nah

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The hell is a looser?

This is bad because...

Yes

Though I agree with banning the Loose Cannon.. The way you’ve constructed your criticism against it was horrible m8.

That's an issue in comp? If you think that's the case allow me to direct you to /r/tf2

I'm a demo main, and have 0 problem with the loose cannon and almost never use it, because it's only really powerful situationally. Pipes are better in almost every situation. In my opinion the loose cannon is only worth it on defense/Uber disadvantage or occasionally on a stalematey game. Also saying that it takes no skill is silly, you have twice as much to think about, aiming and timing as opposed to just one.

Yeah, I agree it should be banned, but you're not really giving any good arguments except MAYBE 'Takes no skill'
It should be banned because:
- Can completely deny an uber by just clicking at a choke from the right distance
- Can one shot a medic around a corner (141 damage + fall damage)
- Sends people flying away
- Double donks are too random for a competitive game (debatable)

When you think about it, if you hit every double donk, it's a better weapon in a lot of situations. A lot of maps have chokes that feel like they've been made for the loose cannon, and double donking is really not that hard; if you practice with it for a few hours you get the hang of it pretty fast. I feel like it's also way too good to get scouts/soldiers away from you because it can just send them flying although only dealing 60 damage or so if you don't double donk them.

god forbid they give demo men more weapons to deal with pesky scouts

If you're hitting every double donk it isn't random. Don't argue two mutually exclusive things.

You can get random lucky double donks, and some people that's all they do. But in order for it to be better than pipes you have to actually have very good timing with it.

It doesn't require good aim though, which imo is the biggest problem. It needs a reduction in projectile size so you have to be precise like pipes.

Fair enough. I do feel like the angle at which it sends people flying away does add randomness to the double donks, but maybe that's just me and I'm just not good enough with it.

Hitreg of cannonballs the size of a heavy ✓
Doubledonk medics to kill them inmediettly ✓
Basically pyro airblast with a fuckhuge range ✓
make extra jump while mid-air ✓
SEems PRETTY balanced

the real random part is which direction you go when you get hit

i love getting hit as pocket and sailing into the enemy combo's loving embrace!!!

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Theres actually a bug with it where if you direct someone with it and then you direct them with it again and the one on the ground exploded it counts as a double donk

I dont like the loose cannon either but your post is so awful that I want to disagree with u

Shitty thread to respond to but on a serious note I don't get why it hasn't been nerfed or at the very least banned in comp. The cannon ball is massive, it's incredibly easy to hit splash so that you are essentially guaranteed damage, and getting random picks at chokes by just spamming at a particular distance is just silly. Uncharged cannons shouldn't donk and either the splash radius/damage or cannon ball radius needs to be nerfed. In theory I like the idea of knockback and carefully timed double donks as it offers an interesting sidegrade to pipes but atm the weapon requires very little precision and rewards mindless spam more than any other weapon in the game.

MM is coming and you want to start banning weapons that were never banned before. Might as well just stop playing the game now as you won't like what the future holds.

pls allow airstrike and parachute then lololoolol

Like sideshow said, the only nerf it would need to be more balanced would be the decrease in projectile size, although some people say the speed of the projectile should be decreased as well. And people have already said, but the loose cannon is better than pipes only if you can hit all your double donks which is pretty hard imo.

if blaze and clock can't get the community behind banning this weapon no one can rofl

In addition, I think having the pushback work more similarly to other projectiles so it can be strafed and has predictable pushback is also a key point.

Yes

Matchmaking will bring in more balanced unlocks because matchmaking will be used by Valve as a tool to gather data about unlock use and they will use said data to try to balance the game. This doesn't mean we should start allowing unbalanced unlocks.

what about reducing ammo from 4 to 3 as a nerf?
Or reduce pushback force

this weapon made me quit tf2 its so stupid and lucky!!!!

really minor balance changes like ammo nerfs really dont effect the actual cause of the imbalance, which is that this can one hit 1/2 of the classes in 6's fairly reliably. what really needs to happen is a 120~ max damage from a double donk, which means that its nearly impossible to one hit a class with the weapon. as far as pushback force goes, i'd like to see a reduction in the single hit knockback so that it's actually possible to push through a choke while being spammed at, but still rewards you for hitting a double in some way.

i think the concept of the loose cannon is really interesting and definitely deserves a place as a sidegrade to stock, because cooking your grenade launcher is definitely by far the most interesting alternative to stock that exists in the game currently, but i agree that it's overpowered as is. however, i dont think that warrants a ban honestly, we should definitely be allowing as many unlocks as we can possibly stand to allow, if for nothing else to signal valve that we are on board with matchmaking as a way to unite the games communities

Good point, I too believe valve will nail this completely.

But really, the current spread on demo primaries is probably exactly where valve wants it. If MM data stays consistent with current 6v6 there is no way valve make a major balance change to loose cannon based on how much use it sees.

we can't change the game, only the way we play it.

a weapon ban in competitive is like saying "the top 1% of players think this weapon makes the game less fun", and that's about the strongest message we can give Valve tbh.

have u considered using ur a or d keys to avoid the projectile while moving through chokes

standing still also works very well