Uhhhhhhhhhhh....I need the anti-tl;dr please

Pretty sure it's for the bitcoin mining thing.

Now seems like a good time to mention CEVO doesn't commit fraud...

Neither does IGL of course.

(saved you the trouble there, man from IGL whose name I forget atm)

esea is shit, but it is the best thing for tf2. u should be hoping that their losses are none/minimal

spoiler alert: people who pug cs all the time have shitty lawyers and this goes nowhere

Damn, I'm in Berkeley. I want to see this shit in person just out of curiosity.

time to get laid off to pay for legal fees ;_;

If the uber exchanges go in the plaintiff's favour then I think they'll take it 5-4

hey mason i dont know much about legal issues but to me it seems like there is enough clear evidence for esea to get fucked in the asshole.

idk lpkane probably pays his lawyers $100 a month like his staff

lpkane literally buys jets with how much money he makes from esea

they already fired jaguar which is who they pinned the whole thing on

idk maybe big eric is a dumber business man than i thought, but im not sure why so many people wanna see esea get shit on here because it is literally good for nobody

im not exactly happy with shit like 50 dollar invite fees, bad servers, etc but if you guys think that esea going under helps tf2 (or csgo) in any way youre an idiot

like i said i literally think it comes down to how good of a legal team esea has and it would blow my mind if the team at esea didnt take this as seriously as it should

this.

We all want to see someone better come around but that's just not going to happen unless there is money in it. If we could do a good tournament with LAN finals without ESEA we would definitely be better off, but that just aint gonna happen at the moment, so supporting our abusive father is all that's going to happen right now.

Speaking of that, whatever happened to that "unauthorized individual" that did those "unauthorized actions" that "disappointed and concerned" ESEA so much that they are in the "process of taking all necessary steps internally to ensure that nothing like this ever happens again"?

I'm not a ridiciously high level player but I never really got the appeal of NEEDING a lan.
I mean its nice to have one and frankly I think its sounds exciting for those involved but does it really make or break a league?

Also their probably going to go get fucked in court.

without a lan the scene will die.

see: Europe

if you haven't been to a lan then you won't know. I haven't either but i know well enough that it's huge and everyone needs it

no more black star on esea

no more news posts

no more jaguar based client updates

if they havent fired him theyre at least trying to make it look like they fired him

what kind of employee doesnt login at least once a month?

as far as how much money lpkane has, ya jets was an exaggeration but he has a few properties/investments lined up for sure

@kaneco everybody in europe is like 10 feet from eachother and they have 3 lans a year that anybody can go to so im not sure if youre being sarcastic or not but its not a good point

hey lets make a tf.tv league, we can make the lan in a place that isn't chicago or have it at an already existing lan

We'll have the lan in ruwin's apartment.

i'm allergic to cats ://////////

A league where you only have to pay a one time fee and not a monthly payment? That would be the life.

I want Bubkiss to cast it :-)

I'm saying Europe doesn't have a p2p league, not even 3 lans a year and we are still here, and growing

ya this totally hasnt been brought up and shot down many times before

#30 more like "if we're fucked we have to be ready to do something about it" then "lol let's all quit esea"

I'm really torn on this.

I was really pissed off when all this came out and wanted to see ESEA face the music, but at the same time I understand that as things are, they're a necessary evil.

They made promises to remedy the affected users, and as far as anyone knows they're making good on it. They made promises that this was a one thing deal, and that the involved parties were fired (although reading on the CS:GO subreddit and the esea forums it seems to indicate otherwise) and that they were putting "all" of the funds into the prize pots for this season. On the other hand, nobody knows the full extent of this. How long it really went on, to what extent they exploited the client and what other sorts of rogue code were stuck in there that no one saw.

I was a part of a similar (albeit much broader and larger) punitive damages class action. I can tell you that class certification is going to be tough on this one, and will probably take quite a while. The lawyers for the plaintiffs (basically anyone who downloaded the client, ultimately) will have to argue that everyone incurred equal damages (or *could* have incurred them, but most judges, especially in CA where this, and my case were, will want solid proof of damages). I think it's in ESEA's best interest to go ahead and try a single case and see what happens. The sheer amount of technobabble the plaintiff's council would have to dumb down and explain to a judge and jury is staggering... I'm sure ESEA et al has some pretty phenomenal connections to good council in NY, some of the best class action defenders are out there, so I don't see this having any immediate effect on TF2 or ESEA in general. My case took over 3 years to resolve, and now, 5 years later, it's technically still in arbitration. ESEA has the time and resources to throw at this, and honestly I really don't see this going anywhere. ESEA has made good faith efforts to "restore" any damages to relevant parties of the class, and honestly most judges will see that during class certification and deny it. But know knows, some judges love this new age "Facebooky" shit.