MrFahr3nheithttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9cMTp4xd1R8
tf2 is dead now guys, a tf2 youtuber said so
closing time, you don't have to go home but you can't stay here
I like how he tries to prove its OP because a bunch of people who can't aim died to him lol.
I personally think that when activating "mmph" the pyro should not have all of his health restored, maybe only half of it.
[quote=MrFahr3nheit]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9cMTp4xd1R8
tf2 is dead now guys, a tf2 youtuber said so
closing time, you don't have to go home but you can't stay here[/quote]
I like how he tries to prove its OP because a bunch of people who can't aim died to him lol.
I personally think that when activating "mmph" the pyro should not have all of his health restored, maybe only half of it.
truktrukFUNKeThe video isn't a discussion on the implications on the core mechanics of the game, it's a vent about a shitty weapon for pub play.
I don't think it's a shitty weapon for pub play when the weapon is inherently bad but forces bad players to develop basic game sense and awareness to easily counter the weapon.
I can't argue with that. Sorry for misconceiving the item impression in the video, I guess. I'm gonna take it down and learn more before i talk about stuff next time
[quote=truktruk][quote=FUNKe]
The video isn't a discussion on the implications on the core mechanics of the game, it's a vent about a shitty weapon for pub play.[/quote]
I don't think it's a shitty weapon for pub play when the weapon is inherently bad but forces bad players to develop basic game sense and awareness to easily counter the weapon.[/quote]
I can't argue with that. Sorry for misconceiving the item impression in the video, I guess. I'm gonna take it down and learn more before i talk about stuff next time
Forty-TwoFor the people who still have problems with contracts, rays updated rayshud a while ago to support these new contracts, so I went to his HUD's github page to find out how. Only hudanimations.txt seemed to be changed; replacing the existing QuestItem event stuff with his updated stuff seemed to work for me. For those too lazy to go to his github repo themselves, the relevant stuff is below:
Worked for me, hopefully it works for you too.
Rays our HUD hero, as per usual!
dude spoiler that shit
[quote=Forty-Two]For the people who still have problems with contracts, rays updated rayshud a while ago to support these new contracts, so I went to his HUD's github page to find out how. Only hudanimations.txt seemed to be changed; replacing the existing QuestItem event stuff with his updated stuff seemed to work for me. For those too lazy to go to his github repo themselves, the relevant stuff is below:
Worked for me, hopefully it works for you too.
Rays our HUD hero, as per usual![/quote]
dude spoiler that shit
so far every pub i've played is filled with people going 'why did they nerf the SKILLED pyro weapons' as they waddle into an ubered phlog pyro and blame their death on a 10% damage increase
so far every pub i've played is filled with people going 'why did they nerf the SKILLED pyro weapons' as they waddle into an ubered phlog pyro and blame their death on a 10% damage increase
FUNKetruktrukFUNKeThe video isn't a discussion on the implications on the core mechanics of the game, it's a vent about a shitty weapon for pub play.
I don't think it's a shitty weapon for pub play when the weapon is inherently bad but forces bad players to develop basic game sense and awareness to easily counter the weapon.
I can't argue with that. Sorry for misconceiving the item impression in the video, I guess. I'm gonna take it down and learn more before i talk about stuff next time
Naw don't be put off man. It IS a bad weapon, and the fact they buffed it is total nonsense. The weapon is now even easier to use and does a lot of damage. The fact you can't be killed once you get 225 damage with any weapon is crazy. Yes it's easy-ish to counter, but it's still a bad weapon and Valve's attempt at changing its properties only made it worse.
People are just mad because they think you're defending the pyro or something but this was a genuinely bad change. It's literally 225 damage for a full hp regen and kritz, and no effort on the part of the pyro. You can't even focus him down until he has the full hp and kritz, because before that he can taunt at any time. It's not OP, but it is stupid and a change in the wrong direction.
[quote=FUNKe][quote=truktruk][quote=FUNKe]
The video isn't a discussion on the implications on the core mechanics of the game, it's a vent about a shitty weapon for pub play.[/quote]
I don't think it's a shitty weapon for pub play when the weapon is inherently bad but forces bad players to develop basic game sense and awareness to easily counter the weapon.[/quote]
I can't argue with that. Sorry for misconceiving the item impression in the video, I guess. I'm gonna take it down and learn more before i talk about stuff next time[/quote]
Naw don't be put off man. It IS a bad weapon, and the fact they buffed it is total nonsense. The weapon is now even easier to use and does a lot of damage. The fact you can't be killed once you get 225 damage with any weapon is crazy. Yes it's easy-ish to counter, but it's still a bad weapon and Valve's attempt at changing its properties only made it worse.
People are just mad because they think you're defending the pyro or something but this was a genuinely bad change. It's literally 225 damage for a full hp regen and kritz, and no effort on the part of the pyro. You can't even focus him down until he has the full hp and kritz, because before that he can taunt at any time. It's not OP, but it is stupid and a change in the wrong direction.
SideshowFUNKetruktrukFUNKeThe video isn't a discussion on the implications on the core mechanics of the game, it's a vent about a shitty weapon for pub play.
I don't think it's a shitty weapon for pub play when the weapon is inherently bad but forces bad players to develop basic game sense and awareness to easily counter the weapon.
I can't argue with that. Sorry for misconceiving the item impression in the video, I guess. I'm gonna take it down and learn more before i talk about stuff next time
Naw don't be put off man. It IS a bad weapon, and the fact they buffed it is total nonsense. The weapon is now even easier to use and does a lot of damage. The fact you can't be killed once you get 225 damage with any weapon is crazy. Yes it's easy-ish to counter, but it's still a bad weapon and Valve's attempt at changing its properties only made it worse.
People are just mad because they think you're defending the pyro or something but this was a genuinely bad change. It's literally 225 damage for a full hp regen and kritz, and no effort on the part of the pyro. You can't even focus him down until he has the full hp and kritz, because before that he can taunt at any time. It's not OP, but it is stupid and a change in the wrong direction.
are u having problem shooting 2 rockets at a pyro without airblast? EDIT: oh its u sideshow 4Head
[quote=Sideshow][quote=FUNKe][quote=truktruk][quote=FUNKe]
The video isn't a discussion on the implications on the core mechanics of the game, it's a vent about a shitty weapon for pub play.[/quote]
I don't think it's a shitty weapon for pub play when the weapon is inherently bad but forces bad players to develop basic game sense and awareness to easily counter the weapon.[/quote]
I can't argue with that. Sorry for misconceiving the item impression in the video, I guess. I'm gonna take it down and learn more before i talk about stuff next time[/quote]
Naw don't be put off man. It IS a bad weapon, and the fact they buffed it is total nonsense. The weapon is now even easier to use and does a lot of damage. The fact you can't be killed once you get 225 damage with any weapon is crazy. Yes it's easy-ish to counter, but it's still a bad weapon and Valve's attempt at changing its properties only made it worse.
People are just mad because they think you're defending the pyro or something but this was a genuinely bad change. It's literally 225 damage for a full hp regen and kritz, and no effort on the part of the pyro. You can't even focus him down until he has the full hp and kritz, because before that he can taunt at any time. It's not OP, but it is stupid and a change in the wrong direction.[/quote]
are u having problem shooting 2 rockets at a pyro without airblast? EDIT: oh its u sideshow 4Head
If I remember correctly, the 'earliest' thing something got added before it was usable was the Fall 2013(?) key or crate, which was put in but not findable/buyable until a month or so later.
However, that doesn't really indicate much as the Beta pass will likely be given to select groups of people in a testing phase before it is publicly purchasable.
If I remember correctly, the 'earliest' thing something got added before it was usable was the Fall 2013(?) key or crate, which was put in but not findable/buyable until a month or so later.
However, that doesn't really indicate much as the Beta pass will likely be given to select groups of people in a testing phase before it is publicly purchasable.
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FUNKetruktrukFUNKeThe video isn't a discussion on the implications on the core mechanics of the game, it's a vent about a shitty weapon for pub play.
I don't think it's a shitty weapon for pub play when the weapon is inherently bad but forces bad players to develop basic game sense and awareness to easily counter the weapon.
I can't argue with that. Sorry for misconceiving the item impression in the video, I guess. I'm gonna take it down and learn more before i talk about stuff next time
Naw don't be put off man. It IS a bad weapon, and the fact they buffed it is total nonsense. The weapon is now even easier to use and does a lot of damage. The fact you can't be killed once you get 225 damage with any weapon is crazy. Yes it's easy-ish to counter, but it's still a bad weapon and Valve's attempt at changing its properties only made it worse.
People are just mad because they think you're defending the pyro or something but this was a genuinely bad change. It's literally 225 damage for a full hp regen and kritz, and no effort on the part of the pyro. You can't even focus him down until he has the full hp and kritz, because before that he can taunt at any time. It's not OP, but it is stupid and a change in the wrong direction.
Literally all you have to do when he taunts is back off, sure he shouldn't regenerate ALL of his hp by taunting, but when he taunts you have time to walk out of his range and even possibly set a sticky trap which will kill.
[quote=Sideshow][spoiler][quote=FUNKe][quote=truktruk][quote=FUNKe]
The video isn't a discussion on the implications on the core mechanics of the game, it's a vent about a shitty weapon for pub play.[/quote]
I don't think it's a shitty weapon for pub play when the weapon is inherently bad but forces bad players to develop basic game sense and awareness to easily counter the weapon.[/quote]
I can't argue with that. Sorry for misconceiving the item impression in the video, I guess. I'm gonna take it down and learn more before i talk about stuff next time[/quote] [/spoiler]
Naw don't be put off man. It IS a bad weapon, and the fact they buffed it is total nonsense. The weapon is now even easier to use and does a lot of damage. The fact you can't be killed once you get 225 damage with any weapon is crazy. Yes it's easy-ish to counter, but it's still a bad weapon and Valve's attempt at changing its properties only made it worse.
People are just mad because they think you're defending the pyro or something but this was a genuinely bad change. It's literally 225 damage for a full hp regen and kritz, and no effort on the part of the pyro. You can't even focus him down until he has the full hp and kritz, because before that he can taunt at any time. It's not OP, but it is stupid and a change in the wrong direction.[/quote]
Literally all you have to do when he taunts is back off, sure he shouldn't regenerate ALL of his hp by taunting, but when he taunts you have time to walk out of his range and even possibly set a sticky trap which will kill.
I don't think you're understanding. My point is that the change is completely the wrong way to make this weapon viable, have a niche, be skillful to use - literally any hallmark of a good weapon in a game is missing and even made worse by this change.
I'm not saying it's OP, it's just a bad change. They made it even easier to use a pooplord weapon.
I don't think you're understanding. My point is that the change is completely the wrong way to make this weapon viable, have a niche, be skillful to use - literally any hallmark of a good weapon in a game is missing and even made worse by this change.
I'm not saying it's OP, it's just a bad change. They made it even easier to use a pooplord weapon.
they've updated the pass attributes a few times this shouldn't be really implicative of anything
they've updated the pass attributes a few times this shouldn't be really implicative of anything
[img]https://i.gyazo.com/3443be2f986a67552e6d0e15a3a8b769.png[/img]
Actually the phlog buff was one of the best things to ever happen to the game. Here are the classes that would have some difficulty depending on the situation killing or running away from the phlog:
Engie
Sniper
Heavy
Spy
Pyro
Here are the classes that can quickly get away from the phlog:
Scout
Soldier
Demo
Medic
Obviously valve wants pubbers to give up on maining lame offclasses
Actually the phlog buff was one of the best things to ever happen to the game. Here are the classes that would have some difficulty depending on the situation killing or running away from the phlog:
Engie
Sniper
Heavy
Spy
Pyro
Here are the classes that can quickly get away from the phlog:
Scout
Soldier
Demo
Medic
Obviously valve wants pubbers to give up on maining lame offclasses
retrogradetfw medic sounds appealing now....
^this is 100% what theyre going for by the way, they want more medic mains for mm :)
I want to see how the vacci works outside of last now. Its really fun now either way tho
[quote=retrograde]tfw medic sounds appealing now....
^this is 100% what theyre going for by the way, they want more medic mains for mm :)[/quote]
I want to see how the vacci works outside of last now. Its really fun now either way tho
can we unban quickfix now
can we unban quickfix now
https://www.reddit.com/r/tf2/comments/3xe3dn/how_i_feel_about_the_pyro_nerfs/
not sure whether to put this on r/tf2 cringe thread or here
Apparently degreaser is bugged and doesn't benefit at all from the increased "switch away" speed, so changing to your secondary is like you're using stock.
Pyro mains (should) probably stop whining once that gets fixed.
Apparently degreaser is bugged and doesn't benefit at all from the increased "switch away" speed, so changing to your secondary is like you're using stock.
Pyro mains (should) probably stop whining once that gets fixed.
xattuueeethey didn't normalize the class though, they just nerfed it without adding a compensation
the degreaser is still better than the stock by a wide margin
it'll continue to be until they actually add a new mechanic to the stock flamethrower
stop shit posting oh my god, everything you post here has like -40 million
that's not even a shitpost considering its pretty much undebatably true
Degreaser is still the best and the class is worse than it was pre update.
[quote=xattuu][quote=eee]they didn't normalize the class though, they just nerfed it without adding a compensation
the degreaser is still better than the stock by a wide margin
it'll continue to be until they actually add a new mechanic to the stock flamethrower[/quote]
stop shit posting oh my god, everything you post here has like -40 million[/quote]
that's not even a shitpost considering its pretty much undebatably true
Degreaser is still the best and the class is worse than it was pre update.
FUNKepeople took the dead game thing seriously? that's sad
I feel that people who are in a position such as yours, i.e. YouTubers and Twitch streamers have a responsibility to be careful about what they say, lest their fans take it as gospel. If yourself or Uncle Dane or Star or muselk or b4nny say "the game is dead", even as a joke, there are tens or hundreds of thousands of people who will hear that, and many of them may not catch on to the joke. Then it just kind of propagates.. the internet is, unfortunately, full of people who will just repeat opinions they've heard from community heads, without doing any critical thinking of their own.
If there's anything that could spoil the big things that are coming for this game, it's negative opinions like this from the community, and close-mindedness. Even if it's a joke. Because these sentiments like to spread.
[quote=FUNKe]people took the dead game thing seriously? that's sad[/quote]
I feel that people who are in a position such as yours, i.e. YouTubers and Twitch streamers have a responsibility to be careful about what they say, lest their fans take it as gospel. If yourself or Uncle Dane or Star or muselk or b4nny say "the game is dead", even as a joke, there are tens or hundreds of thousands of people who will hear that, and many of them may not catch on to the joke. Then it just kind of propagates.. the internet is, unfortunately, full of people who will just repeat opinions they've heard from community heads, without doing any critical thinking of their own.
If there's anything that could spoil the big things that are coming for this game, it's negative opinions like this from the community, and close-mindedness. Even if it's a joke. Because these sentiments like to spread.
eeexattuueeethey didn't normalize the class though, they just nerfed it without adding a compensation
the degreaser is still better than the stock by a wide margin
it'll continue to be until they actually add a new mechanic to the stock flamethrower
stop shit posting oh my god, everything you post here has like -40 million
that's not even a shitpost considering its pretty much undebatably true
Degreaser is still the best and the class is worse than it was pre update.
they decreased damage dropoff on flames so the pyro overall does more damage, the class is only worse because they removed the airblast stun (which should never have existed in the first place)
[quote=eee][quote=xattuu][quote=eee]they didn't normalize the class though, they just nerfed it without adding a compensation
the degreaser is still better than the stock by a wide margin
it'll continue to be until they actually add a new mechanic to the stock flamethrower[/quote]
stop shit posting oh my god, everything you post here has like -40 million[/quote]
that's not even a shitpost considering its pretty much undebatably true
Degreaser is still the best and the class is worse than it was pre update.[/quote]
they decreased damage dropoff on flames so the pyro overall does more damage, the class is only worse because they removed the airblast stun (which should never have existed in the first place)
the class is worse because the only way it has to do actual useful damage was nerfed
airblast stun was stupid and should be removed, but switch times were essential for the class to actually not get fucked when using anything but shotgun
the class is worse because the only way it has to do actual useful damage was nerfed
airblast stun was stupid and should be removed, but switch times were essential for the class to actually not get fucked when using anything but shotgun
If the ubercharge build on arrows proves too powerful then they should make the 1st arrow give 10% and all further arrows give no more than 3-5% for like 4s or something, that way you still get a lot of ubercharge for hitting that big arrow but can't build way too quickly on lasts.
Phlog isn't a good unlock when compared to the old degreaser but I think people are underestimating its use when you play around it with a team. Like you can whip and uber a phlog pyro with the crits and it fucks everything. (obvs not in 6es but whip and phlog are banned anyway lol)
In any case the core mechanics of pyro are pretty dumb and the whole class needs a pretty big rework to be a viable class that doesn't rely on weird gimmicks.
I think the same could also be said for engi and heavy though, it would nice to see the classes do something more than just "build area denial machine" or "be area denial machine" without being completely broken.
If the ubercharge build on arrows proves too powerful then they should make the 1st arrow give 10% and all further arrows give no more than 3-5% for like 4s or something, that way you still get a lot of ubercharge for hitting that big arrow but can't build way too quickly on lasts.
Phlog isn't a good unlock when compared to the old degreaser but I think people are underestimating its use when you play around it with a team. Like you can whip and uber a phlog pyro with the crits and it fucks everything. (obvs not in 6es but whip and phlog are banned anyway lol)
In any case the core mechanics of pyro are pretty dumb and the whole class needs a pretty big rework to be a viable class that doesn't rely on weird gimmicks.
I think the same could also be said for engi and heavy though, it would nice to see the classes do something more than just "build area denial machine" or "be area denial machine" without being completely broken.
[quote=BumFreeze]https://www.reddit.com/r/tf2/comments/3xe3dn/how_i_feel_about_the_pyro_nerfs/
not sure whether to put this on r/tf2 cringe thread or here[/quote]
[img]http://i.imgur.com/NbxXXKr.png[/img]
Remember when everyone on reddit was calling Demo mains whiny bitches when stickies did like 20 damage. Where are all the people calling Pyro mains whiny bitches for complaining about a nerf that isn't even close to the scale of the Demo one
Remember when everyone on reddit was calling Demo mains whiny bitches when stickies did like 20 damage. Where are all the people calling Pyro mains whiny bitches for complaining about a nerf that isn't even close to the scale of the Demo one
Max_Remember when everyone on reddit was calling Demo mains whiny bitches when stickies did like 20 damage. Where are all the people calling Pyro mains whiny bitches, for complaining about a nerf
Expectations. Everyone knows Pyro mains are going to act like Pyro mains. And there are so goddamn many of them.
[quote=Max_]Remember when everyone on reddit was calling Demo mains whiny bitches when stickies did like 20 damage. Where are all the people calling Pyro mains whiny bitches, for complaining about a nerf[/quote]
Expectations. Everyone knows Pyro mains are going to act like Pyro mains. And there are so goddamn many of them.
Max_Remember when everyone on reddit was calling Demo mains whiny bitches when stickies did like 20 damage. Where are all the people calling Pyro mains whiny bitches for complaining about a nerf that isn't even close to the scale of the Demo one
because reddit hated stickies on the whole before L&W update but shitloads of them are pyro mains
[quote=Max_]Remember when everyone on reddit was calling Demo mains whiny bitches when stickies did like 20 damage. Where are all the people calling Pyro mains whiny bitches for complaining about a nerf that isn't even close to the scale of the Demo one[/quote]
because reddit hated stickies on the whole before L&W update but shitloads of them are pyro mains
oh my god i'm having too much fun reading reddit right now
https://www.reddit.com/r/tf2/comments/3xe0vt/how_the_tough_break_update_skillcapped_the_pyro/
another pyro mainWARNING: VULGAR LANGUAGE
It's almost like valve took the complaints of soldier/demo/etc saying "Pyro is hard to fight against" and made their dreams come true. If it's hard to fight against, don't fucking get within range, and if you do, use shotgun. Yes soldiers, that means getting rid of your gunboats every once in a while, I know, gross. Competitive, by nature, means that you will be challenged. If you don't like being challenged, don't fucking play competitive. Like I've said a million times in pubs (I even had a bind for this at one point), "If you get killed by an M1 Pyro, its your fault, you got within range, you overstepped, YOU fucked up". You can't blame the enemy for your mistake. If you really don't like playing against Pyro, don't play Highlander. For fucks sake, B4nny plays sixes almost exclusively, and rarely runs into a Pyro. He also doesn't understand Pyro mechanics as demonstrated in his rant, and that's a key part of defeating your enemy, knowing how they work. He really has no ground to stand on. Being a top level competitive player does not mean you have the authority or knowledge to make decisions about a class you almost never encounter or play. Gamesense, pill aim, rocket jumping mechanics, etc. do not contribute to a better understanding of Pyro.
To be entirely honest, I'm considering selling my backpack and uninstalling this game. If valve is going to shit on me so hard and outright ignore what's important, fuck this game.
Note 1: they didn't really bother to fix any of the actually important issues with Pyro, such as backpedaling flame particles, airblast wonkyness, etc.
Note 2: I realize the change isn't super significant numbers-wise, but it is a game changer.
i'm in fucking tears holy shit
oh my god i'm having too much fun reading reddit right now
https://www.reddit.com/r/tf2/comments/3xe0vt/how_the_tough_break_update_skillcapped_the_pyro/
[quote=another pyro main]WARNING: VULGAR LANGUAGE
It's almost like valve took the complaints of soldier/demo/etc saying "Pyro is hard to fight against" and made their dreams come true. If it's hard to fight against, don't fucking get within range, and if you do, use shotgun. Yes soldiers, that means getting rid of your gunboats every once in a while, I know, gross. Competitive, by nature, means that you will be challenged. If you don't like being challenged, don't fucking play competitive. Like I've said a million times in pubs (I even had a bind for this at one point), "If you get killed by an M1 Pyro, its your fault, you got within range, you overstepped, YOU fucked up". You can't blame the enemy for your mistake. If you really don't like playing against Pyro, don't play Highlander. For fucks sake, B4nny plays sixes almost exclusively, and rarely runs into a Pyro. He also doesn't understand Pyro mechanics as demonstrated in his rant, and that's a key part of defeating your enemy, knowing how they work. He really has no ground to stand on. Being a top level competitive player does not mean you have the authority or knowledge to make decisions about a class you almost never encounter or play. Gamesense, pill aim, rocket jumping mechanics, etc. do not contribute to a better understanding of Pyro.
[b]To be entirely honest, I'm considering selling my backpack and uninstalling this game. If valve is going to shit on me so hard and outright ignore what's important, fuck this game.[/b]
Note 1: they didn't really bother to fix any of the actually important issues with Pyro, such as backpedaling flame particles, airblast wonkyness, etc.
Note 2: I realize the change isn't super significant numbers-wise, but it is a game changer.[/quote]
i'm in fucking tears holy shit
http://i.imgur.com/wx1Qapr.png
uh oh b4nny ud better watch out!
[img]http://i.imgur.com/wx1Qapr.png[/img]
uh oh b4nny ud better watch out!
http://imgur.com/gU22t2u
this can't be real
[img]http://i.imgur.com/SPCPePO.jpg[/img]