Would if I wasnt eune
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isn't there a LoL forum or something
i think tf.tv is dota 2 or bust

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league makes my insides hurt

Fuck that game. It keeps stealing all my friends. That and DOTA.

Shitty game.

if you play dominion add me, SR is a waste of fucking time.

All the kids at my school switched from tf2 to league. Even the ones that didn't play other games

It's like an RTS where you control one unit.

If I wanted to do that I'd play an RTS.

If we were gonna play a MOBA game, we mine as well play Dota 2, since it's on steam, pretty much free(too many invites!), and you can play any hero you want for freeeeee.

yeah fuck you op i'll take my objectively better f2p dota2 master race game instead of your shit kiddie p2w trollfest of a game

http://www.twitch.tv/neorussia/

doesnt get better than this baby you betchur sweet gaming rig it doesnt

Do people just call them "MOBAs" now because Riot named their shit-hole game that genre?

Quality.

You know it takes you like 50+ wins or whatever just to unlock the 'latest hero' in that game? A+ Either that or 5-10 bucks.

http://img.gawkerassets.com/img/18j1keozod4hijpg/ku-xlarge.jpg

http://kotaku.com/5835864/gabe-newell-wants-to-call-moba-game-genre-arts
It's just what people generally call it nowadays, MOBA this, MOBA that.

i regret posting this thread

i think crumpet does add him

MOBA = Multiplayer Online Battle Arena

That is literally the description of every multiplayer game ever.

all of my asian friends play league. and some of my white friends

As you should.

I'm playing on EUW, add ItsTrath. (Probably nothing will come out of this post but here is for hoping)

Well you don't need to have the "latest hero". There are plenty of hero that you can get after 3-5 games.
Sure it is annoying that you don't have a hero you want, but that is why this business model works.

How does it work in Dota? I'm sure people pay for something similar, no?

In any event, League certainly isn't the first to come up with this model, where it isn't pay to win but it isn't nothing either.

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you start off with all champs unlocked, no grinding involved.

Yeah I inferred that, but obviously Valve makes money from dota. So what can money buy you in-game?

Hats, of course.

Actually, just cosmetics and keys to chance cosmetics. But there's no P2W like LoL.

Yeah, because 9 times out of 10, the new hero is imbalanced. When I played and when these heroes came out: yorick, vayne, ahri, graves, jarvan, xin zhao - were are stupidly balanced. It really is soft pay to win, or play 500 games to get the "new imbalanced hero". I don't care whether it's their "business model" and that it works for them. I'm concerned with the fact you either need to play a shit ton + bank up some points or pay money to try a new hero that should be available whenever! Not only that, having multiple rune pages is almost essential if you want to get anywhere in that game. Else, your rune pages aren't diverse enough and you're weaker at a role in a ranked game because x player picked y role, and your z rune page just doesn't cut it.

Please don't try and do the same thing with TF2, as we all know 99% of the unlocks are side-grades at best.

Basically the biggest problem I have with LoL. You have to grind to be on equal footing with any other play. In non-casual competitive games, everybody starts equally in the eyes of the game (no advantages for playing/grinding/paying more). A level 1 LoL account can never compete against a level 30 LoL account with every rune and super rune pages etc.

It's fine as a casual game though. I just hate it as being considering a professional game because it gives definite advantages to people who play more.

A Level 1 account will never be paired against a level 30 LoL account unless you're doing custom games pretty much though.

The main problem is a Level 30 LoL account can not compete against other level 30 LoL accounts based on runes/champions owned.

You can in a custom game. I'm just saying, if the best Dota 2 team wanted to play LoL, they'd have to grind out to level 30 and grind out the hundreds of runes and probably have to pay for rune pages and heroes just to be fucking equal to another player. It's stupid that they can be considered a professional esport when you add a huge fucking time barrier from playing equally.

I'm fine with a person knowing more about the game beating newcomers. I do mind when you newcomers can't play because they don't have the 2 months of playing with IP boost rune pages and heroes that completely dictate the early game.

Balance will always be imperfect. Heros are changed to be stronger/weaker every patch. I would imagine its the same for Dota?
At any given time, you will always have X heros for every roll that are way better than the rest.
New heros aren't always overpowered. Most of the heros that are changed with every new patch are pretty old.

I mean sure as a player I find it frustrating that I have to bank up on IP, but I understand Riot's view as well.
Honestly if all you can buy in Dota is cosmetics, then I really don't understand how they are making money. (but then TF2 pops in to mind, so I guess there really are enough people that care about that stuff)

I think your term "soft pay to win" nails it. I don't like just "pay to win".