I love playing and watching gpit

More so than most maps

Just my 3 cents

I'd rather take 2ffl's if my team was in a position to do so, hell, I've skipped scrims for the purpose of not playing it.
It's fun to watch, but having a map that is literally described as an upset map is in itself a horrible idea.
I've hated it and always have hated it and have taken shitloads of crap for hating it JUST MAKE THE PAIN STOP

more like simultaneously voted in and out

Terrible map.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=K-1V7v7WzCE

plebeians.

As someone who previously supported gpit, I want gpit out, but I actually want a GOOD map to replace it (not ashville sry)

gay map

cp_junction_final

cp_labor

bring back broma

A post promoting 6s on cp_junction is getting +fragged. I think some voting rights need to be redacted here. Wasn't too long ago that most people who posted about gpit supported it and they got all the +frags. As great as some of the people are, the intensity of this community's bandwagon mentality is just staggering. I'm starting to think I ought to be careful about using the word "witch" around here.

Also love how TLR's post, despite being contrary to the opinions the previous fragvotes have indicated, is getting positive votes. WHEN BANDWAGONING AND DICKSUCKING COLLIDE.

If the map dies, then rest in peace. the good DMs had on gpit B shant be soon forgotten.

If you give a shit about +frags you probably shouldn't be here

That being said, cody asks for junction back all the time as a joke

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Irony

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Joke

Granted, I've only scrimmed/PUGed it, but I really like Edifice. If all goes well in UGC I suggest we consider adding it.

Its fun, and would break up the season without it being GPit. It still maintains the focus on teamplay, but not to the point where skill is sacrificed.

Of course it would still be an "upset map" because teams still would not scrim it and people would whine about it not being 5cp, but maybe that is something we (as a community) should try and work on anyway.

not fun to play or watch

IT'S EDIFICE NOT EDIFACE GOD

I wouldn't mind seeing Edifice in for S15, unless it goes over horribly in UGC. If it ends up being horrible, then we can vote it out. By that time there should probably be another 5cp map to replace it, unless we want koth_ashville again/someone actually makes a good koth map (rip koth_granary).

You know that thing that happens where one thing you type in a post is ignorant/fallacious, and everyone corrects that bit and then ignores the rest of your post? Sucks :/ Shouldn't affect the rest of what I had to say, though.

My bad, anyway.

Literally every match at LAN last season was 2-0.

OP, do we need to rethink LAN because of that?

The rest of your post was bitching about +frags, grow up.

do teams LIKE playing gpit, usually not. sometimes it can be a fun, intense match, however most of the time its rather annoying. This discussion has been brought up so many times. "gpit is a map where lower teams can upset better ones, lets get rid of it." is the argument ive heard quite often. Well, the same goes for any map really. It seems like its always the teams who dont practice gpit and lose their matches are the ones who start complaining about how it needs to be taken out. maybe if you practiced like the "lesser" teams it wouldnt be an issue.

Sorry if that sounded harsh, i know that isnt ALWAYS the situation. Personally, I wouldnt totally mind seeing it go, but gpit DOES work in a 6v6 setting. Out of all the different map types, we use only 2-non push maps (viaduct/gpit). Its nice to have a little variety. Until another really good koth map comes along, or a new game type/map that works in 6v6 i think we should keep gpit if only to break up the monotony of an 8 week season of push maps.

I think the gametype just isn't good anymore. It's too slow. Asheville is probably the best bet although we might try koth_artic or something.

why do you need to sign up ;-;

maybe some high level players get with someone from tf2maps (for the mapping competition thing) and plan out an A/D map that's fun to spectate and fun to play?

I like gpit since it's more strategy based than other maps.

I like playing gpit in matches it's exciting but scrimming on it is a chore cuz it's so different from the other maps.

definitely talking out of my ass here but it feels like how the NHL has a winter classic every year where two teams play one of their regular season games in an outdoor rink which has different conditions and probably feels different from playing in a regular indoor rink. It doesn't affect most teams since only 2 out of 30 teams play in this and isn't too big of a deal to prepare for; it's really just a tradition and a show for the fans.

But what if every team in the NHL had to play 10 (1/8th) of their regular season games in an outdoor rink and had to prepare for it by taking their everyday practice to outdoor rinks for two weeks. gravelpit in the map rotation isn't nearly as extreme as this example but it's still only there for tradition and good for spectators and most teams I imagine don't like preparing for it and would rather just get it out of the way (even if everyone involved enjoys the matches resulting)

so I really think gpit should be voted out, even for a map that was previously in the rotation

I like Gpit.

fite me

I like Gravelpit.

I think thats a better analogy for the LAN rather than gpit week. As a hockey player myself, ive played on many indoor and outdoor rinks. While there are some differences, the game is still the same fundamentally. Home team advantage is something you hear about a lot, in hockey teams know how the boards work in their rink. You know where you can shoot a puck to make it bounce how and where you want. An outdoor rink that you arent used to doesnt allow for that, but the same goes for playing an away game. NHL players are the best in the world, and most of, if not all of them have grown up playing on outdoor and indoor rinks. Its not a big deal for them. They dont get much practice time on the outdoor rinks as they are usually being built and arent ready until a couple days before the game. On the TF2 side of the coin, gpit is a departure from the norm, but its still the game we always play, and a map we have played forever (like granary or badlands). The winter classic is just a change in location, like playing on lan.

Yes the winter classic is more a promotional thing than anything else, but if it was more practical im sure more teams would play on outdoor rinks, but due to weather and other factors its kind of impossible. Gpit isnt promotional for us, the lan is. Gpit is just a map, and one we are all used to. There have been a few votes to see if it should be removed, and it always survives and stays in. People want to play it. As I said in my other post, i think a lot of the people in this thread complaining about it now are on teams that didnt practice it (at least not much) and lost, and arent happy. I understand that, but the community has spoken several times through votes about it. Give us a new stopwatch map or game type that plays well in 6s and id be willing to vote gpit out for that.

I just feel that if gpit were to get removed because people dont like playing it for certain reasons, while unlikely, could result in removing more maps. "gullywash and snakewater suck because they can turn into huge stalemates, lets ditch them. oh man, metalworks sucks, lets drop that too." 8 weeks of badlands, joy.

holy shit i just wrote an essay. sorry. going to sleep now.

Speaking as someone who has never played a day of comp in my life, gpit week is always my favorite week to watch. There are just so many different strategic options compared to 5cp's repetitive heavy defending last/roamer bombs until he gets a freak pick. I can't remember the last time I watched a match on 5cp where I was surprised by the way teams played; every time I watch a gpit match it feels completely different.

I'd agree with Tri that gravelpit is the weakest map in the rotation at the moment, but I'm not sure that there is an adequate replacement -- that is, after all, the issue that we had this season.

It's also important to note that both ETF2L and OWL have removed gravelpit from their map rotations for similar reasons.

Even though the map is great as a spectator map, something needs to be done. Even if the matches are fun to watch, I don't want to come home on a Thursday night and see a bunch of 2-0 games. With 5cp and even KOTH there's more rounds played and I think a little more forgiveness for the losing team. That's why we see so many upsets on Gpit -- if you make a big mistake and give up a round, it's a huge deal. In 5cp or KOTH there's plenty more rounds to be played which potentially results in a more interesting score and it's arguable that the better team in a given matchup wins more often on 5cp.

The best thing that Gpit has going for it is that it is without a doubt the best tiebreaker map for playoff scenarios. It creates a lot of excitement in those high-profile matches and always results in a winner. I think we'd have a hard time findig or making a suitable replacement (Viaduct won't cut it).

i think a lot of you would be fine with 10 weeks of badlands