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[quote=dingo]scout players pitting soldiers and demos against each other[/quote]
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Wicked02 https://clips.twitch.tv/LovelySincereCrabFunRun-C79jKqxRnfTUjFIv whats the counterplay to this?
Have your demo loch n load airpipe him
[quote=Wicked02][url=https://clips.twitch.tv/LovelySincereCrabFunRun-C79jKqxRnfTUjFIv] https://clips.twitch.tv/LovelySincereCrabFunRun-C79jKqxRnfTUjFIv[/url] whats the counterplay to this?[/quote]
Have your demo loch n load airpipe him
Have your demo loch n load airpipe him
rollers are fun, and it takes away the headache of deciding if I want them or ridiculous cross map spam pipes if the weapon gets banned, so take it away.
rollers are fun, and it takes away the headache of deciding if I want them or ridiculous cross map spam pipes if the weapon gets banned, so take it away.
saxophoneon the real tho, it makes playing against (and i assume as) demo much more boring when there is no counterplay or punish meaning the lnl user can safely spam 100 dmg footballs from almost anywhere in a fight
this is especially an issue on larger maps where the demo becomes encouraged to just throw out 100 dmg proj from sniper range
Please don't ever assume I need lochnload again https://youtu.be/_a-uGM9DgmQ?si=ykiOhndJwtR-tGog
[quote=saxophone]on the real tho, it makes playing against (and i assume as) demo much more boring when there is no counterplay or punish meaning the lnl user can safely spam 100 dmg footballs from almost anywhere in a fight
this is especially an issue on larger maps where the demo becomes encouraged to just throw out 100 dmg proj from sniper range[/quote]
Please don't ever assume I need lochnload again https://youtu.be/_a-uGM9DgmQ?si=ykiOhndJwtR-tGog
this is especially an issue on larger maps where the demo becomes encouraged to just throw out 100 dmg proj from sniper range[/quote]
Please don't ever assume I need lochnload again https://youtu.be/_a-uGM9DgmQ?si=ykiOhndJwtR-tGog
ETF2L has both MG and LNL banned and I think everyone has been satisfied since said bans, I see no reason why market gardener isn't banned in RGL but understand why loch n load might be a bit controversial and why people might be split on it. For weapons that need more of an in depth discussion on ban / no ban because the way they affect gameplay is more indirect than eating BS damage there was an argument, among others, that much less weapons are banned in NA (so we should just bite the bullet and keep unbanned). My suggestion to you guys, and something etf2l has been better at recently was admin communication, there was a meeting with the top teams' leaders and admins and an open discussion was held about weapon bans / plugins, and then the community (outside of prem as well) was polled on the points of discussion. What would also be cool, although hard to do, would be syncing RGL and ETF2L configs more, this game is small AF and I feel like deviating from each other more and more decreases the already very very small chances of an international LAN or tournament.
p.s. i dont see how tftv thread will solve anything, surely you guys have a way of talking to the admin team or something, its not like this is the NBA or something. these ppl shouldnt be unreachable theres like 100 people playing this game
ETF2L has both MG and LNL banned and I think everyone has been satisfied since said bans, I see no reason why market gardener isn't banned in RGL but understand why loch n load might be a bit controversial and why people might be split on it. For weapons that need more of an in depth discussion on ban / no ban because the way they affect gameplay is more indirect than eating BS damage there was an argument, among others, that much less weapons are banned in NA (so we should just bite the bullet and keep unbanned). My suggestion to you guys, and something etf2l has been better at recently was [b]admin communication[/b], there was a meeting with the top teams' leaders and admins and an open discussion was held about weapon bans / plugins, and then the community (outside of prem as well) was polled on the points of discussion. What would also be cool, although hard to do, would be syncing RGL and ETF2L configs more, this game is small AF and I feel like deviating from each other more and more decreases the already very very small chances of an international LAN or tournament.
p.s. i dont see how tftv thread will solve anything, surely you guys have a way of talking to the admin team or something, its not like this is the NBA or something. these ppl shouldnt be unreachable theres like 100 people playing this game
p.s. i dont see how tftv thread will solve anything, surely you guys have a way of talking to the admin team or something, its not like this is the NBA or something. these ppl shouldnt be unreachable theres like 100 people playing this game
weeb_whackerme too man me too
https://streamable.com/br7l9b
man i miss doing this shit to people
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kslai3V-udk
[quote=weeb_whacker]me too man me too
https://streamable.com/br7l9b[/quote]
man i miss doing this shit to people
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kslai3V-udk
https://streamable.com/br7l9b[/quote]
man i miss doing this shit to people
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kslai3V-udk
buudETF2L has both MG and LNL banned and I think everyone has been satisfied since said bans, I see no reason why market gardener isn't banned in RGL but understand why loch n load might be a bit controversial and why people might be split on it. For weapons that need more of an in depth discussion on ban / no ban because the way they affect gameplay is more indirect than eating BS damage there was an argument, among others, that much less weapons are banned in NA (so we should just bite the bullet and keep unbanned). My suggestion to you guys, and something etf2l has been better at recently was admin communication, there was a meeting with the top teams' leaders and admins and an open discussion was held about weapon bans / plugins, and then the community (outside of prem as well) was polled on the points of discussion. What would also be cool, although hard to do, would be syncing RGL and ETF2L configs more, this game is small AF and I feel like deviating from each other more and more decreases the already very very small chances of an international LAN or tournament.
p.s. i dont see how tftv thread will solve anything, surely you guys have a way of talking to the admin team or something, its not like this is the NBA or something. these ppl shouldnt be unreachable theres like 100 people playing this game
[quote=buud]ETF2L has both MG and LNL banned and I think everyone has been satisfied since said bans, I see no reason why market gardener isn't banned in RGL but understand why loch n load might be a bit controversial and why people might be split on it. For weapons that need more of an in depth discussion on ban / no ban because the way they affect gameplay is more indirect than eating BS damage there was an argument, among others, that much less weapons are banned in NA (so we should just bite the bullet and keep unbanned). My suggestion to you guys, and something etf2l has been better at recently was [b]admin communication[/b], there was a meeting with the top teams' leaders and admins and an open discussion was held about weapon bans / plugins, and then the community (outside of prem as well) was polled on the points of discussion. What would also be cool, although hard to do, would be syncing RGL and ETF2L configs more, this game is small AF and I feel like deviating from each other more and more decreases the already very very small chances of an international LAN or tournament.
p.s. i dont see how tftv thread will solve anything, surely you guys have a way of talking to the admin team or something, its not like this is the NBA or something. these ppl shouldnt be unreachable theres like 100 people playing this game[/quote]
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vP4iY1TtS3s
p.s. i dont see how tftv thread will solve anything, surely you guys have a way of talking to the admin team or something, its not like this is the NBA or something. these ppl shouldnt be unreachable theres like 100 people playing this game[/quote]
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vP4iY1TtS3s
Duel_Clipa bit of a derailment of the thread but why do people see an issue with the mg?
it breaks the ammo management decision making that forms the total foundation of skill at the class, and it adds a powerful play that is almost completely impossible for the opponent to interact with
the loch having pipes that are too fast and hard to see (not enough talk about how its lack of pipe tumble makes visibility awful) for most classes to realistically dodge at any reasonable distance also makes it mostly uninteractable despite doing 100 damage
both weapons also instantly make medic tangibly less fun which should be a pretty big concern in weapon balance. xbow is overpowered and probably breaks the game a bit but it makes medic 2x as fun so its worth it for the state of the game no matter what
[quote=Duel_Clip]a bit of a derailment of the thread but why do people see an issue with the mg?[/quote]
it breaks the ammo management decision making that forms the total foundation of skill at the class, and it adds a powerful play that is almost completely impossible for the opponent to interact with
the loch having pipes that are too fast and hard to see (not enough talk about how its lack of pipe tumble makes visibility awful) for most classes to realistically dodge at any reasonable distance also makes it mostly uninteractable despite doing 100 damage
both weapons also instantly make medic tangibly less fun which should be a pretty big concern in weapon balance. xbow is overpowered and probably breaks the game a bit but it makes medic 2x as fun so its worth it for the state of the game no matter what
it breaks the ammo management decision making that forms the total foundation of skill at the class, and it adds a powerful play that is almost completely impossible for the opponent to interact with
the loch having pipes that are too fast and hard to see (not enough talk about how its lack of pipe tumble makes visibility awful) for most classes to realistically dodge at any reasonable distance also makes it mostly uninteractable despite doing 100 damage
both weapons also instantly make medic tangibly less fun which should be a pretty big concern in weapon balance. xbow is overpowered and probably breaks the game a bit but it makes medic 2x as fun so its worth it for the state of the game no matter what
Correct me if I'm wrong, but we still don't have projectiles pass through teammates right? https://www.teamfortress.tv/63208/is-there-a-single-reason This is the most recent mention of it I can find. Why is this not a thing yet? Can we at least have a new survey or test it or something? I also don't think there was ever a coherent argument against it. Sorry to derail the thread further but this shit is bugging me
Correct me if I'm wrong, but we still don't have projectiles pass through teammates right? https://www.teamfortress.tv/63208/is-there-a-single-reason This is the most recent mention of it I can find. Why is this not a thing yet? Can we at least have a new survey or test it or something? I also don't think there was ever a coherent argument against it. Sorry to derail the thread further but this shit is bugging me
buud i dont see how tftv thread will solve anything, surely you guys have a way of talking to the admin team or something, its not like this is the NBA or something.
this stuff actually does get talked about with the admins, usually a meeting with the admins and invite players occur at the end of each season. the problem stems from players being reluctant to show up to those meetings. threads like aren't bad, in fact id say its good because it brings discussion. (PSA if youre an invite player, attend the meetings!)
wrap assassin is another item i think needs to be banned, crit balling is so broken and theirs no risk involved, obviously similar things and can be about LNL. in my opinion, thats what separates weapons like LNL and wrap assassin from the spoon.
[quote=buud] i dont see how tftv thread will solve anything, surely you guys have a way of talking to the admin team or something, its not like this is the NBA or something.[/quote]
this stuff actually does get talked about with the admins, usually a meeting with the admins and invite players occur at the end of each season. the problem stems from players being reluctant to show up to those meetings. threads like aren't bad, in fact id say its good because it brings discussion. (PSA if youre an invite player, attend the meetings!)
wrap assassin is another item i think needs to be banned, crit balling is so broken and theirs no risk involved, obviously similar things and can be about LNL. in my opinion, thats what separates weapons like LNL and wrap assassin from the spoon.
this stuff actually does get talked about with the admins, usually a meeting with the admins and invite players occur at the end of each season. the problem stems from players being reluctant to show up to those meetings. threads like aren't bad, in fact id say its good because it brings discussion. (PSA if youre an invite player, attend the meetings!)
wrap assassin is another item i think needs to be banned, crit balling is so broken and theirs no risk involved, obviously similar things and can be about LNL. in my opinion, thats what separates weapons like LNL and wrap assassin from the spoon.
wait, so we want loch banned because its hard to react to and can do a lot of damage over really long distances, and we want mg banned because it can 1-shot most classes and offers little counterplay?
i swear i've seen this before...
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wait, so we want loch banned because its hard to react to and can do a lot of damage over really long distances, and we want mg banned because it can 1-shot most classes and offers little counterplay?
i swear i've seen this before...
[spoiler][img]https://wiki.teamfortress.com/w/images/thumb/8/8f/Sniper.png/250px-Sniper.png[/img][/spoiler]
i swear i've seen this before...
[spoiler][img]https://wiki.teamfortress.com/w/images/thumb/8/8f/Sniper.png/250px-Sniper.png[/img][/spoiler]
hey man all im gonna say is, demo has loch, scout has wrap assassin, sniper exists
what does soldier get(that doesnt put him in direct line of danger but gives extreme reward)
oh wait! its banned!
hey man all im gonna say is, demo has loch, scout has wrap assassin, sniper exists
what does soldier get(that doesnt put him in direct line of danger but gives extreme reward)
[img]https://wiki.teamfortress.com/w/images/thumb/2/2c/RED_Cow_Mangler_5000.png/250px-RED_Cow_Mangler_5000.png[/img]
oh wait! its banned!
what does soldier get(that doesnt put him in direct line of danger but gives extreme reward)
[img]https://wiki.teamfortress.com/w/images/thumb/2/2c/RED_Cow_Mangler_5000.png/250px-RED_Cow_Mangler_5000.png[/img]
oh wait! its banned!
dbkat least the market gardener is fun to use, the loch n load is literally less fun to play with than regular pipes, people only enjoy it because they can hit crazy pipes without having to get their fatass up from the la-z-boy and aim
i agree, i main demo bc i like the iron bomber and the loch n load is just a mickey mouse version of it, u pretty much dont even have to aim with it like u have dogshit players suddenly being beasts on demo bc they can just shoot across the map and get a lucky med drop, shit is soooo lame.
[quote=dbk]at least the market gardener is fun to use, the loch n load is literally less fun to play with than regular pipes, people only enjoy it because they can hit crazy pipes without having to get their fatass up from the la-z-boy and aim[/quote]
i agree, i main demo bc i like the iron bomber and the loch n load is just a mickey mouse version of it, u pretty much dont even have to aim with it like u have dogshit players suddenly being beasts on demo bc they can just shoot across the map and get a lucky med drop, shit is soooo lame.
i agree, i main demo bc i like the iron bomber and the loch n load is just a mickey mouse version of it, u pretty much dont even have to aim with it like u have dogshit players suddenly being beasts on demo bc they can just shoot across the map and get a lucky med drop, shit is soooo lame.
Walrexwait, so we want loch banned because its hard to react to and can do a lot of damage over really long distances, and we want mg banned because it can 1-shot most classes and offers little counterplay?
i swear i've seen this before...Show Content
ban sniper too
[quote=Walrex]wait, so we want loch banned because its hard to react to and can do a lot of damage over really long distances, and we want mg banned because it can 1-shot most classes and offers little counterplay?
i swear i've seen this before...
[spoiler][img]https://wiki.teamfortress.com/w/images/thumb/8/8f/Sniper.png/250px-Sniper.png[/img][/spoiler][/quote]
ban sniper too
i swear i've seen this before...
[spoiler][img]https://wiki.teamfortress.com/w/images/thumb/8/8f/Sniper.png/250px-Sniper.png[/img][/spoiler][/quote]
ban sniper too
why dont we ban all the classes and have the two teams collectively play a chess match to win rgl grand finals
why dont we ban all the classes and have the two teams collectively play a chess match to win rgl grand finals
SOOOOOAPYMEISTERbuud i dont see how tftv thread will solve anything, surely you guys have a way of talking to the admin team or something, its not like this is the NBA or something.this stuff actually does get talked about with the admins, usually a meeting with the admins and invite players occur at the end of each season. the problem stems from players being reluctant to show up to those meetings. threads like aren't bad, in fact id say its good because it brings discussion. (PSA if youre an invite player, attend the meetings!)
wrap assassin is another item i think needs to be banned, crit balling is so broken and theirs no risk involved, obviously similar things and can be about LNL. in my opinion, thats what separates weapons like LNL and wrap assassin from the spoon.
soapy is just salty he got outplayed in this clip
https://www.twitch.tv/soooooapymeister/clip/RepleteHilariousLampAliens-htOAm7QGnnlWKUGQ?filter=clips&range=all&sort=time
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ok obviously this is very silly lol it shouldn't stack and as much fun as it is to play with yosh and see him hit crazy shots with it, he swaps to basher on last if need be and there's pretty much no downside
not sure if it needs to be banned tho it doesn't seem to affect the game that much, maybe if everyone started to run it and abuse it tho (hard to judge when it hasn't widely been used)
not sure if it needs to be banned tho it doesn't seem to affect the game that much, maybe if everyone started to run it and abuse it tho (hard to judge when it hasn't widely been used)
[quote=SOOOOOAPYMEISTER][quote=buud] i dont see how tftv thread will solve anything, surely you guys have a way of talking to the admin team or something, its not like this is the NBA or something.[/quote]
this stuff actually does get talked about with the admins, usually a meeting with the admins and invite players occur at the end of each season. the problem stems from players being reluctant to show up to those meetings. threads like aren't bad, in fact id say its good because it brings discussion. (PSA if youre an invite player, attend the meetings!)
wrap assassin is another item i think needs to be banned, crit balling is so broken and theirs no risk involved, obviously similar things and can be about LNL. in my opinion, thats what separates weapons like LNL and wrap assassin from the spoon.[/quote]
soapy is just salty he got outplayed in this clip
https://www.twitch.tv/soooooapymeister/clip/RepleteHilariousLampAliens-htOAm7QGnnlWKUGQ?filter=clips&range=all&sort=time
[spoiler]ok obviously this is very silly lol it shouldn't stack and as much fun as it is to play with yosh and see him hit crazy shots with it, he swaps to basher on last if need be and there's pretty much no downside
not sure if it needs to be banned tho it doesn't seem to affect the game that much, maybe if everyone started to run it and abuse it tho (hard to judge when it hasn't widely been used)[/spoiler]
this stuff actually does get talked about with the admins, usually a meeting with the admins and invite players occur at the end of each season. the problem stems from players being reluctant to show up to those meetings. threads like aren't bad, in fact id say its good because it brings discussion. (PSA if youre an invite player, attend the meetings!)
wrap assassin is another item i think needs to be banned, crit balling is so broken and theirs no risk involved, obviously similar things and can be about LNL. in my opinion, thats what separates weapons like LNL and wrap assassin from the spoon.[/quote]
soapy is just salty he got outplayed in this clip
https://www.twitch.tv/soooooapymeister/clip/RepleteHilariousLampAliens-htOAm7QGnnlWKUGQ?filter=clips&range=all&sort=time
[spoiler]ok obviously this is very silly lol it shouldn't stack and as much fun as it is to play with yosh and see him hit crazy shots with it, he swaps to basher on last if need be and there's pretty much no downside
not sure if it needs to be banned tho it doesn't seem to affect the game that much, maybe if everyone started to run it and abuse it tho (hard to judge when it hasn't widely been used)[/spoiler]
RhythmWalrexwait, so we want loch banned because its hard to react to and can do a lot of damage over really long distances, and we want mg banned because it can 1-shot most classes and offers little counterplay?ban sniper too
i swear i've seen this before...Show Content
enough Rhythm
[quote=Rhythm][quote=Walrex]wait, so we want loch banned because its hard to react to and can do a lot of damage over really long distances, and we want mg banned because it can 1-shot most classes and offers little counterplay?
i swear i've seen this before...
[spoiler][img]https://wiki.teamfortress.com/w/images/thumb/8/8f/Sniper.png/250px-Sniper.png[/img][/spoiler][/quote]
ban sniper too[/quote]
enough Rhythm
i swear i've seen this before...
[spoiler][img]https://wiki.teamfortress.com/w/images/thumb/8/8f/Sniper.png/250px-Sniper.png[/img][/spoiler][/quote]
ban sniper too[/quote]
enough Rhythm
bearodactylnot sure if it needs to be banned tho it doesn't seem to affect the game that much
if ur on the fence about if ball should be banned ask yourself why the cow mangler was banned in the first place... charge shots having potential to insta win any fight. a crit ball can do the exact same thing ALL WHILE not using any primary scattergun ammo, recharging faster, doesnt stall ur movement, and instantly shoots.
bearodactylmaybe if everyone started to run it and abuse it tho (hard to judge when it hasn't widely been used)
ngl i feel like pretty much every flank scout in invite uses it, and if ur not then ur missing out on free damage for no risk
Walrexwait, so we want loch banned because its hard to react to and can do a lot of damage over really long distances, and we want mg banned because it can 1-shot most classes and offers little counterplay?
i swear i've seen this before...Show Content
i know this is a joke but sniper being annoying is more of a map design problem, not exactly comparable to weapon bans.
Wicked02 https://clips.twitch.tv/LovelySincereCrabFunRun-C79jKqxRnfTUjFIv whats the counterplay to this?
to be honest, skeez just needed to press any other movement key than s and also not route his movement up a surfable ramp. highfive as well was probably looking at chat or his players in house, which is why is reaction to this was as slow as it was. if he was more prepared for a fast counter sack, he probably could've positioned himself in from of skeez and denied me.
brodyDuel_Clipa bit of a derailment of the thread but why do people see an issue with the mg?it breaks the ammo management decision making that forms the total foundation of skill at the class, and it adds a powerful play that is almost completely impossible for the opponent to interact with
as much as i love using mg, the first quarter of the take is actually a pretty good one. although everything after is just wrong. its VERY possible for the opponent to interact and deny a soldier of a crit mg with good positioning, movement, and simply just anticipating a soldier with mg.
[quote=bearodactyl]not sure if it needs to be banned tho it doesn't seem to affect the game that much[/quote]
if ur on the fence about if ball should be banned ask yourself why the cow mangler was banned in the first place... charge shots having potential to insta win any fight. a crit ball can do the exact same thing ALL WHILE not using any primary scattergun ammo, recharging faster, doesnt stall ur movement, and instantly shoots.
[quote=bearodactyl]maybe if everyone started to run it and abuse it tho (hard to judge when it hasn't widely been used)[/quote]
ngl i feel like pretty much every flank scout in invite uses it, and if ur not then ur missing out on free damage for no risk
[quote=Walrex]wait, so we want loch banned because its hard to react to and can do a lot of damage over really long distances, and we want mg banned because it can 1-shot most classes and offers little counterplay?
i swear i've seen this before...
[spoiler][img]https://wiki.teamfortress.com/w/images/thumb/8/8f/Sniper.png/250px-Sniper.png[/img][/spoiler][/quote]
i know this is a joke but sniper being annoying is more of a map design problem, not exactly comparable to weapon bans.
[quote=Wicked02][url=https://clips.twitch.tv/LovelySincereCrabFunRun-C79jKqxRnfTUjFIv] https://clips.twitch.tv/LovelySincereCrabFunRun-C79jKqxRnfTUjFIv[/url] whats the counterplay to this?[/quote]
to be honest, skeez just needed to press any other movement key than s and also not route his movement up a surfable ramp. highfive as well was probably looking at chat or his players in house, which is why is reaction to this was as slow as it was. if he was more prepared for a fast counter sack, he probably could've positioned himself in from of skeez and denied me.
[quote=brody][quote=Duel_Clip]a bit of a derailment of the thread but why do people see an issue with the mg?[/quote]
it breaks the ammo management decision making that forms the total foundation of skill at the class, and it adds a powerful play that is almost completely impossible for the opponent to interact with[/quote]
as much as i love using mg, the first quarter of the take is actually a pretty good one. although everything after is just wrong. its VERY possible for the opponent to interact and deny a soldier of a crit mg with good positioning, movement, and simply just anticipating a soldier with mg.
if ur on the fence about if ball should be banned ask yourself why the cow mangler was banned in the first place... charge shots having potential to insta win any fight. a crit ball can do the exact same thing ALL WHILE not using any primary scattergun ammo, recharging faster, doesnt stall ur movement, and instantly shoots.
[quote=bearodactyl]maybe if everyone started to run it and abuse it tho (hard to judge when it hasn't widely been used)[/quote]
ngl i feel like pretty much every flank scout in invite uses it, and if ur not then ur missing out on free damage for no risk
[quote=Walrex]wait, so we want loch banned because its hard to react to and can do a lot of damage over really long distances, and we want mg banned because it can 1-shot most classes and offers little counterplay?
i swear i've seen this before...
[spoiler][img]https://wiki.teamfortress.com/w/images/thumb/8/8f/Sniper.png/250px-Sniper.png[/img][/spoiler][/quote]
i know this is a joke but sniper being annoying is more of a map design problem, not exactly comparable to weapon bans.
[quote=Wicked02][url=https://clips.twitch.tv/LovelySincereCrabFunRun-C79jKqxRnfTUjFIv] https://clips.twitch.tv/LovelySincereCrabFunRun-C79jKqxRnfTUjFIv[/url] whats the counterplay to this?[/quote]
to be honest, skeez just needed to press any other movement key than s and also not route his movement up a surfable ramp. highfive as well was probably looking at chat or his players in house, which is why is reaction to this was as slow as it was. if he was more prepared for a fast counter sack, he probably could've positioned himself in from of skeez and denied me.
[quote=brody][quote=Duel_Clip]a bit of a derailment of the thread but why do people see an issue with the mg?[/quote]
it breaks the ammo management decision making that forms the total foundation of skill at the class, and it adds a powerful play that is almost completely impossible for the opponent to interact with[/quote]
as much as i love using mg, the first quarter of the take is actually a pretty good one. although everything after is just wrong. its VERY possible for the opponent to interact and deny a soldier of a crit mg with good positioning, movement, and simply just anticipating a soldier with mg.
imagine the variety and fun we could have in maps if sniper being strong and unfun wasnt blamed on map designers
imagine the variety and fun we could have in maps if sniper being strong and unfun wasnt blamed on map designers
I think if we are to ban the market gardener we should give the soldiers another buff to even things out. Perhaps we use the no extra self damage thing when u shoot a guy next to you when you have gunboats on.
euros, was it good?
I think if we are to ban the market gardener we should give the soldiers another buff to even things out. Perhaps we use the no extra self damage thing when u shoot a guy next to you when you have gunboats on.
euros, was it good?
euros, was it good?
scratchhI think if we are to ban the market gardener we should give the soldiers another buff to even things out. Perhaps we use the no extra self damage thing when u shoot a guy next to you when you have gunboats on.
euros, was it good?
IIRC they got rid of it recently? could be wrong, ive heard it makes soldier as a class basically be turned into a melee weapon cause you barely take any self damage from those rockets.
[quote=scratchh]I think if we are to ban the market gardener we should give the soldiers another buff to even things out. Perhaps we use the no extra self damage thing when u shoot a guy next to you when you have gunboats on.
euros, was it good?[/quote]
IIRC they got rid of it recently? could be wrong, ive heard it makes soldier as a class basically be turned into a melee weapon cause you barely take any self damage from those rockets.
euros, was it good?[/quote]
IIRC they got rid of it recently? could be wrong, ive heard it makes soldier as a class basically be turned into a melee weapon cause you barely take any self damage from those rockets.
Feel like a crit ball changing a fight is similar to a med hitting a crazy arrow or demo hitting a crazy pipe it doesn’t instantly kill someone but can turn the fight in your favor. Something being a direct upgrade or having clutch potential doesn’t necessarily mean it makes the game less fun, arrows are a perfect example of that. If people feel like flank scouts are having too much impact with it and it’s significantly changing the meta / making the game unfun then banning makes sense, until then it seems premature (whereas the mg and lnl arguably do satisfy these conditions)
Feel like a crit ball changing a fight is similar to a med hitting a crazy arrow or demo hitting a crazy pipe it doesn’t instantly kill someone but can turn the fight in your favor. Something being a direct upgrade or having clutch potential doesn’t necessarily mean it makes the game less fun, arrows are a perfect example of that. If people feel like flank scouts are having too much impact with it and it’s significantly changing the meta / making the game unfun then banning makes sense, until then it seems premature (whereas the mg and lnl arguably do satisfy these conditions)
nowahplease add sourcemod that adds damage falloff for pipes (loch n load and stock.)
in exchange for damage ramp up youve got a deal
[quote=nowah]please add sourcemod that adds damage falloff for pipes (loch n load and stock.) [/quote]
in exchange for damage ramp up youve got a deal
in exchange for damage ramp up youve got a deal
nowahplease add sourcemod that adds damage falloff for pipes (loch n load and stock.) It can be a 100 for mid range distances but it doing 100 from across mid is unfun and too impactful.
this but for sniper would benefit any gamemode
as for market gardener it could deal ~125 dmg so u dont get awarded with a medic instakill for rolling out into a fight, the b-hop autism we just have to live with i guess
and for LnL 2 chambers, 2 pipes. ure breaking my immersion valve!!!!! (ignore stock)
fuck it just try 1 season (not a pre-season) with some kinda promod and see how it goes
[quote=nowah]please add sourcemod that adds damage falloff for pipes (loch n load and stock.) It can be a 100 for mid range distances but it doing 100 from across mid is unfun and too impactful.[/quote]
this but for sniper would benefit any gamemode
as for market gardener it could deal ~125 dmg so u dont get awarded with a medic instakill for rolling out into a fight, the b-hop autism we just have to live with i guess
and for LnL 2 chambers, 2 pipes. ure breaking my immersion valve!!!!! (ignore stock)
fuck it just try 1 season (not a pre-season) with some kinda promod and see how it goes
this but for sniper would benefit any gamemode
as for market gardener it could deal ~125 dmg so u dont get awarded with a medic instakill for rolling out into a fight, the b-hop autism we just have to live with i guess
and for LnL 2 chambers, 2 pipes. ure breaking my immersion valve!!!!! (ignore stock)
fuck it just try 1 season (not a pre-season) with some kinda promod and see how it goes
crazyoh wait! its banned!
as someone who played when this shit was last allowed, as well as in the cup recently that tried to test this, its fucking aids and should never return.
[quote=crazy]oh wait! its banned![/quote]
as someone who played when this shit was last allowed, as well as in the cup recently that tried to test this, its fucking aids and should never return.
as someone who played when this shit was last allowed, as well as in the cup recently that tried to test this, its fucking aids and should never return.
herbscratchhI think if we are to ban the market gardener we should give the soldiers another buff to even things out. Perhaps we use the no extra self damage thing when u shoot a guy next to you when you have gunboats on.
euros, was it good?
IIRC they got rid of it recently? could be wrong, ive heard it makes soldier as a class basically be turned into a melee weapon cause you barely take any self damage from those rockets.
[quote=herb][quote=scratchh]I think if we are to ban the market gardener we should give the soldiers another buff to even things out. Perhaps we use the no extra self damage thing when u shoot a guy next to you when you have gunboats on.
euros, was it good?[/quote]
IIRC they got rid of it recently? could be wrong, ive heard it makes soldier as a class basically be turned into a melee weapon cause you barely take any self damage from those rockets.[/quote]
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euros, was it good?[/quote]
IIRC they got rid of it recently? could be wrong, ive heard it makes soldier as a class basically be turned into a melee weapon cause you barely take any self damage from those rockets.[/quote]
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scratchhI think if we are to ban the market gardener we should give the soldiers another buff to even things out. Perhaps we use the no extra self damage thing when u shoot a guy next to you when you have gunboats on.
euros, was it good?
removed now, back to massive self dmg + no mg, although i thought it'd be bad at first it's good after playing with it. no need to alter the game that much with plugins simply ban the op shit and play
[quote=scratchh]I think if we are to ban the market gardener we should give the soldiers another buff to even things out. Perhaps we use the no extra self damage thing when u shoot a guy next to you when you have gunboats on.
euros, was it good?[/quote]
removed now, back to massive self dmg + no mg, although i thought it'd be bad at first it's good after playing with it. no need to alter the game that much with plugins simply ban the op shit and play
euros, was it good?[/quote]
removed now, back to massive self dmg + no mg, although i thought it'd be bad at first it's good after playing with it. no need to alter the game that much with plugins simply ban the op shit and play
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