jesus mustard please

LOL

hurt_feelings

are you actually 9

you should take a deep breath or ten...you are going to give yourself an aneurysm

i think ur too passionate about the game

I really like the idea of putting an emphasis on the charging mechnaic.
It makes sense that uncharged stickies/close range stickies deal less damage while mid-ish-long range deal decent damage.

Somewhat punishes "brain-less" while rewarding more charging and precision.

O flower of Scotland
When will we see your like again
That fought and died for
Your wee bit cap and cart
And stood against him
Proud Redmond's army
And sent them homeward
All blown apart

The pills are spammed now
And autumn leaves lie thick and still
O'er spire o'Badlands
Where you would hit air pills
And stood against him
Proud Redmond's army
And sent them homeward
Tae think again

Those days are passed now
And in the past they must remain
For stickies are crap now
And though we might complain
We'll get destroyed by
Proud Redmond's heavy
Because our stickies
Only hit for 19

Beautiful

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ujr8dQJgQUU

the future

Implying that soldiers have to even aim to outdamage a demo atm? Lol.

when the email from valve rolls on in giving me a job as community weapon balance czar yall bitches will all be sorry

http://sizzlingstats.com/stats/235288
http://sizzlingstats.com/stats/235336
http://sizzlingstats.com/stats/235368

neither demo ran normal stickies

dingo was on cannonballs/targe the entire time

this game is amazing without stickies

except when plat puts up 6 fucking sr traps but were working on that

also lol @ random europeans talking to plat about aim while saying implying

go watch soccer or something you fucking clowns

You dont have to insult people to prove a point

your name is E-thug stfu idiot

thank you for your contribution to this conversation random european

at least my post actually talks about the fucking topic rather than getting upset over somebody's tone

i still dont understand why youd defend somebody whos ONLY post is "lol implying soldier is hard"

i hope its some kind of nationalism/eu v na thing because otherwise youre just being hypersensitive to something completely irrelevant

Why are you so vile towards Europeans?

Your contributions to this thread have been as relevant as the demo is currently.

Not only that but your only way to prove a point is using Ad hominem and personal insults. To be honest I don't know how you're not banned already.

if thats all you got out of my post you need to go play in traffic because youre going out of your way to get upset over something that was so far from the actual point

idk kaneco we get that youre in mourning over your favorite class but doesnt mean you need to hop in any time you see somebody arguing with me just to go "ya mason was mean to me too"

you still have no idea what the fuck youre talking about, somehow even less so than mustard

but to actually respond to your post,

where are your logs and demos of you trying new demo loadouts and testing the viability of them against the top teams in eu?

where is your empirical evidence that the class is "irrelevant" without tactical nuke -130 damage stickybombs?

are you doing anything besides crying that demo is doomed and theorycrafting how nothing could ever have the same effect that stickies did?

what if you actually played the fucking game and tried new shit instead of just losing your minds a change and throwing a fucking fit until big daddy valve changes it back?

sorry for partying

All i pointed out was that your discussion tehcniques are not that efficient, especially considering this is a discussion thread. Adding insult only makes your point flaccid. Also do note i didnt defend anyone.

There is little to be said about this whole thing anymore because most of whats worth saying has been said. Its just a matter of getting out your unlocks and test whatever works for you and your team. So far i've seen the loose cannon being quite effective but not that much of scottish resistance because its banned here in europe.

http://logs.tf/326876
http://logs.tf/326918

This game is shit without proper stickies.

Also lol @ random Americans thinking that 300 dpm is impressive

Go watch American football or something

This is how stupid that post was

nice div4 david lets post more logs of games that arent even close and then use them as evidence

touchdown europe!!!

also i think somebody hit 400 ddm without stickies in one of the logs so theres that

I also haven't played in 4 months. Your point?
And 5-2 5-0 2-5 logs are close?

this thread is stupid now

thanks for the update e-thug

this update was stupid

Yo, the Classic is fun as shit, you take that back.
Part of this update was dumb.

I would like to point out that a lot of the reason that Europeans have it harder here is that they don't have the targe or SR and have to use stock.

They would like to experiment with unlocks, but they'd rather do well this season and figure out how to work with stickies.

http://www.corbisimages.com/images/Corbis-AX030337.jpg?size=67&uid=ba6d9bfe-cd35-4ae4-bb9c-fe7b0abbff03

to me at least the change isn't really about the fact that demo's can't do damage now, it's that the game has become less fun. before demo could play aggressive during stalemates which was fun for the demo and fun if you didn't die like an idiot for the otherside, now the demo can be aggressive with the charge and just never fucking die and there isn't much more frustrating than feeling like you're doing well and doing like 40 damage and that applies to both the new stickies and vs targe with rockets & pipes.

The game has become much more flat as demo just seems to be about spamming pills or using the loose cannon to do more damage easier. the change to stickies itself is kind of lame, it places the sticky launcher into a similar position as the scottish resistance, a seemingly purely defensive sticky launcher, which seems silly because now two weapons inhabit the same role in the game. as a demoman now, you get facerolled if you try to play aggressive without someone babysitting you, who might as well be doing it instead, because you're primary weapon doesn't do enough damage to ward off people from holding w into you, let alone kill them.

the alternates for the sticky launcher are even worse to be in the game as they are even more boring to play against or more boring to play with. the scot res is actually the most boring thing in the game, put down a carpet of sticks and spam pills...yay demoman, you're class is now even more boring than with default! the targe is probably more fun than the other alternatives for the demoman but unless you're a scout that can just strafe out of the charge, it doesn't really feel like there is anything you can do to stop a charge which is especially true with the new tide turner crap, which is silly imo. overall the vanilla targe is the worst of the bunch because the game just doesn't feel rewarding as a soldier or demoman when fighting a targe demo.

the change hinders the offensive part of demoman and more or less leaves the defensive part alone, as demo you can still pill spam, sticky carpet, sticky trap, layer sticks into chokes by shooting them up into the air. meanwhile, demoman can't kill heavies or sentries (let alone wrangled ones) basically raping hl in the ass, and even if you don't like hl, places like gully and snake last are gonna be unbearable once people start running heavies & and engies or maybe even just heavies. the problem isn't that demoman was nerfed, it's that it was done in a fashion that made the game more boring overall imo

Well, I don't want to try the fucking unlocks, they are retarded, I bought tf2 and want to keep playing tf2 not some shit where you can't fucking attack anything because the team on defense has a huge advantage.