First of all, to snowiie, I apologise on behalf of my team regarding any miscommunication about mercs, although I hold no responsibility whatsoever in the team itself.

We had to use a solly merc because our main has real-life stuff to deal with, and our sub is afk. A spy merc was also used since our main is afk (but later able to play after the 15 minute mark, we actually was able to 8v9.) We had to call our main solly away from his real life stuff, while waiting for him our mercs were in spec on standby, in case they actually changed their minds and allow mercs. Mercs were ready to leave anytime anyhow was ready (which they weren't because apparently it became a game of "you go first" and had to make our mercs leave.) So while waiting for our solly to join, like the two before me had already said, they just left the server without any prior warning or prompts, not even asking if we'd like to start with 8 only or a reschedule.

Though I would agree that it's irresponsible of our leaders to not inform you guys of the mercs.

Team Anyhow demonstrated that the rules are not irconclad in all aspects by waiting double the amount of time allowable to start the match. You cannot expect teams to wait indefinitely, I'm sorry but you can't. You were not ready by 30+ minutes past the start time and gave ZERO indication that you would be ready in the immediate future. Had this issue been brought to our attention as it was happening live I would have requested Team Anyhow to hang on a little bit longer as a show of good faith. However I would not have forced them to do so because they had already waited long enough. It's also not fair to force a rematch when you broke the rules. Why should Team Anyhow be penalized because your team was inadequately prepared to play when you agreed to play. If Team Anyhow was willing and available to rematch then I would have given it my blessing.

I'm sorry that you feel like you've lost on a technicality. In reality you lost because of poor planning.

When did they use 5? It was only nastyyy and rubik's who was the planned ringers for the semi-finals as far i know.

So, you guys could ask HNM's leader if they wanted to delay the match but you couldn't do the same for your semi-final's match against Daddy's?!

Typical long list of hypocrisy from you and your most of your shitty team-mates!

spider-pigs will be actually real.

ACTUAL cat&dogs will rain from the sky.

Mole people will rise from the undergrounds and be smoking weed 420 blazing it.

eXtine's sideburns will just fall off.

If this ever happens

rofl if a team didn't ready up in 30 minutes after match time id just leave too and take my ffw

Snow, what you said about apex was partly true. But I would like to say that we required 2 mercs which Anyhow Only disallowed. This being said, we already lost to Anyhow only before in one of the week's matches. Even if we had that 2 mercs, unless they were god-like and have crazy skills, we still wouldn't have been able to win. All 9 of us were there (including 2 mercs). I even suggested a 7v9, but there was no reply. I requested the forfeit for Apex was because we knew you guys won't budge even if you already had that game in the bag. Rexy was relating everything hunter said in pm to me. I'm pretty sure hunter was quite impatient and getting frustrated. Being a really kind guy, I knew that Team Anyhow only had put in their time to be there. Not wanting to waste anymore of their time, I requested for the forfeit. If I can recall correctly, hunter did say in chat that since we didn't have enough players, we need to forfeit. I was somewhat pressured to say "we forfeit this game".

Team Anyhow did say they would wait 15 min, but why were you in such a hurry to leave? I know the rules state 15 min, but it was my team's last match of the season, we just wanted to have fun before the ending. After i requested the forfeit, I check what server hunter went to since he seemed impatient and needed to do something else. Is a jump server really more important than a UGC match? I'm sure you guys already knew you were going to roll us, and just thought the match was a waste of time.

Congrats on reaching the finals, I wish Team Anyhow only luck in their last match. They will really need it.

Must be nice for Anyhow Only... getting into the Finals by playing only 1 Playoffs match.

Is tf.tv importing drama from Asia now?

Hi, I'm one of the spectators who was in SourceTV watching the pre-game, and I have a few questions that I'd like clarified, if I may (which preferably both teams would answer):

1. Did daddy's inform anyhow before the match about the mercs, whether through Steam or match comms?

2a. If yes, how did anyhow react?

2b. If no, why not?

3. Did daddy's use mercs themselves in the regular season match?

4. Did anyhow contact daddy's leaders during the playoff match, warning them that a forfeit would be called if the waiting dragged any longer?

5a. If yes, what action was taken by daddy's leader(s)?

5b. If no, why not?

6. Did daddy's communicate to anyhow that they were ready to play 7v9 at any point before anyhow left?

7. Did daddy's communicate to anyhow that they were getting their main roster player in before anyhow left?

8. To daddy's: I've heard hearsay that the two mercs are "basically members" or something similar, and hence the rules should not be "followed to the letter". If that is true, such as nasty having been mercing "since the start of the season", why are members like him and Rubiksguy not in the roster?

9. What does anyhow feel like daddy's could have communicated better, and vice versa?

10. Does anyhow feel that daddy's had been responsible and practiced due diligence (declared what they needed to declare, communicated information effectively, be punctual), and vice versa?

11. Does anyhow and daddy's agree that with better communication, responsibility and planning, all of this could have been avoided?

Thanks if you guys would take the time to answer. It would be much better if all leaders were consulted of their answers and opinions before a reply is made.

Only in SEA

Let me try to settle this once and for all...

Daddys Home was using the same roster they used to beat Anyhow Only during the regular season. Anyhow Only had no complaints then, so Daddys Home assumed (incorrectly) that there would be no issue this time either.

Daddys Home (my team) fucked up with the logistics by not confirming this, but we assumed that since we practically knew everybody in Anyhow Only since we pugged/pubbed regularly that we could sort things out amicably and gameplay could still continue.

Well obviously we all know that did not happen and now a few friendships have been strained.

I've personally put this match behind me (hell, it's only a game about hats after all). We'll just see what happens next season if we play each other again.

I'm curious about this part. Did you declare your mercs for the regular season match?

Yes, they knew we had mercs during our regular season match with them. I'm not sure why they ignored it then. Maybe it was because Anyhow Only came late that match.

*shrugs* Doesn't matter now.

hey no, I was playing osu ok

also, rude

Assuming to get your mercs accepted in an higher-stakes official? Good luck with that.

Hello once again here is another message from my leader in response to Caldoran's post
"1. No.

3.They used 4 instead of the restricted 2 that they told me.

4.Yes. to Chrissy.

5a.All they told me is wait,they are getting players.

6.No they did not.

7.Yes they did told us they are trying to get more players,but ultimately dragged too long.

9.I think they should have inform us of mercs in matchcomms.

10.No.I also would want to add that daddy's match against my team on regular season,they did not post any matchcomms.They did not post
anything about agreeing on the time,they have mercs planned,6-7 hours before the match time change.When we agreed on the time few days
back before the match in steam chat, I even told them remember to agree on the time in matchcomms but they did not do so.

11.Yes.Which has been my priority,It's certainly not easy to do I must say, but I managed to do so.The pressure from
trying to get all 9 players together for scrims and matches,ultimately led me to not wanting to oraganize/lead a team for next season.
So, good luck to daddy's if they are participating next season, and all the other teams out there that are participating as well.A"

Thank you for your time

You used 4 mercs(Neel,Rubiks,Nasty,Fororin).We have 2 (Jihyo,Moosepi).
http://imageshack.us/a/img208/8732/qphb.jpg

Same roster?

So hyped!

So bringing UGC 6s into highlander with a team that has no relation at all besides some of the players are inside the same highlander team has to do with us making you guys forfeit because you were 30 minutes late.
Also for my UGC 6s team all the teams that have forfeited have forfeited by choice.
Are you really so dissatisfied that you are willing to make up stories to make yourself feel better?

go and sleep kid it's wayyyy past your bed time or you have to go and prepare for school. stop being in front of your pc and go to school.

Hope your team can give us a good final against Blessed. As much we would love to see you guys get rolled again like your Div 1 semi-final against MEJ but please give a good fight and give us a good match as it's a final. Thanks buddy.

Honestly Jopper your posts seem to be filled with nothing but blind hatred which has clouded your judgment and rationality. I've read nothing but personal insults, underhanded accusations and most importantly, a complete lack of willingness to accept any responsibility in the matter from your and daddy's members' posts.

Take your response to snowblindfrog for example, in which you blatantly ignore all the valid and reasonable points he puts forward and dedicate a post to sarcastically reply to a single sentence. Or to Teejay's and Spiky's posts, which were replied to with either personal insults or hate-filled, sarcastic remarks.

At the very least the leader(s) of anyhow has (preferably have) taken the few minutes to respond to my questions to offer their perspective and to clarify the situation after the entire incident has been made public globally on these forums, while you continue to single out people or sentences to continue demonstrating just how angry you are at this supposed "injustice". Additionally, while their posts may show slight signs of irritation, they are surely more rational and level-headed than the aggression and accusations put forward by the other posters.

You go on and on about sportsmanship, but is sportsmanship really just repeatedly accomodating your opponents even when oneself is unable to or doesn't need to accomodate any further? How about having adequate preparations and properly declaring what needs to be declared before a match? Is it sportsman-like to repeatedly insult your opponents before, during and after a dispute and drag their name through the mud publicly while alluding to their supposed unethical tactics in an unrelated team in another game format?

Food for thought.

As a bystander who merely watched the SourceTV and heard a lot of conflicting information from both sides I may not be directly involved, but from the information I've seen (and there's plenty of it to be found in the answers Snowy have posted to my questions), the burden of responsibility (or lack thereof) is clear in this case. Should daddy's disagree, I invite them to answer my questions to offer their perspective for everyone to see, so the truth can be made clear and we can finally put this matter to rest.

It's confirmed finally , it's gonna be 10pm gmt+9 Sunday which is 8am EST/5am PST Saturday I guess.
Sorry for taking this long.

30 mins late? That's early for HL.

That's the regular season right? What I meant was we were using TWO mercs (Nasty,Rubiks) for our Semifinals. The rest were from our regular roster, no new mercs were used.

It's our fault for not clarifying the mercs we would use. So when Hunter asked Chrissy to get our regular roster, he agreed. But Hunter pulled a dick move by pretending to wait for our roster to arrive, then silently quitting the server without allowing us to start with 8.

And the 30 minutes you guys keep talking about, it was more like 15 minutes since not all of you arrived at 9 sharp and you left before 9:30PM.

In the end no matter whose side is wrong it doesn't change the fact that Bless played 3 Playoff matches to get to the Finals, while Anyhow Only only played 1.

Cald, i got nothing to do with daddy's for one. I'm just friends with 3 of them and while Anyhow i'm friends with 3 of them too. And best part in Anyhow i got 2 of them i know personally and only 1 of them in daddy i know personally.

Like i said i understand and i accepted snowblind's decision but the main reason why i am furious to the likes of Teejay and Spiky is because these people are the biggest idiots and the biggest hypocrites that always gets away with everything they do and it absolutely disgusts me and it's killing the asian community that i used to know when it was actually good.

My actions in here if you guys think i'm defending and trying to get cry out some justice for daddy's then that's dead wrong. I'm seriously tired with the lack of sportsmanship and the big amount of hypocrisy showed by MOST of the the idiots roster-ed in Anyhow (not you Sakii & Tharnos <3 you guys are the best).

Even daddy's leaders and teammates have already accepted the fact that they lost the match when the decision was made. What i posted and attacked Spiky and Anyhow is because i have enough of them getting away with everything without anyone actually telling and standing up against them and telling them in their faces.

Like i recall in the PUG that you, me and Cloverella was spectating and cuteman was sniping 24/7. Why didn't you had the balls to say anything to cuteman during that PUG when he was clearly being a hypocrite?

Because Teejay is your boy don't you try to defend that kid when you yourself know deep down that these guys are going somewhat over board with your alter autistic egos that is slowly killing the community.

Ask yourself why most people have quit playing in Asia Fortress too and why i personally have not bothered playing in Asian scene all these years.

Also is Teejay's balls yet to pop out for him to respond to me and had to tell his home boy Caldoran to do it?

Ok i will stop all this aggression and i'm going put this all behind and i'm going to move on. I wish Blessed good luck and all the best and congrats in advance on winning the 1st place medal. Enjoy your season 11 2nd place medal Anyhow going to look really shiny. :]

Back to the main matter in hand. Get a Euro caster for this maybe? I don't think eXtine or kips will be up this early. lol

u r a q t btw hyuri <3

No disrespect meant to any of you guys (all of you are much much much better than me), but all this drama is making us (the asian community) look really bad right now... (at least in my opinion)

In other words, your rage is fueled not purely by what you feel is an injustice against daddy's, but also because of various members in anyhow who you perceive are "destroying the community" for other unrelated actions I am honestly unaware about.

I didn't step in to "defend" Teejay and spiky because they're my "homeboys" or they asked me to, or whatever. I stepped in because I've been seeing repeated personal attacks, insults and plenty of low-blow accusations thrown against anyhow as a whole ever since the dispute, with your posts in this thread being some of the most rampant.

As I said, you go on and on about sportsmanship and hypocrisy, but have you even read the posts and actions made by daddy's members, or are you going to let your prior bias against anyhow's members cloud your judgment again? Changing their Steam names to things like "Can't win? Force it!", alluding to supposed "forced forfeits" in an unrelated 6v6 team, posting bitter and aggressive posts in this thread...Is that sportsmanship? How is that "accepting the fact that they lost the match when the decision was made"? It just reeks of dissatisfaction and hatred if you ask me.

The case for daddy's was weak from the start and I believe until now, correct me if I'm wrong, they still refuse to accept any responsibility and blame for the outcome of the match, and are utterly convinced that anyhow used the tiniest of technicalities to force a forfeit win while no wrong was committed on daddy's side.

On the completely unrelated offclassing note, I did not "have the balls" to say anything against Cuteman because I did not believe anything good would have come out of it. Yeah, he got mad. Yeah, you embarrassed him. Yeah, spammah also piled onto him with you. That was cool, and I applauded you for it. And yet, what good was accomplished? One person to realize he's a hypocrite? Does that mean he's going to stop? What's the net effect on the community?

I honestly do not know what's your beef against anyhow's members, or the people who you feel are single-handedly "ruining the Asian community", and truthfully I do not wish to know. To me, various members in both anyhow and daddy's are my friends, and I've spoken to plenty of them to get an insight on exactly what happened. What I see from your posts is that you have let your anger and bias cloud your judgment, which has in turn distorted the events and painted anyhow in an unfairly negative light. That's why I asked those questions to objectively clarify and make known what happened, which have unfortunately still not been answered by both sides together.

I'm happy that you are willing to put your aggression behind you, and I hope that both anyhow and daddy's are too. At the very least, we could at least end on a non-aggressive note, though I would still prefer if the truth was objectively made known not just from one side.

i wonder why.

my main argument here is why haven't they step in and answer me back? Or why are you guys going behind my back and attacking daddy's leader behind my back. Talk to me here or on Steam or in a server. I'm right there. I agree we both are on the third party but in all honesty. If it's me or my team that's being attack RAMPANTLY i would step in myself and try to shut up the person that's being on rampant. I don't need a white knight keyboard trying to prove the idiot on rampant.

when your team loses a semi-final match under the same circumstances i would love to see your reaction. Reaching so far into the semi-finals and just for it to end up losing like that you expect someone who had put in so much effort and practice to forget something like that in just space 4 days? I believe after 3-4 days everything died out it's just only me ranting over here.

This is the kind of attitude that makes people likes of Cuteman to get away and do whatever he wants with everything. "Oh, if i say anything nothing will happen also lah. So i keep quite lor. I just keep sucking their dicks better so i also can go div 1 faster like them." If someone would have stepped in and shut idiots up like him from the start the cancers and tumors in our god-forsaken pick up games would have been long gone. I can see why spammah is tired and too lazy to say anything now days because the cancer is too big to cut off.

great. i think you already got that anyways.

Thanks.

All the best to both teams in the Finals. Good luck have fun.

I'm not answering or posting on anyhow's behalf, just as you aren't for daddy's. I'm offering my counterpoints to your posts in the hopes that you could perhaps see what I see. I don't know why they have not posted in response to your posts; Perhaps they see nothing to reply to, or they do not wish to exacerbate the situation; I'm not sure.

I've mentioned to members of daddy's that I can sympathize with their situation and can only imagine the frustration they must feel; However, that isn't an adequate justification for the way they are acting and what they have posted in my opinion. I hope you can at least agree those actions are not exactly sportsman-like.

Either way, the issue has more or less blown over, though the negative emotions on both sides certainly remain. As a person with friends on both teams, I wish for nothing more than reconciliation between the two teams, as, has been mentioned, several relationships have been strained or broken.

As a player in the Asian scene, I also hope that both the grand finals and bronze ranking matches would be epic and exciting to watch, and not end once again in the disappointment of the semi-finals match.

cald, stop sucking their dicks till deep-throat.

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