Won't be suprised if someone will run Sandman + Cleaver, it would make best med picks 2014

The thing is we can't ban stock weapons to my knowledge, so it would be very easy to just ban a few weapons and play regular 6v6.

Would like to see a pick/ban system where we could ban stickies, or stock medigun for example.

My tryhard avice regarding a usable lineup :

• Pocket soldier(any rocket launcher/reserve shooter/whip) OR pocket heavy (GRU/sandvich/stock minigun)
  
• Standard demo (can change items on mid or on last holds)
  
• Medic (xbow/quickfix/ubersaw)
  
• engineer (pomson/short circuit/gunslinger) OR combat spy (enforcer/dead ringer)
  
• Scout (either sandman/cleaver or mad milk/atomizer, any primary usable)
  
• A roaming class. It can be anything, from a market gardener solly to a jarate sniper, a stock roamer, a second scout, a tomislav heavy, a revolver spy, anything. If it was me i'd run a revolver spy as well as the already described engineer.

Badlands = Wrangled Sentry/Mini sentry on Spire and/or Heavy, gg

nah dude, if you're allowed the vita saw you damn well better use that disruption of one of the most important mechanics of TF2 with some pride

Someone do this rollout on process: http://gfycat.com/MellowTepidArcticwolf

Idk, to me that's not that big of a deal compared to clutch ubersaw slices :p

You are correct, plugins are needed to disable them or change them into other weapons, whitelists can't disable stock weapons (you can block renamed or strange stock weapons though).

Don't forget how awesome the solemn vow is for intel either.

From the pool of unlocks I sort of know, the best loadouts for the cookie cutter classes (imo) are as follows (i wont attempt to know the actual names):

Scout: scatter, bonk, triple jump bat
Scout 2: super speed gun, cleaver, sandman
Pocket: liberty launcher, shotgun or the backpack that makes you take less damage, whip
Roamer: default or liberty launcher, gunboats or parachute, whip
Demo: stock, maybe switch the pipe launcher out for the loch n load
Medic: crossbow, quick-fix, solemn vow or vita saw

As an additional experiment, I'd be interested to see an exhibition restricting players to the 4 cookie cutter classes but unrestricting unlock use. That might better exemplify what would actually happen in "valves game" at the competitive level given that these 4 are still the most versatile/necessary in a comp situation. It might also alleviate the possibility that we see players playing the yolo classes just because it will in truth be the one time they can actually get away with doing so. Not that the off classes aren't part of the game, but just that the temptation to mess around with them might win over the experimental mission and purpose.

I'm not sue what the plan is for class limits, but I want to see 3 sandman scouts at a midfight. I think that + beggar's bazooka roamer would mean instant death for a few things.

Also someone should get a machina double kill.

Even you couldn't make the Classic work better, but maybe Valve will see that and give it that buff...

Liberty Launcher is really bad now. It got nerfed a while ago and is even legal in ESEA right now.
Why would you not run BFB (speed gun) and/or Crit-a-cola at all times? They're both insane with current stats (i.e. stupid enough to be banned in HL).

Uh, the Liberty Launcher is terrible. I believe you're thinking of the old LL (3 rockets, 40% faster rockets) but it's been changed to basically a straight downgrade... (4 rockets, -25% damage penalty)

6 medic uberchain

A lil competition for you viewers:

AMS/Kaptain have both bet a hat against each other on who will get the most airshots over all 3 maps, winner gets to keep their hat, the loser will giveaway their hat to the closest guess (including player name) posted here before the 1st map goes live. 3RD MAP GOES LIVE

18:50 - Buttnose: 18:49 - kaptain: LOL i'll smash that noob
18:53 - bk. AMS: im gonna fucking molest him

http://strawpoll.me/3189911

kaptain
first map 6
second 4
third 5

15 in total

AMS
first 5
second 5
third 4
14 in total

EDIT (3:22) Kaptain most airshots, 11 total.

kaptain 12

AMS
first map 6
second map 3
third map 7

16 total

kaptain 6 5 7

AMS
6
6
6

AMS
1st - 6
2nd - 7
3rd - 5

18 in total

kaptain 35

AMS
3
4
2

Unless we are going by logs, then add 2 to everything

kaptain
1st 10
2snd 9
3th 8
27 total

Kaptain:
39 total

WOW YOU GUYS ARE BETTING SO LOW!!

25+ THESE BOYS HAVE GOT BIG BALLZ

kaptain - 18

Kaptain 23 airshots total