reason, people will simply ignore you and continue using said word. Attempting to strike a word from the English language or label it "obscene" will usually only help spread the popularity of the word.
Plus the fact that definitions of words are constantly changing and that the specific definition of words changes based on the situation they're used in makes me kind of give up on attempting to classify words as "good" or "bad". Gay and faggot have completely different meanings now than they did just 50 years ago, or even just across the border in another country.
I can understand being unsettled by someone's language, but making a big deal out of it and trying to change someone's behaviors will almost always end in failure without extreme conditioning.
Maybe it's because I have a lot of experience being the target of verbal abuse that I've become desensitized to such language and learned to ignore it. In my experience, making a big deal about specific words will only encourage other people to use them more.
I think the biggest issue here is that this is the internet we're talking about. And on the internet, no one gives a fuck what your opinions are. If you're offended by some word for whatever reason, people will simply ignore you and continue using said word. Attempting to strike a word from the English language or label it "obscene" will usually only help spread the popularity of the word.
Plus the fact that definitions of words are constantly changing and that the specific definition of words changes based on the situation they're used in makes me kind of give up on attempting to classify words as "good" or "bad". Gay and faggot have completely different meanings now than they did just 50 years ago, or even just across the border in another country.
I can understand being unsettled by someone's language, but making a big deal out of it and trying to change someone's behaviors will almost always end in failure without extreme conditioning.
Maybe it's because I have a lot of experience being the target of verbal abuse that I've become desensitized to such language and learned to ignore it. In my experience, making a big deal about specific words will only encourage other people to use them more.
Plus the fact that definitions of words are constantly changing and that the specific definition of words changes based on the situation they're used in makes me kind of give up on attempting to classify words as "good" or "bad". Gay and faggot have completely different meanings now than they did just 50 years ago, or even just across the border in another country.
I can understand being unsettled by someone's language, but making a big deal out of it and trying to change someone's behaviors will almost always end in failure without extreme conditioning.
Maybe it's because I have a lot of experience being the target of verbal abuse that I've become desensitized to such language and learned to ignore it. In my experience, making a big deal about specific words will only encourage other people to use them more.
stop whining around all butthurt because someone said some words. if you wanna cry about your feelings and show what good of a person you are keep that shit on tumblr or whatever.
if sponsors don't want it on stream sure that's their decision but you can't tell me or anyone else what I can and can't say in my mumble.
stop whining around all butthurt because someone said some words. if you wanna cry about your feelings and show what good of a person you are keep that shit on tumblr or whatever.
if sponsors don't want it on stream sure that's their decision but you can't tell me or anyone else what I can and can't say in my mumble.
if sponsors don't want it on stream sure that's their decision but you can't tell me or anyone else what I can and can't say in my mumble.
I'm super creative in my insults. I use kindergarden insults. So like right now all you guys and gals are a bunch of doo-doo heads. >:(
Fyi, wearing a gigantic LGBT and not talking (which is hard). =) I love all of you guys who supports by not saying faggot or raped. Much appreciated.
I'm super creative in my insults. I use kindergarden insults. So like right now all you guys and gals are a bunch of doo-doo heads. >:(
Fyi, wearing a gigantic LGBT and not talking (which is hard). =) I love all of you guys who supports by not saying faggot or raped. Much appreciated.
Fyi, wearing a gigantic LGBT and not talking (which is hard). =) I love all of you guys who supports by not saying faggot or raped. Much appreciated.
I for one only insult people using "shitlord" and "mouthbreather" because I can't think of any other words when I'm put on the spot
I for one only insult people using "shitlord" and "mouthbreather" because I can't think of any other words when I'm put on the spot
Posting a comedian's routine doesn't really add anything to the discussion, especially when it's been posted a few times before. That's just it, it's a routine. It's meant to be on the edge and funny. Louis CK doesn't go around calling people faggots in his day to day encounters with other people, saying they shouldn't be offended because they're just "being a faggot."
Posting a comedian's routine doesn't really add anything to the discussion, especially when it's been posted a few times before. That's just it, it's a routine. It's meant to be on the edge and funny. Louis CK doesn't go around calling people faggots in his day to day encounters with other people, saying they shouldn't be offended because they're just "being a faggot."
I know many of you don't know what it's like to be a parent yet, but it will really change your whole world. I'm no longer just responsible for what I say, but I'm responsible for what my children think and say. And it saddens me that kids these days still use these words we used in ignorant error when I was growing up.
When I read what Tagg wrote my heart drops, to know how many people have to live through that situation at your own family table.. I'm so sorry you had to live through that.
I've had a few friends commit suicide in my travels and almost always it was because they weren't accepted by their family for their sexual orientation. One particular friend comes to mind who was as a very famous suicide case, Bobby Steele, because he committed suicide mimicking Kurt cobain, his hero. It's tough to even think about now as I write this. I played video games with him in Germany every day at lunch break because he lived behind the base. I knew he was tormented by his religious family who would never accept him for who he was. If you have the time, it's worth the read. Cause even long after his death his family still believed "demons" from the rock music killed their son, who they still claimed was straight...
I know many of you don't know what it's like to be a parent yet, but it will really change your whole world. I'm no longer just responsible for what I say, but I'm responsible for what my children think and say. And it saddens me that kids these days still use these words we used in ignorant error when I was growing up.
When I read what Tagg wrote my heart drops, to know how many people have to live through that situation at your own family table.. I'm so sorry you had to live through that.
I've had a few friends commit suicide in my travels and almost always it was because they weren't accepted by their family for their sexual orientation. One particular friend comes to mind who was as a very famous suicide case, Bobby Steele, because he committed suicide mimicking Kurt cobain, his hero. It's tough to even think about now as I write this. I played video games with him in Germany every day at lunch break because he lived behind the base. I knew he was tormented by his religious family who would never accept him for who he was. If you have the time, it's worth the read. Cause even long after his death his family still believed "demons" from the rock music killed their son, who they still claimed was straight...
http://www.youth-suicide.com/gay-bisexual/news/steele.htm
When I read what Tagg wrote my heart drops, to know how many people have to live through that situation at your own family table.. I'm so sorry you had to live through that.
I've had a few friends commit suicide in my travels and almost always it was because they weren't accepted by their family for their sexual orientation. One particular friend comes to mind who was as a very famous suicide case, Bobby Steele, because he committed suicide mimicking Kurt cobain, his hero. It's tough to even think about now as I write this. I played video games with him in Germany every day at lunch break because he lived behind the base. I knew he was tormented by his religious family who would never accept him for who he was. If you have the time, it's worth the read. Cause even long after his death his family still believed "demons" from the rock music killed their son, who they still claimed was straight...
http://www.youth-suicide.com/gay-bisexual/news/steele.htm
People who say that racist/homophobic people are a laughable minority are unfortunately very, very wrong. I live in Indiana and deal with racists and homophobes every single day. Hell, I work with some (and that's not something I'm proud of as a middle school teacher). I know from personal experience that there are hotbeds of bigotry all around the country.
Bigotry is still a very serious problem in this country, and marginalizing it because you personally don't deal with it is pretty dumb. There are just some words that are not respectful. People have different limits when it comes to those words, and I would hope that most of the people in this community are intelligent enough to not use potentially disrespectful language when talking with people whose background they don't know. If nobody in your mumble objects to you using coarse language, then whatever, go for it. Just know that there are plenty of people out there who will have less respect for you because of it (and I know that you don't care about earning the respect of random strangers on the internet).
People who say that racist/homophobic people are a laughable minority are unfortunately very, very wrong. I live in Indiana and deal with racists and homophobes every single day. Hell, I work with some (and that's not something I'm proud of as a middle school teacher). I know from personal experience that there are hotbeds of bigotry all around the country.
Bigotry is still a very serious problem in this country, and marginalizing it because you personally don't deal with it is pretty dumb. There are just some words that are not respectful. People have different limits when it comes to those words, and I would hope that most of the people in this community are intelligent enough to not use potentially disrespectful language when talking with people whose background they don't know. If nobody in your mumble objects to you using coarse language, then whatever, go for it. Just know that there are plenty of people out there who will have less respect for you because of it (and I know that you don't care about earning the respect of random strangers on the internet).
Bigotry is still a very serious problem in this country, and marginalizing it because you personally don't deal with it is pretty dumb. There are just some words that are not respectful. People have different limits when it comes to those words, and I would hope that most of the people in this community are intelligent enough to not use potentially disrespectful language when talking with people whose background they don't know. If nobody in your mumble objects to you using coarse language, then whatever, go for it. Just know that there are plenty of people out there who will have less respect for you because of it (and I know that you don't care about earning the respect of random strangers on the internet).
I don't understand why people have an issue with the word raped like they do faggot or nigger. People have an issue with those words because people actually get called them in a derogatory manner and are made fun of using them, right? Im pretty sure almost nobody has ever made fun of somebody for actually being raped. I can see how the word raped could bring back bad memories for somebody that has actually been raped but its still completely different than the other words.
Everything doesn't need to be politically correct. People shouldn't completely refrain from saying a word around friends or teammates because it might offend someone else. I don't understand how calling a friend a faggot can be an issue to anybody. I actually have a much bigger problem with people that don't want the word used at all than with people that use it amongst friends. I can see how calling somebody you don't know a faggot could be a problem but if people want to use the words amongst friends what is the problem? I do have an issue with the word faggot when it is used in the actual gay sense but I wouldn't complain about it if somebody called me one in that manner. I might be offended but I wouldn't try to stop them from using the word ever.
If this campaign thing is aimed more at kids then I understand, but eventually you have to learn to deal with people and get thicker skin or else like others said you will have a hard time in life.
I don't understand why people have an issue with the word raped like they do faggot or nigger. People have an issue with those words because people actually get called them in a derogatory manner and are made fun of using them, right? Im pretty sure almost nobody has ever made fun of somebody for actually being raped. I can see how the word raped could bring back bad memories for somebody that has actually been raped but its still completely different than the other words.
Everything doesn't need to be politically correct. People shouldn't completely refrain from saying a word around friends or teammates because it might offend someone else. I don't understand how calling a friend a faggot can be an issue to anybody. I actually have a much bigger problem with people that don't want the word used at all than with people that use it amongst friends. I can see how calling somebody you don't know a faggot could be a problem but if people want to use the words amongst friends what is the problem? I do have an issue with the word faggot when it is used in the actual gay sense but I wouldn't complain about it if somebody called me one in that manner. I might be offended but I wouldn't try to stop them from using the word ever.
If this campaign thing is aimed more at kids then I understand, but eventually you have to learn to deal with people and get thicker skin or else like others said you will have a hard time in life.
Everything doesn't need to be politically correct. People shouldn't completely refrain from saying a word around friends or teammates because it might offend someone else. I don't understand how calling a friend a faggot can be an issue to anybody. I actually have a much bigger problem with people that don't want the word used at all than with people that use it amongst friends. I can see how calling somebody you don't know a faggot could be a problem but if people want to use the words amongst friends what is the problem? I do have an issue with the word faggot when it is used in the actual gay sense but I wouldn't complain about it if somebody called me one in that manner. I might be offended but I wouldn't try to stop them from using the word ever.
If this campaign thing is aimed more at kids then I understand, but eventually you have to learn to deal with people and get thicker skin or else like others said you will have a hard time in life.
If you think that everyone has reasonable view on rape and it's victims, go take a look at Reddit (or pretty much any other user-run website, for that matter). In a better world, rape victims wouldn't be ostracized, but this isn't that better world. It happens, and it's fucking terrible.
And yes, this campaign is focused towards youth. There's a massive difference in making gay jokes with a self-realized homosexual adult, and making those same jokes with a 16 year old homosexual that hasn't been able to come into their own yet. Same with sexual jokes, racial jokes, disability jokes, and any others you can think of.
If you think that everyone has reasonable view on rape and it's victims, go take a look at Reddit (or pretty much any other user-run website, for that matter). In a better world, rape victims wouldn't be ostracized, but this isn't that better world. It happens, and it's fucking terrible.
And yes, this campaign is focused towards youth. There's a massive difference in making gay jokes with a self-realized homosexual adult, and making those same jokes with a 16 year old homosexual that hasn't been able to come into their own yet. Same with sexual jokes, racial jokes, disability jokes, and any others you can think of.
And yes, this campaign is focused towards youth. There's a massive difference in making gay jokes with a self-realized homosexual adult, and making those same jokes with a 16 year old homosexual that hasn't been able to come into their own yet. Same with sexual jokes, racial jokes, disability jokes, and any others you can think of.
kaceI'd just be appreciative if we could get away from the whole gay=bad thing. We have a lot of words that mean bad. However, we also have a lot of words that mean good. For example, chocolate. No one will say that "Your jumps are like chocolate" if they are trying to shit talk. Or even words that are neutral. "You jump like a mailman." That just doesn't make sense. I want it to get to a point where if someone says "you jump like a faggot" people are like "that just doesn't make sense."
This is pretty much the most important and valid argument, and one nobody seems to understand when they say "don't be offended".
A lot of people have said "if we ban it, it gives people who use it more power"; this is just ridiculous. The only way this becomes a truth is if we turned words like "faggot" around to be positive things - you don't take negativity away with more negativity.
To the people who haven't experienced what it means to be hurt by these words (and this includes gay people who aren't offended when a hiding spot is "gay"), you should probably learn that your personal experience is never, ever going to be the same as someone else's.
The biggest argument in favor of tossing these words around seems to be "it shouldn't bother people because I _______" - what makes you the authority on what shouldn't be offensive, or what other people should or shouldn't feel? You ask for the freedom to say whatever you want, but then you say that other people don't deserve to be offended by what you say? If it's their choice to be offended by certain things, then it's your choice to be offensive - whether you mean it or not.
The point is, you have the choice to either say something that's potentially offensive and has negative connotations, or simply use a different word (which, really, how hard is that?) to express yourself. It really shouldn't be this difficult to understand.
[quote=kace]I'd just be appreciative if we could get away from the whole gay=bad thing. We have a lot of words that mean bad. However, we also have a lot of words that mean good. For example, chocolate. No one will say that "Your jumps are like chocolate" if they are trying to shit talk. Or even words that are neutral. "You jump like a mailman." That just doesn't make sense. I want it to get to a point where if someone says "you jump like a faggot" people are like "that just doesn't make sense."[/quote]
This is pretty much the most important and valid argument, and one nobody seems to understand when they say "don't be offended".
A lot of people have said "if we ban it, it gives people who use it more power"; this is just ridiculous. The only way this becomes a truth is if we turned words like "faggot" around to be [i]positive[/i] things - you don't take negativity away with more negativity.
To the people who haven't experienced what it means to be hurt by these words (and this includes gay people who aren't offended when a hiding spot is "gay"), you should probably learn that your personal experience is never, ever going to be the same as someone else's.
The biggest argument in favor of tossing these words around seems to be "it shouldn't bother people because [b]I[/b] _______" - what makes you the authority on what shouldn't be offensive, or what other people should or shouldn't feel? You ask for the freedom to say whatever you want, but then you say that other people don't deserve to be offended by what you say? If it's their choice to be offended by certain things, then it's [i]your[/i] choice to be offensive - whether you mean it or not.
The point is, you have the choice to either say something that's potentially offensive and has negative connotations, or simply use a different word (which, really, how hard is that?) to express yourself. It really shouldn't be this difficult to understand.
This is pretty much the most important and valid argument, and one nobody seems to understand when they say "don't be offended".
A lot of people have said "if we ban it, it gives people who use it more power"; this is just ridiculous. The only way this becomes a truth is if we turned words like "faggot" around to be [i]positive[/i] things - you don't take negativity away with more negativity.
To the people who haven't experienced what it means to be hurt by these words (and this includes gay people who aren't offended when a hiding spot is "gay"), you should probably learn that your personal experience is never, ever going to be the same as someone else's.
The biggest argument in favor of tossing these words around seems to be "it shouldn't bother people because [b]I[/b] _______" - what makes you the authority on what shouldn't be offensive, or what other people should or shouldn't feel? You ask for the freedom to say whatever you want, but then you say that other people don't deserve to be offended by what you say? If it's their choice to be offended by certain things, then it's [i]your[/i] choice to be offensive - whether you mean it or not.
The point is, you have the choice to either say something that's potentially offensive and has negative connotations, or simply use a different word (which, really, how hard is that?) to express yourself. It really shouldn't be this difficult to understand.
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