http://www.hltv.org/match/2294431-avant-garde-immunity-faceit-league-2015

Look at the player to watch, hltv giving sheep that recognition.

is dere some secret to vidya games i dont know how are dez nerds so good

Yeah, it's called practice.

http://www.twitch.tv/faceittv
Avant Garde is playing soon if you guys want to see sheep play.

ded

god dammit hltv is so fuckin aids

It's true tho, TF2 sniping is ezpz.

Yeah, on the other hand 1 shotting everyone with awp is so hard, specially when csgo movement is so much more slow paced and predictable.Why cant it be easy like tf2?

if u actually think movement in cs is easier than sniper movement in tf2 you need your head checked

and so do the 13 retards who actually plus fragged this comment, congrats guys u understand cs even less than the hltv troll understands tf2!

I think he meant the snipers targets? Solid input though.

Hitting a head is harder than hitting and entire body.

ok

do u see how youre taking 1 aspect of a much larger thing and then acting like it tells the whole story? yea hitting the head is harder, but u also arent facing targets that are able to tear your head off at any range. as a tf2 sniper you can post up at an angle and not worry about pop flashes, getting smoked out etc, hell if youre kept above 150 you dont even have to worry about the enemy sniper prefiring u.

is there shit in tf2 sniping that takes skill and isnt in cs? obviously, but when you congregate in tf2 boards and repeat over and over that tf2 is better, that tf2 should be more popular, that tf2 is HARDER, its embarrassing. get over yourselves

It's two completely different things. The difficult bit about sniping in csgo is map positioning and awareness and altering your own movement intelligently to make shots. The difficult part of sniping in tf2 is simply that everything moves so quickly - making your accuracy the most impressive feat of a shot.

In TF2 you have all the time in the world to aim if you are positioned correctly. In CS, if you take more than .1 seconds to shoot them, they're gonna take your head off. Sure, the mechanical part of aiming might be harder in TF2, but in action CS sniping is a whole different level.

i bet you're gold nova LOL

youre a benchwarmer for a tf2 team, maybe hold off on the elitism?

sniping in tf2 is harder in theory, but sniping in go is enough easier that the best awpers in the world are expected to have ungodly high hit rate and to take their shots ridiculously fast

plus the player pool is obviously bigger so the likelihood of having lots of god-tier snipers is higher

I guarantee that kennys and guardian would be like top 5 snipers in the world in tf2 even tho its a different game

They are both too different from each other. In CS, you are mostly holding fixed angles, the enemies are slower and you have a huge hitbox where you can one-shot people. BUT, you can be smoked, flashed, people can one-shot you with an AK47 from distance and you can't shoot while walking.

In TF2 the other classes can't do much against you if you are far enough and you don't have to deal with recoil due to walking BUT you have to hit headshots, the targets are fast and each class run at different speeds and you have to deal with airbourne targets.

In the 500 hours I have of CSGO, I can play better with an AWP than I can with an sniper in the almost 5000 hours I have of TF2 (I main soldier ok).

I only watch CSGO but as far as I can tell the only real difference between it and TF2 6s is pacing. CSGO is more about team tactics and TF2 is more about tech skill like aim and movement, but they're both about both.

CSGO snipers have to be fast to avoid getting killed.
TF2 snipers have to be precise in order to get their pick without alerting the enemy team to their player advantage. And when they're getting attacked they have to be precise enough to hit the head and fast enough to avoid getting killed.

pretty sure TF2 sniping is harder but that's not supposed to diss CSGO. It's just a different game with less emphasis on that kind of stuff.

this means LITERALLY nothing because we have no frame of reference as to what "better with an awp" means except your own (flawed) perspective

comparing theoretical "hardness" is a totally pointless exercise. i can say concretely that what KennyS does for Titan is 10x more impressive than what sheep did for iM.

tf2 is a video game that is hard in some ways and csgo is a video game that is hard in other ways.

It's only the huge amount of competition and popularity surrounding CS that makes KennyS AWP plays so great. Nobody knows for sure how well he would do sniping in TF2 competitively and how much of his actual FPS skill transitions over; I'm honestly willing to bet not that much though. They are completely different ways of sniping with their own huge learning curves.

The only time I've ever seen an Invite AWPer picking up sniping in TF2 was m0E, and the guy missed enough shots in a pub that you could tell no matter how much AWPing experience he had he was still incredibly new.

Dude, I'm just talking about my own experience, I never said it was a fact that AWPing is easier than Snipering for everybody. In the part of my post you ignored, I said that it's different and why so, and how they can be harder in different ways. What you could say is that AWPing is more about reaction time and positioning and Snipering is more about raw aiming.

They are different as I said in the first phrase of my other post, but in my own experience, I have more difficulty with playing sniper than with AWPing.

YOU can't say shit about anything "concretely"

http://behance.vo.llnwd.net/profiles/80737/projects/4852661/dc3b5316820a81da4308ff31608e230b.jpg

the term raw aim is meaningless. in cs you peek and have to react in an instant, its tough and you need to hit a body sized target in that instant. in tf2 you peek and have more time to aim, its a smaller target, but you have more time to line the shot up. you have an easier time playing with the awp because the people you play against arent able to punish you, again its not really reflective of comparing the top level of either game.

worth mentioning that the zoom fov in both games is different so muscle memory is different. obviously hes not going to start banging heads left and right with 0 muscle memory.

I always like seeing players from other games, especially good players, trying their hand at TF2. m0E has absolutely no idea how little teamwork and communication actually happens in a normal Valve server pub compared to a cs game lol

That's exactly what I said

And, ONCE AGAIN, since the first line of my first post in here I said it's DIFFERENT to play with an AWP and with a Sniper. And I, PERSONALLY, have more difficulty to play with a sniper even though I have much more experience with TF2 than I have with CSGO.

Start reading my whole posts before you reply, god damnit.

too far :(

i really dont know why this is difficult for you but the concept of "aim" isnt simple

reaction time and aim are fundamentally linked, to say one game requires more reaction time, and one requires more aim is a misnomer. during the process of aiming you are constantly reacting as the target shifts, the better you are at REACTING to those shifts the better your aim will be.

i would argue that awping is a better demonstration of "raw aim" because its aiming on a single tick, you peek and fire instantly, no corrections. the fundamental skills on display are the same.