ParagonIs it time for a legitimate discussion about what it would take to create and run another league(assuming through tf.tv) yet?
If the community would get over having a LAN and an anti-cheat client temporarily, I could probably create a league that replicates almost everything else ESEA gets right, add more features that would actually be useful, and almost certainly charge less for the privilege. Of course, I probably wouldn't rake in nearly as much as ESEA does (considering they just agreed to a $350k settlement), but hey.
SnowyWaldohttp://puu.sh/5nwOJ.png
This could be interesting
Wait I live in NJ. Does that mean I can't play in ESEA?
No, that was part of the complaint. It wasn't part of the settlement, or at least I couldn't find it on my quick skim.
2cmMain-in-the-BoxDo you really trust the ESEA client after this?
i think the bigger question is
do you really think the people who run esea client would try anything like this again?
well
lpkane has nothing to do with client dev, he does web stuff/lives on his mansion yacht castle
ive known the new ac hire since i was 13 and he is pure like a snowflake
And he's even hiring for the web development now. There was a job listing on the ESEA forums.
[quote=Paragon]Is it time for a legitimate discussion about what it would take to create and run another league(assuming through tf.tv) yet?[/quote]
If the community would get over having a LAN and an anti-cheat client temporarily, I could probably create a league that replicates almost everything else ESEA gets right, add more features that would actually be useful, and almost certainly charge less for the privilege. Of course, I probably wouldn't rake in nearly as much as ESEA does (considering they just agreed to a $350k settlement), but hey.
[quote=Snowy][quote=Waldo][img]http://puu.sh/5nwOJ.png[/img]
This could be interesting[/quote]
Wait I live in NJ. Does that mean I can't play in ESEA?[/quote]
No, that was part of the complaint. It wasn't part of the settlement, or at least I couldn't find it on my quick skim.
[quote=2c][quote=m][quote=Main-in-the-Box]
Do you really trust the ESEA client after this?[/quote]
i think the bigger question is
do you really think the people who run esea client would try anything like this again?[/quote]
well
lpkane has nothing to do with client dev, he does web stuff/lives on his mansion yacht castle
ive known the new ac hire since i was 13 and he is pure like a snowflake[/quote]
And he's even hiring for the web development now. There was a job listing on the ESEA forums.
I was promised frag video.
Where is frag video. I was prommmmised.
I was promised frag video.
Where is frag video. I was prommmmised.
So apparently the ESEA press release is a "get out of NSA-level shit free" card judging with how he's dealing with the comments
So apparently the ESEA press release is a "get out of NSA-level shit free" card judging with how he's dealing with the comments
So can I be compensated for my unusual high utility bill a few months ago?
So can I be compensated for my unusual high utility bill a few months ago?
flatlineSo apparently the ESEA press release is a "get out of NSA-level shit free" card judging with how he's dealing with the comments
That's what they get for settling for $350,000 - the right to deny they ever did anything wrong.
3. Plaintiffs and Settling Dçfendants entered into this Consent Judgment for settlement
purposes only. Settling Defendants deny the allegations and claims as set forth in the Complaint.
Neither the fact of, nor any provision contained in this Consent Judgment shall be construed as an
admission by Settling Defendants that any of their acts or practices described in the Complaint or
prohibited by this Consent Judgment violate the CFA and CROA.
(emphasis mine)
[quote=flatline]So apparently the ESEA press release is a "get out of NSA-level shit free" card judging with how he's dealing with the comments[/quote]
That's what they get for settling for $350,000 - the right to deny they ever did anything wrong.
[quote]3. Plaintiffs and Settling Dçfendants entered into this Consent Judgment for settlement
purposes only. [b]Settling Defendants deny the allegations and claims as set forth in the Complaint.
Neither the fact of, nor any provision contained in this Consent Judgment shall be construed as an
admission by Settling Defendants that any of their acts or practices described in the Complaint or
prohibited by this Consent Judgment violate the CFA and CROA.[/b][/quote]
(emphasis mine)
HowardSo can I be compensated for my unusual high utility bill a few months ago?
i'll give you 2 buds for it :)
[quote=Howard]So can I be compensated for my unusual high utility bill a few months ago?[/quote]
i'll give you 2 buds for it :)
flatlineReferenced post #31 by flatline
So you're just going to fail to mention the ESEA Monitoring Code?
"- The ESEA Monitoring Code monitored computer activity even
when end-users were not using ESEA services...
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#31 expecting state officials to comprehend an anti-cheat client is... well, interesting
how exactly do you think the client catches cheaters?
here we go
edit: shit i'm really bad at this "calling people out" thing
SO NOW he basically told me to talk to the hand.
yepokthatsbusinesslike
the thing about anti-cheat is the monitoring should stop once the client is closed, like they dont care if you cheat off client EG: You can still play in ESEA with a vac ban on record and if I remember right? (possibly wrong) And no way in hell provide a back door into your system....
[quote=flatline][quote]Referenced post #31 by flatline
So you're just going to fail to mention the ESEA Monitoring Code?
"- The ESEA Monitoring Code monitored computer activity even
when end-users were not using ESEA services...
Read More
#31 expecting state officials to comprehend an anti-cheat client is... well, interesting
how exactly do you think the client catches cheaters?[/quote]
[i]here we go[/i]
edit: shit i'm really bad at this "calling people out" thing
SO NOW he basically told me to talk to the hand.
yepokthatsbusinesslike[/quote]
the thing about anti-cheat is the monitoring should stop once the client is closed, like they dont care if you cheat off client EG: You can still play in ESEA with a vac ban on record and if I remember right? (possibly wrong) And no way in hell provide a back door into your system....
A serious suggestion if you really only value ESEA for it's LAN - Why not make one of your local LAN events (GXL, ETS) or something an i-series equivalent? There was that recent one which had a lot of attending players, now if you do it perhaps during the summer, it will attract a bigger audience and allow NA scene to have a "must-do" LAN and as a community we can fund your best teams there and maybe one day Euros and Australians. I-series didn't become such a big deal in Europe because Americans attended, it was still THE LAN and it was all down to the community turnout at i40 and i43 surpassing anything we'd ever seen before.
Of course, having a regular LAN decider is a big thing for the scene, we'd love it in Europe despite having the summer i-series. Hence why a lot of the top teams signed up for ESEA in the hope that by sticking to it, we can see something similar appear eventually.
A serious suggestion if you really only value ESEA for it's LAN - Why not make one of your local LAN events (GXL, ETS) or something an i-series equivalent? There was that recent one which had a lot of attending players, now if you do it perhaps during the summer, it will attract a bigger audience and allow NA scene to have a "must-do" LAN and as a community we can fund your best teams there and maybe one day Euros and Australians. I-series didn't become such a big deal in Europe because Americans attended, it was still THE LAN and it was all down to the community turnout at i40 and i43 surpassing anything we'd ever seen before.
Of course, having a regular LAN decider is a big thing for the scene, we'd love it in Europe despite having the summer i-series. Hence why a lot of the top teams signed up for ESEA in the hope that by sticking to it, we can see something similar appear eventually.
elliott_I can't wait to read 30 pages of anger and then have everyone play in ESEA instead of UGC or CEVO next season again.
Don't forget about IGL
[quote=elliott_]I can't wait to read 30 pages of anger and then have everyone play in ESEA instead of UGC or CEVO next season again.[/quote]
Don't forget about IGL
HildrethA serious suggestion if you really only value ESEA for it's LAN - Why not make one of your local LAN events (GXL, ETS) or something an i-series equivalent? There was that recent one which had a lot of attending players, now if you do it perhaps during the summer, it will attract a bigger audience and allow NA scene to have a "must-do" LAN and as a community we can fund your best teams there and maybe one day Euros and Australians. I-series didn't become such a big deal in Europe because Americans attended, it was still THE LAN and it was all down to the community turnout at i40 and i43 surpassing anything we'd ever seen before.
Of course, having a regular LAN decider is a big thing for the scene, we'd love it in Europe despite having the summer i-series. Hence why a lot of the top teams signed up for ESEA in the hope that by sticking to it, we can see something similar appear eventually.
The shear cost of transporting people across the US makes it much more difficult. I'm not 100% on how your infrastructure is in EU, but over here almost all long distance travel is by plane.
[quote=Hildreth]A serious suggestion if you really only value ESEA for it's LAN - Why not make one of your local LAN events (GXL, ETS) or something an i-series equivalent? There was that recent one which had a lot of attending players, now if you do it perhaps during the summer, it will attract a bigger audience and allow NA scene to have a "must-do" LAN and as a community we can fund your best teams there and maybe one day Euros and Australians. I-series didn't become such a big deal in Europe because Americans attended, it was still THE LAN and it was all down to the community turnout at i40 and i43 surpassing anything we'd ever seen before.
Of course, having a regular LAN decider is a big thing for the scene, we'd love it in Europe despite having the summer i-series. Hence why a lot of the top teams signed up for ESEA in the hope that by sticking to it, we can see something similar appear eventually.[/quote]
The shear cost of transporting people across the US makes it much more difficult. I'm not 100% on how your infrastructure is in EU, but over here almost all long distance travel is by plane.
Killing confirmed Zionist?
Killing confirmed Zionist?
HowardSo can I be compensated for my unusual high utility bill a few months ago?
see there's enough stupid people on the planet for me to be confused as to whether youre serious
[quote=Howard]So can I be compensated for my unusual high utility bill a few months ago?[/quote]
see there's enough stupid people on the planet for me to be confused as to whether youre serious
elliott_HildrethA serious suggestion if you really only value ESEA for it's LAN - Why not make one of your local LAN events (GXL, ETS) or something an i-series equivalent? There was that recent one which had a lot of attending players, now if you do it perhaps during the summer, it will attract a bigger audience and allow NA scene to have a "must-do" LAN and as a community we can fund your best teams there and maybe one day Euros and Australians. I-series didn't become such a big deal in Europe because Americans attended, it was still THE LAN and it was all down to the community turnout at i40 and i43 surpassing anything we'd ever seen before.
Of course, having a regular LAN decider is a big thing for the scene, we'd love it in Europe despite having the summer i-series. Hence why a lot of the top teams signed up for ESEA in the hope that by sticking to it, we can see something similar appear eventually.
The shear cost of transporting people across the US makes it much more difficult. I'm not 100% on how your infrastructure is in EU, but over here almost all long distance travel is by plane.
I won't doubt this but people come in from all over Europe, including Eastern Europe, and considering UK is on the Western end of Europe, that is pretty impressive. It is like people from New York going to a LAN in California. It could be done, but it is more expensive to travel coast-to-coast in the USA, I know this...but it could be done.
I actually think your most recent big LAN (GXL?) had quite an impressive turnout, sort of event you can build on and build on really as a community. If you really want a great community LAN, you need to show the support (I'd love to attend a community based LAN in North America).
[quote=elliott_][quote=Hildreth]A serious suggestion if you really only value ESEA for it's LAN - Why not make one of your local LAN events (GXL, ETS) or something an i-series equivalent? There was that recent one which had a lot of attending players, now if you do it perhaps during the summer, it will attract a bigger audience and allow NA scene to have a "must-do" LAN and as a community we can fund your best teams there and maybe one day Euros and Australians. I-series didn't become such a big deal in Europe because Americans attended, it was still THE LAN and it was all down to the community turnout at i40 and i43 surpassing anything we'd ever seen before.
Of course, having a regular LAN decider is a big thing for the scene, we'd love it in Europe despite having the summer i-series. Hence why a lot of the top teams signed up for ESEA in the hope that by sticking to it, we can see something similar appear eventually.[/quote]
The shear cost of transporting people across the US makes it much more difficult. I'm not 100% on how your infrastructure is in EU, but over here almost all long distance travel is by plane.[/quote]
I won't doubt this but people come in from all over Europe, including Eastern Europe, and considering UK is on the Western end of Europe, that is pretty impressive. It is like people from New York going to a LAN in California. It could be done, but it is more expensive to travel coast-to-coast in the USA, I know this...but it could be done.
I actually think your most recent big LAN (GXL?) had quite an impressive turnout, sort of event you can build on and build on really as a community. If you really want a great community LAN, you need to show the support (I'd love to attend a community based LAN in North America).
I was considering playing in Open, but FUCK that now.
I was considering playing in Open, but FUCK that now.
The upload thing doesn't surprise me too much, VAC does the same thing, actually seems to be a pretty common feature in ACs just its used to upload screenshots that the AC itself takes normally. In VAC if the AC heuristics detects something it hasn't seen before in memory, it uploads the thing in question to Valve and they test it on their end to see if they need to flag it as a cheat or not.
The questionable thing is if ESEA really can just upload anything rather than just what is in memory, which I'm only not taking at face value because this was legal talk and legal stuff usually handles tech really poorly and doesn't communicate that stuff really well.
Not at all surprised about the bitcoin stuff tho.
The upload thing doesn't surprise me too much, VAC does the same thing, actually seems to be a pretty common feature in ACs just its used to upload screenshots that the AC itself takes normally. In VAC if the AC heuristics detects something it hasn't seen before in memory, it uploads the thing in question to Valve and they test it on their end to see if they need to flag it as a cheat or not.
The questionable thing is if ESEA really can just upload anything rather than just what is in memory, which I'm only not taking at face value because this was legal talk and legal stuff usually handles tech really poorly and doesn't communicate that stuff really well.
Not at all surprised about the bitcoin stuff tho.
bigpoopyKilling confirmed Zionist?
By far my favorite post
[quote=bigpoopy]Killing confirmed Zionist?[/quote]
By far my favorite post
flatlinehttp://play.esea.net/index.php?s=news&d=comments&id=13341
ESEA responds
(to the bitcoin stuff, not the "haha fuck you entire NA tf2 community" backdoor stuff)
Referenced post #73 by tattoli3XD
im just glad that your idiocy didnt go unchecked to be completely honest
#73 if you say so, but writing a check to be done with everything isn't really a big deal
[quote=flatline]http://play.esea.net/index.php?s=news&d=comments&id=13341
ESEA responds
(to the bitcoin stuff, not the "haha fuck you entire NA tf2 community" backdoor stuff)[/quote]
Referenced post #73 by tattoli3XD
im just glad that your idiocy didnt go unchecked to be completely honest
#73 if you say so, but writing a check to be done with everything isn't really a big deal
In case anyone missed it:
To check if the driver is still installed open Command Prompt and enter driverquery and press enter. You're looking for ESEADriver2 ESEADriver2 Kernel 5/3/2013 4:16:51 AM
If it's there, the driver is still installed.
OR to make it easier you can enter the following into command prompt: driverquery | findstr ESEA*
If the driver is installed you'll get the following:
C:\Users\>driverquery | findstr ESEA*
ESEADriver2 ESEADriver2 Kernel 5/3/2013 4:16:51 AM
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[–]globallyoffensiveThe Global Elite 17 points 4 hours ago*
Uninstalled the client months ago, still on my machine.
Edit:
If, like me, the driver is still present after uninstalling the client, these steps may work:
Start -> Device Manager
View -> Show Hidden Devices
Expand "Non-Plug and Play Drivers"
Right click "ESEADriver2" -> Uninstall
It prompted me for a reboot (and I am in the middle of an essay) but it should work. If not, something real fishy is going on...
From the Reddit thread linked earlier. It pains me to know that some people will still play on this client because of LAN that only features 4 of the hundred of teams we have. Pathetic.
In case anyone missed it:
[quote]To check if the driver is still installed open Command Prompt and enter driverquery and press enter. You're looking for ESEADriver2 ESEADriver2 Kernel 5/3/2013 4:16:51 AM
If it's there, the driver is still installed.
OR to make it easier you can enter the following into command prompt: driverquery | findstr ESEA*
If the driver is installed you'll get the following:
C:\Users\>driverquery | findstr ESEA*
ESEADriver2 ESEADriver2 Kernel 5/3/2013 4:16:51 AM
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[–]globallyoffensiveThe Global Elite 17 points 4 hours ago*
Uninstalled the client months ago, still on my machine.
Edit:
If, like me, the driver is still present after uninstalling the client, these steps may work:
Start -> Device Manager
View -> Show Hidden Devices
Expand "Non-Plug and Play Drivers"
Right click "ESEADriver2" -> Uninstall
It prompted me for a reboot (and I am in the middle of an essay) but it should work. If not, something real fishy is going on...
[/quote]
From the Reddit thread linked earlier. It pains me to know that some people will still play on this client because of LAN that only features 4 of the hundred of teams we have. Pathetic.
[img]http://i.imgur.com/fxcqc8S.png[/img]
heh
Had esea client downloaded, fun stuff to remove the tracker FUN STUFF
Had esea client downloaded, fun stuff to remove the tracker FUN STUFF
Usually every time i visit the esea website my malware indicator pops up stating threat is detected........just saying
Usually every time i visit the esea website my malware indicator pops up stating threat is detected........just saying
Niko_JimsIn case anyone missed it:
Start -> Device Manager
View -> Show Hidden Devices
Expand "Non-Plug and Play Drivers"
Right click "ESEADriver2" -> Uninstall
Mine is still installed but ESEAdriver2 doesn't show up here, how can I get rid of it?
For the record it's been well over a year since ESEA client has been on my computer at all.
EDIT: it seems to be ~\AppData\Local\Temp\ESEADriver2.sys
[quote=Niko_Jims]In case anyone missed it:
Start -> Device Manager
View -> Show Hidden Devices
Expand "Non-Plug and Play Drivers"
Right click "ESEADriver2" -> Uninstall
[/quote]
Mine is still installed but ESEAdriver2 doesn't show up here, how can I get rid of it?
For the record it's been well over a year since ESEA client has been on my computer at all.
EDIT: it seems to be ~\AppData\Local\Temp\ESEADriver2.sys
Just to clear up, the CEVO client is all safe and sound right?
Also, does this mean esea should die out for team fortress 2?
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Just to clear up, the CEVO client is all safe and sound right?
Also, does this mean esea should die out for team fortress 2?
[spoiler]dreams of getting humiliated in open are crushed[/spoiler]
How about all American teams switch over to ETF2L?
If enough American teams sign up for season 17, ETF2L would be able to put them into their own seperate divisions. That could keep the scene going until a better solution is figured out.
How about all American teams switch over to ETF2L?
If enough American teams sign up for season 17, ETF2L would be able to put them into their own seperate divisions. That could keep the scene going until a better solution is figured out.
come to ozfortress guys :)
come to ozfortress guys :)