I am quite sad Valve decided to permaban them but im pretty sure everyone already knew it was coming and if they didnt permaban iBP they would have to revoke the permaban on epsilon too and I dont think valve would let people that steal money from their fans and the community to get off that easily. I was hoping that valve would let them coach but not play on the actual teams as they're really smart players who could give NA teams the boost they need to win a major :(
However, s1mple is joining liquid so we might see a team that could compete against some fairly high skilled eu teams soon
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I am quite sad Valve decided to permaban them but im pretty sure everyone already knew it was coming and if they didnt permaban iBP they would have to revoke the permaban on epsilon too and I dont think valve would let people that steal money from their fans and the community to get off that easily. I was hoping that valve would let them coach but not play on the actual teams as they're really smart players who could give NA teams the boost they need to win a major :(
However, s1mple is joining liquid so we might see a team that could compete against some fairly high skilled eu teams soon
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However, s1mple is joining liquid so we might see a team that could compete against some fairly high skilled eu teams soon
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Good call. Just because they are a fan favorite does not mean they should get off any easier.
I think Skadoodle needs to be looked into more as well, for any of you that have seen thorin's video you will know what I mean.
Good call. Just because they are a fan favorite does not mean they should get off any easier.
I think Skadoodle needs to be looked into more as well, for any of you that have seen thorin's video you will know what I mean.
I think Skadoodle needs to be looked into more as well, for any of you that have seen thorin's video you will know what I mean.
Red_That's true to an extent but I am fighting for epsilon as much as I am iBP. I'd clearly like to see iBP just because I cared about them more because they're from my home scene but epsilon deserves an unban just like I believe iBP does for a multitude of reasons.
Richard Lewis gave his statement which I believe has a lot of good stuff about it. Lot's of good points views etc if anyone cares to read it
https://www.facebook.com/RichardLewisReports/posts/530171213774588
tldr; Integrity is everything but I believe everyone deserves a second chance and these guys are not bad people
So I'll give you an argument I believe is very parallel to something about the bans
So what about those players caught on anti-cheats that isn't valve's? So for example mOE was caught cheating but not on VAC. I believe s1mple and Delpan were also BUT again not on VAC. They were caught on other anti-cheats that isn't valves. So why would valve not ban these people for similar bans like emilio and kqly for being vac banned.
The whole point of this is it wasn't valve's doing or wasn't on valve's watch or whatever I'm trying to say here
But match fixing on csgolounge in a CEVO league let's take a look at that. So csgolounge is not a valve run or valve owned site much like the anti-cheat of ESL (which I believe all of these players were banned on). And yet they care about that but not cheating on other anti-cheats. Hm so much for integrity. Also in support of that was that these were CEVO games (they were in iBP not sure about epsilon) they weren't in the Valve Major so why would they care about those when they clearly don't care if people cheat on other non-related anticheats? I'm curious because in my mind these two topics seem very parallel because they are both disassociated from Valve but they care about one and not the other. Please tell me if I am hugely mistaken here I actually would like to know. I'm ranting I really want these guys unbanned
If you let people fix matches just because you didn't own the major, teams would be match fixing left and right lol. Valve had to step in or else the reputation of the pro scene/csgo as a game would be ruined
[quote=Red_]That's true to an extent but I am fighting for epsilon as much as I am iBP. I'd clearly like to see iBP just because I cared about them more because they're from my home scene but epsilon deserves an unban just like I believe iBP does for a multitude of reasons.
Richard Lewis gave his statement which I believe has a lot of good stuff about it. Lot's of good points views etc if anyone cares to read it
https://www.facebook.com/RichardLewisReports/posts/530171213774588
tldr; Integrity is everything but I believe everyone deserves a second chance and these guys are not bad people
So I'll give you an argument I believe is very parallel to something about the bans
So what about those players caught on anti-cheats that isn't valve's? So for example mOE was caught cheating but not on VAC. I believe s1mple and Delpan were also BUT again not on VAC. They were caught on other anti-cheats that isn't valves. So why would valve not ban these people for similar bans like emilio and kqly for being vac banned.
The whole point of this is it wasn't valve's doing or wasn't on valve's watch or whatever I'm trying to say here
But match fixing on csgolounge in a CEVO league let's take a look at that. So csgolounge is not a valve run or valve owned site much like the anti-cheat of ESL (which I believe all of these players were banned on). And yet they care about that but not cheating on other anti-cheats. Hm so much for integrity. Also in support of that was that these were CEVO games (they were in iBP not sure about epsilon) they weren't in the Valve Major so why would they care about those when they clearly don't care if people cheat on other non-related anticheats? I'm curious because in my mind these two topics seem very parallel because they are both disassociated from Valve but they care about one and not the other. Please tell me if I am hugely mistaken here I actually would like to know. I'm ranting I really want these guys unbanned[/quote]
If you let people fix matches just because you didn't own the major, teams would be match fixing left and right lol. Valve had to step in or else the reputation of the pro scene/csgo as a game would be ruined
Richard Lewis gave his statement which I believe has a lot of good stuff about it. Lot's of good points views etc if anyone cares to read it
https://www.facebook.com/RichardLewisReports/posts/530171213774588
tldr; Integrity is everything but I believe everyone deserves a second chance and these guys are not bad people
So I'll give you an argument I believe is very parallel to something about the bans
So what about those players caught on anti-cheats that isn't valve's? So for example mOE was caught cheating but not on VAC. I believe s1mple and Delpan were also BUT again not on VAC. They were caught on other anti-cheats that isn't valves. So why would valve not ban these people for similar bans like emilio and kqly for being vac banned.
The whole point of this is it wasn't valve's doing or wasn't on valve's watch or whatever I'm trying to say here
But match fixing on csgolounge in a CEVO league let's take a look at that. So csgolounge is not a valve run or valve owned site much like the anti-cheat of ESL (which I believe all of these players were banned on). And yet they care about that but not cheating on other anti-cheats. Hm so much for integrity. Also in support of that was that these were CEVO games (they were in iBP not sure about epsilon) they weren't in the Valve Major so why would they care about those when they clearly don't care if people cheat on other non-related anticheats? I'm curious because in my mind these two topics seem very parallel because they are both disassociated from Valve but they care about one and not the other. Please tell me if I am hugely mistaken here I actually would like to know. I'm ranting I really want these guys unbanned[/quote]
If you let people fix matches just because you didn't own the major, teams would be match fixing left and right lol. Valve had to step in or else the reputation of the pro scene/csgo as a game would be ruined
But doesn't cheating regardless of where it was caught also count towards "Integrity and Fair Play" ? The fact that it was a CEVO game is slightly irrelevant. The correlation there is that both are completely disconnected not valve affiliated at all and yet Cheaters aren't banned BUT match fixing is?
But doesn't cheating regardless of where it was caught also count towards "Integrity and Fair Play" ? The fact that it was a CEVO game is slightly irrelevant. The correlation there is that both are completely disconnected not valve affiliated at all and yet Cheaters aren't banned BUT match fixing is?
After having discussions with people on twitter, I think this just goes to show that punishments should be outlined ahead of time for offenses directly relevant to the game. "Esports laws" so to speak. That way, we really wouldn't even need to have a discussion whether they should be banned for life. Then people would know ahead of time the potential consequences for their actions.
After having discussions with people on twitter, I think this just goes to show that punishments should be outlined ahead of time for offenses directly relevant to the game. "Esports laws" so to speak. That way, we really wouldn't even need to have a discussion whether they should be banned for life. Then people would know ahead of time the potential consequences for their actions.
It definitely sucks for the banned players that they had to wait a year just to hear "yeah btw, you're permanently banned," but obviously the players did a really shitty thing. Part of me wishes they are unbanned because they were so fucking good and entertaining to watch, but on the other hand, it was unquestionably awful to exploit a gambling site.
It's extremely disappointing to me that I'll never see dazed and swag play in a competitive CS environment ever again.
It definitely sucks for the banned players that they had to wait a year just to hear "yeah btw, you're permanently banned," but obviously the players did a really shitty thing. Part of me wishes they are unbanned because they were so fucking good and entertaining to watch, but on the other hand, it was unquestionably awful to exploit a gambling site.
It's extremely disappointing to me that I'll never see dazed and swag play in a competitive CS environment ever again.
It's extremely disappointing to me that I'll never see dazed and swag play in a competitive CS environment ever again.
gecksAfter having a discussions with people on twitter, I think this just goes to show that punishments should be outlined ahead of time for offenses directly relevant to the game. "Esports laws" so to speak. That way, we really wouldn't even need to have a discussion whether they should be banned for life. Then people would know ahead of time the potential consequences for their actions.
This would be much easier to accomplish if the entire game was unified under one league. But nooooo...
Unrelated to you, I feel that a lot of the people wanting them unbanned had a personal connection or liked them. This should make it no less different, and Valve took a neutral standpoint.
[quote=gecks]After having a discussions with people on twitter, I think this just goes to show that punishments should be outlined ahead of time for offenses directly relevant to the game. "Esports laws" so to speak. That way, we really wouldn't even need to have a discussion whether they should be banned for life. Then people would know ahead of time the potential consequences for their actions.[/quote]
This would be much easier to accomplish if the entire game was unified under one league. But nooooo...
Unrelated to you, I feel that a lot of the people wanting them unbanned had a personal connection or liked them. This should make it no less different, and Valve took a neutral standpoint.
This would be much easier to accomplish if the entire game was unified under one league. But nooooo...
Unrelated to you, I feel that a lot of the people wanting them unbanned had a personal connection or liked them. This should make it no less different, and Valve took a neutral standpoint.
TangyyI think Skadoodle needs to be looked into more as well, for any of you that have seen thorin's video you will know what I mean.
for those out of the loop/too lazy to watch thorin's video, skadoodle participated in the throw but chose not to receive any skins gained from the throw
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I think Skadoodle needs to be looked into more as well, for any of you that have seen thorin's video you will know what I mean.[/quote]
for those out of the loop/too lazy to watch thorin's video, skadoodle participated in the throw but chose not to receive any skins gained from the throw
[url=https://twitter.com/Thooorin/status/684530018773536769?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw]relevant tweet[/url]
I think Skadoodle needs to be looked into more as well, for any of you that have seen thorin's video you will know what I mean.[/quote]
for those out of the loop/too lazy to watch thorin's video, skadoodle participated in the throw but chose not to receive any skins gained from the throw
[url=https://twitter.com/Thooorin/status/684530018773536769?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw]relevant tweet[/url]
gecksAfter having discussions with people on twitter, I think this just goes to show that punishments should be outlined ahead of time for offenses directly relevant to the game. "Esports laws" so to speak. That way, we really wouldn't even need to have a discussion whether they should be banned for life. Then people would know ahead of time the potential consequences for their actions.
Well, the major problem with this is Valve didn't even go halfway with this when they first encountered matchfixing with the Dota 2 player Solo. They made an announcement at TI after a 12 month ban (maybe? might be off) that future endeavors related to matchfixing would result in a permanent ban, but they didn't make a blog post or an announcement of any kind outside the realm of Dota 2, implying that this rule was created to exist solely within Dota 2 and relate to the International. Rather than the precedent of matchfixing punishment now resting on the shoulders of 9 or so permabanned CSGO players, it should be set properly, like it could have been with Solo.
[quote=gecks]After having discussions with people on twitter, I think this just goes to show that punishments should be outlined ahead of time for offenses directly relevant to the game. "Esports laws" so to speak. That way, we really wouldn't even need to have a discussion whether they should be banned for life. Then people would know ahead of time the potential consequences for their actions.[/quote]
Well, the major problem with this is Valve didn't even go [i]halfway[/i] with this when they first encountered matchfixing with the Dota 2 player Solo. They made an announcement at TI after a 12 month ban (maybe? might be off) that future endeavors related to matchfixing would result in a permanent ban, but they didn't make a blog post or an announcement of any kind outside the realm of Dota 2, implying that this rule was created to exist solely within Dota 2 and relate to the International. Rather than the precedent of matchfixing punishment now resting on the shoulders of 9 or so permabanned CSGO players, it should be set properly, like it could have been with Solo.
Well, the major problem with this is Valve didn't even go [i]halfway[/i] with this when they first encountered matchfixing with the Dota 2 player Solo. They made an announcement at TI after a 12 month ban (maybe? might be off) that future endeavors related to matchfixing would result in a permanent ban, but they didn't make a blog post or an announcement of any kind outside the realm of Dota 2, implying that this rule was created to exist solely within Dota 2 and relate to the International. Rather than the precedent of matchfixing punishment now resting on the shoulders of 9 or so permabanned CSGO players, it should be set properly, like it could have been with Solo.
this is more or less just confirming what we have already known, semmler said on his stream a few months ago that valve had no intention of repealing the bans
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TI0MXS8eIG0
IMO valve announcing this really helps them, because now people can start rallying for league unbans before the year is over.
to be honest it is pretty likely that they will be unbanned by leagues because something like 90% of players think one year is a fair ban length
this is more or less just confirming what we have already known, semmler said on his stream a few months ago that valve had no intention of repealing the bans
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TI0MXS8eIG0
IMO valve announcing this really helps them, because now people can start rallying for league unbans before the year is over.
to be honest it is pretty likely that they will be unbanned by leagues because something like 90% of players think one year is a fair ban length
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TI0MXS8eIG0
IMO valve announcing this really helps them, because now people can start rallying for league unbans before the year is over.
to be honest it is pretty likely that they will be unbanned by leagues because something like 90% of players think one year is a fair ban length
Will be interesting to see who C9 pick up to replace sean now that they can't get swag
Will be interesting to see who C9 pick up to replace sean now that they can't get swag
Thats really shitty... I'm not surprised though, money corrupts people. Thousands of dollars are on the line.
They really threw hard though 16-4 when they were supposed to win... wtf
Thats really shitty... I'm not surprised though, money corrupts people. Thousands of dollars are on the line.
They really threw hard though 16-4 when they were supposed to win... wtf
They really threw hard though 16-4 when they were supposed to win... wtf
What stops any of them from say making a new steam account, buying CS go, playing their way up the ranks, getting into comp at a low level, and working their way up to the top again?
What stops any of them from say making a new steam account, buying CS go, playing their way up the ranks, getting into comp at a low level, and working their way up to the top again?
esports is more than just games with friends now, its a multi million dollar business that punishes cheaters/match fixers/anyone taking advantage of other players, and especially fans. sad to see potential lost but there has to be a strong position on this, and im glad valve is keepin it a life time ban
esports is more than just games with friends now, its a multi million dollar business that punishes cheaters/match fixers/anyone taking advantage of other players, and especially fans. sad to see potential lost but there has to be a strong position on this, and im glad valve is keepin it a life time ban
h0b5t3rWhat stops any of them from say making a new steam account, buying CS go, playing their way up the ranks, getting into comp at a low level, and working their way up to the top again?
we know what they look like, how would they possibly play
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we know what they look like, how would they possibly play
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deetrh0b5t3rWhat stops any of them from say making a new steam account, buying CS go, playing their way up the ranks, getting into comp at a low level, and working their way up to the top again?
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Different haircuts, stop shaving or start shaving, put on a little or loose some weight, and their is money to be made online also, not saying I think that what they should do, I'm just saying Valve doesn't really have a way to enforce this.
[quote=deetr][quote=h0b5t3r]What stops any of them from say making a new steam account, buying CS go, playing their way up the ranks, getting into comp at a low level, and working their way up to the top again?[/quote]
we know what they look like, how would they possibly play
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Different haircuts, stop shaving or start shaving, put on a little or loose some weight, and their is money to be made online also, not saying I think that what they should do, I'm just saying Valve doesn't really have a way to enforce this.
we know what they look like, how would they possibly play
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Different haircuts, stop shaving or start shaving, put on a little or loose some weight, and their is money to be made online also, not saying I think that what they should do, I'm just saying Valve doesn't really have a way to enforce this.
h0b5t3rdeetrDifferent haircuts, stop shaving or start shaving, put on a little or loose some weight, and their is money to be made online also, not saying I think that what they should do, I'm just saying Valve doesn't really have a way to enforce this.h0b5t3rWhat stops any of them from say making a new steam account, buying CS go, playing their way up the ranks, getting into comp at a low level, and working their way up to the top again?
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by the time they'd be able to win any money at all they'd be public enough that any disguise or alt would be totally transparent.
[quote=h0b5t3r][quote=deetr][quote=h0b5t3r]What stops any of them from say making a new steam account, buying CS go, playing their way up the ranks, getting into comp at a low level, and working their way up to the top again?[/quote]
we know what they look like, how would they possibly play
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Different haircuts, stop shaving or start shaving, put on a little or loose some weight, and their is money to be made online also, not saying I think that what they should do, I'm just saying Valve doesn't really have a way to enforce this.[/quote]
by the time they'd be able to win any money at all they'd be public enough that any disguise or alt would be totally transparent.
we know what they look like, how would they possibly play
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Different haircuts, stop shaving or start shaving, put on a little or loose some weight, and their is money to be made online also, not saying I think that what they should do, I'm just saying Valve doesn't really have a way to enforce this.[/quote]
by the time they'd be able to win any money at all they'd be public enough that any disguise or alt would be totally transparent.
Should've been a 1-2 year ban followed by the most public announcement possible where they state what their rules are for tournament play and what the consequences are for breaking them
Considering how esports is a relatively new and growing field this needs to be done. But its Valve so lmao good luck with communication from them
Should've been a 1-2 year ban followed by the most public announcement possible where they state what their rules are for tournament play and what the consequences are for breaking them
Considering how esports is a relatively new and growing field this needs to be done. But its Valve so lmao good luck with communication from them
Considering how esports is a relatively new and growing field this needs to be done. But its Valve so lmao good luck with communication from them
Red_I knew they were going to get perma banned but I had this hope. I can't get over how fucking ludicrous this is man. Fucking journalists and fucking reddit betting fuckers
sad day sorry for those guys
I wonder what leagues will let them compete in. Hopefully all of them allow them to play
Yeah fuck journalists for doing their job and providing for themselves/their families!
[quote=Red_]I knew they were going to get perma banned but I had this hope. I can't get over how fucking ludicrous this is man. Fucking journalists and fucking reddit betting fuckers
sad day sorry for those guys
I wonder what leagues will let them compete in. Hopefully all of them allow them to play[/quote]
Yeah fuck journalists for doing their job and providing for themselves/their families!
sad day sorry for those guys
I wonder what leagues will let them compete in. Hopefully all of them allow them to play[/quote]
Yeah fuck journalists for doing their job and providing for themselves/their families!
deetrh0b5t3rWhat stops any of them from say making a new steam account, buying CS go, playing their way up the ranks, getting into comp at a low level, and working their way up to the top again?
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we know what they look like, how would they possibly play
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daily reminder that insider trading is illegal regardless of the context.
daily reminder that insider trading is illegal regardless of the context.
most bullshit punishment ever.
im not sure about you guys, but i believe in second chances, everybody fucks up in life and everyone makes mistakes. these players dont deserve to have their whole career thrown down the dunny just because of a 5 second decision to throw a game that had no real significance behind whether they'd win or lose. fuck valve honestly, a 1 year ban is a suitable punishment, not this fucking bullshit "gotta make sure to set an example for all these plebs who think throwing is acceptable" attitude. a 1/2 year ban for these guys would of had the same effect on the community. as soon as you ban them for a year or two, THEN you make a statement saying that if any other player is caught throwing, they will be permanently banned from all valve tournaments and lans. you set the law, while still punishing the people who broke them
(even though there was no actual written rule about match fixing)
anybody who thinks valve did a good job handling the situation then im just gonna say youre a mong and leave it at that.
free ibp and epsilon.
most bullshit punishment ever.
im not sure about you guys, but i believe in second chances, everybody fucks up in life and everyone makes mistakes. these players dont deserve to have their whole career thrown down the dunny just because of a 5 second decision to throw a game that had no real significance behind whether they'd win or lose. fuck valve honestly, a 1 year ban is a suitable punishment, not this fucking bullshit "gotta make sure to set an example for all these plebs who think throwing is acceptable" attitude. a 1/2 year ban for these guys would of had the same effect on the community. as soon as you ban them for a year or two, THEN you make a statement saying that if any other player is caught throwing, they will be permanently banned from all valve tournaments and lans. you set the law, while still punishing the people who broke them
(even though there was no actual written rule about match fixing)
anybody who thinks valve did a good job handling the situation then im just gonna say youre a mong and leave it at that.
free ibp and epsilon.
im not sure about you guys, but i believe in second chances, everybody fucks up in life and everyone makes mistakes. these players dont deserve to have their whole career thrown down the dunny just because of a 5 second decision to throw a game that had no real significance behind whether they'd win or lose. fuck valve honestly, a 1 year ban is a suitable punishment, not this fucking bullshit "gotta make sure to set an example for all these plebs who think throwing is acceptable" attitude. a 1/2 year ban for these guys would of had the same effect on the community. as soon as you ban them for a year or two, THEN you make a statement saying that if any other player is caught throwing, they will be permanently banned from all valve tournaments and lans. you set the law, while still punishing the people who broke them
(even though there was no actual written rule about match fixing)
anybody who thinks valve did a good job handling the situation then im just gonna say youre a mong and leave it at that.
free ibp and epsilon.
methmaiden 5 second decision to throw a game that had no real significance behind whether they'd win or lose.
ya who cares about thousands of dollars? That's not really significant, free the ppl who defrauded the community!!11
[quote=methmaiden] 5 second decision to throw a game that had no real significance behind whether they'd win or lose.[/quote]
ya who cares about thousands of dollars? That's not really significant, free the ppl who defrauded the community!!11
ya who cares about thousands of dollars? That's not really significant, free the ppl who defrauded the community!!11
tbh I feel bad for the players, but there's precedent in sports for lifelong bans, and there should have been some knowledge that throwing would cause problems
sucks, but bad decisions have consequences
tbh I feel bad for the players, but there's precedent in sports for lifelong bans, and there should have been some knowledge that throwing would cause problems
sucks, but bad decisions have consequences
sucks, but bad decisions have consequences
deetrmethmaiden 5 second decision to throw a game that had no real significance behind whether they'd win or lose.
ya who cares about thousands of dollars that's not really significant, free the ppl who defrauded the community!!11
never once said what they did wasnt wrong. yeah, they SHOULD of known better then to do that shit, but people make dumb and quick decisions in life. these guys do need to be punished, im saying a 1/2 year ban would of had the same effect on the people who did fix these games, and the community would of known that this shit isnt gonna be tolerated if valve had given a follow up statement saying from now on this will be punishable by permaban
do you honestly think these guys would of thrown if they had known prior that they would be permabanned if they got caught?
[quote=deetr][quote=methmaiden] 5 second decision to throw a game that had no real significance behind whether they'd win or lose.[/quote]
ya who cares about thousands of dollars that's not really significant, free the ppl who defrauded the community!!11[/quote]
never once said what they did wasnt wrong. yeah, they SHOULD of known better then to do that shit, but people make dumb and quick decisions in life. these guys do need to be punished, im saying a 1/2 year ban would of had the same effect on the people who did fix these games, and the community would of known that this shit isnt gonna be tolerated if valve had given a follow up statement saying from now on this will be punishable by permaban
do you honestly think these guys would of thrown if they had known prior that they would be permabanned if they got caught?
ya who cares about thousands of dollars that's not really significant, free the ppl who defrauded the community!!11[/quote]
never once said what they did wasnt wrong. yeah, they SHOULD of known better then to do that shit, but people make dumb and quick decisions in life. these guys do need to be punished, im saying a 1/2 year ban would of had the same effect on the people who did fix these games, and the community would of known that this shit isnt gonna be tolerated if valve had given a follow up statement saying from now on this will be punishable by permaban
do you honestly think these guys would of thrown if they had known prior that they would be permabanned if they got caught?
do you honestly think people havent gone to jail for the SAME THING in other organized sports and that this is the first time an esport match has been fixed?
valve needed to punish these idiots. they couldve made all of the money they won in their dumb as fuck scandal by literally streaming for a few weeks as they were/are top NA CS players.
They abused the ONE THING in their life they had any respect in. These nerds LITERALLY DEDICATED THEIR LIVES TO CS and abused it. This is literally no different than an NFL quarterback throwing an interception on purpose in the 4th quarter to win a box pool his coworker bet on.
I don't think theres any organization in this country or world that gives a second chance for insider trading. people go to jail for insider trading. pretending they 'didnt know better' or 'wouldve thought twice if they knew "the rules"' to me, is a joke.
SO MANY people have dedicated themselves to esports... casters, journalists, tournament organizers, players, streamers, and these clowns took it upon themselves to illegitmize and undermine the one thing every one of you who play competitive games stands for in your day to day life.
everything about what they did screams incompetancy and a blatant lack of respect for the game they were playing and honestly people with that low of moral comprehension and standing have no place in an industry that is doing its best to grow and legitimize itself in a world of haters and parents who look down on people for 'gaming'.
FUCK
/end rant.
do you honestly think people havent gone to jail for the SAME THING in other organized sports and that this is the first time an esport match has been fixed?
valve needed to punish these idiots. they couldve made all of the money they won in their dumb as fuck scandal by literally streaming for a few weeks as they were/are top NA CS players.
They abused the ONE THING in their life they had any respect in. These nerds LITERALLY DEDICATED THEIR LIVES TO CS and abused it. This is literally no different than an NFL quarterback throwing an interception on purpose in the 4th quarter to win a box pool his coworker bet on.
I don't think theres any organization in this country or world that gives a second chance for insider trading. people go to jail for insider trading. pretending they 'didnt know better' or 'wouldve thought twice if they knew "the rules"' to me, is a joke.
SO MANY people have dedicated themselves to esports... casters, journalists, tournament organizers, players, streamers, and these clowns took it upon themselves to illegitmize and undermine the one thing every one of you who play competitive games stands for in your day to day life.
everything about what they did screams incompetancy and a blatant lack of respect for the game they were playing and honestly people with that low of moral comprehension and standing have no place in an industry that is doing its best to grow and legitimize itself in a world of haters and parents who look down on people for 'gaming'.
FUCK
/end rant.
valve needed to punish these idiots. they couldve made all of the money they won in their dumb as fuck scandal by literally streaming for a few weeks as they were/are top NA CS players.
They abused the ONE THING in their life they had any respect in. These nerds LITERALLY DEDICATED THEIR LIVES TO CS and abused it. This is literally no different than an NFL quarterback throwing an interception on purpose in the 4th quarter to win a box pool his coworker bet on.
I don't think theres any organization in this country or world that gives a second chance for insider trading. people go to jail for insider trading. pretending they 'didnt know better' or 'wouldve thought twice if they knew "the rules"' to me, is a joke.
SO MANY people have dedicated themselves to esports... casters, journalists, tournament organizers, players, streamers, and these clowns took it upon themselves to illegitmize and undermine the one thing every one of you who play competitive games stands for in your day to day life.
everything about what they did screams incompetancy and a blatant lack of respect for the game they were playing and honestly people with that low of moral comprehension and standing have no place in an industry that is doing its best to grow and legitimize itself in a world of haters and parents who look down on people for 'gaming'.
FUCK
/end rant.
no they wouldn't have, but throwing is retarded if you don't know the punishment.
no they wouldn't have, but throwing is retarded if you don't know the punishment.
flame I don't think theres any organization in this country or world that gives a second chance for insider trading. people go to jail for insider trading. pretending they 'didnt know better' or 'wouldve thought twice if they knew "the rules"' to me, is a joke.
is that why people who've committed insider trading crimes are in jail for life?
[quote=flame] I don't think theres any organization in this country or world that gives a second chance for insider trading. people go to jail for insider trading. pretending they 'didnt know better' or 'wouldve thought twice if they knew "the rules"' to me, is a joke. [/quote]
is that why people who've committed insider trading crimes are in jail for life?
is that why people who've committed insider trading crimes are in jail for life?
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