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It's undeniable that immigrants compete for jobs with locals as well as things like housing for example.
I won't pretend to know much about the UK housing market, but didn't most major cities vote Remain, which are the places that would see the most competition for housing from immigrants? Is there a lack of housing in rural areas? Asking seriously here, because in Germany there's a ton of smaller towns bleeding out because of our aging society, which means there's loads of available housing in those parts of the country.
As far as jobs go, correct me if I'm wrong, but immigrants are usually far more likely to move to cities than the countryside, and UK unemployment maps don't seem to correspond to referendum votes in a way that is discernible to me. Besides, the current unemployment rate for the entire United Kingdom is 5.4%, which is as close to full employment as you're going to get anywhere in the foreseeable future. It doesn't sound like people are having much trouble finding work, least of all because it's being taken away by immigrants.
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This is of course setting aside for a moment that the Leave camp is already talking about getting access to the shared EU market, which entails letting in all those scary Eastern Europeans anyway.
I haven't seen the city breakdown sorry mate. I know that in my city and the surrounding area, every single voting region voted for out.
With regards to unemployment figures, as said above, the it's a bit shady what they include here.
Also, it depends on where you live. London likely has very low unemployment (and is a huge proportion of our country population), but Northern cities have higher unemployment.
In my opinion it's okay right now, but people aren't just voting for how it is right now, this is years of anger I suppose.
I think forecasts are (before referendum) that the job market is going to get worse, but yeah it seems good to me right now anyway.
[quote=Searchlight][quote=Adebisi]
It's undeniable that immigrants compete for jobs with locals as well as things like housing for example.[/quote]
I won't pretend to know much about the UK housing market, but didn't most major cities vote Remain, which are the places that would see the most competition for housing from immigrants? Is there a lack of housing in rural areas? Asking seriously here, because in Germany there's a ton of smaller towns bleeding out because of our aging society, which means there's loads of available housing in those parts of the country.
As far as jobs go, correct me if I'm wrong, but immigrants are usually far more likely to move to cities than the countryside, and UK unemployment maps don't seem to correspond to referendum votes in a way that is discernible to me. Besides, the current unemployment rate for the entire United Kingdom is 5.4%, which is as close to full employment as you're going to get anywhere in the foreseeable future. It doesn't sound like people are having much trouble finding work, least of all because it's being taken away by immigrants.
[spoiler]This is of course setting aside for a moment that the Leave camp is already talking about getting access to the shared EU market, which entails letting in all those scary Eastern Europeans anyway.[/spoiler][/quote]
I haven't seen the city breakdown sorry mate. I know that in my city and the surrounding area, every single voting region voted for out.
With regards to unemployment figures, as said above, the it's a bit shady what they include here.
Also, it depends on where you live. London likely has very low unemployment (and is a huge proportion of our country population), but Northern cities have higher unemployment.
In my opinion it's okay right now, but people aren't just voting for how it is right now, this is years of anger I suppose.
I think forecasts are (before referendum) that the job market is going to get worse, but yeah it seems good to me right now anyway.
-protoconnor i love u fam but why are seemingly ALL albertans ignorant conservatives while pretty much the rest of the country are peaceful, educated liberals???
It's because Alberta is the highest payed least taxed province by such an enormous margin nothing else even comes close. They're by far the largest contributer to the transfer payment program, where most of your so called educated liberal provinces seem to consistently end up being have not provinces that take billions and billions of dollars from the west...
They also remember Ralph Klein's legacy. Where he completely eliminated all debt, created the multibillion dollar heritage fund, and lead the economy to become so strong he literally had so much cash on hand he didn't know what to do with it.... So he wrote a checks to every man, woman and child in the province.
Nub Danish is incorrect saying that Alberta you are shamed for being a conservative.... Totally false. Maybe in some urban areas. But I'm flown in an out of almost every town, city on a regular basis and I've never been shamed for being a conservative. But what you do see a lot of is a lot of people from other provinces moving to Alberta.
[quote=-proto]connor i love u fam but why are seemingly ALL albertans ignorant conservatives while pretty much the rest of the country are peaceful, educated liberals???[/quote]
It's because Alberta is the highest payed least taxed province by such an enormous margin nothing else even comes close. They're by far the largest contributer to the transfer payment program, where most of your so called educated liberal provinces seem to consistently end up being have not provinces that take billions and billions of dollars from the west...
They also remember Ralph Klein's legacy. Where he completely eliminated all debt, created the multibillion dollar heritage fund, and lead the economy to become so strong he literally had so much cash on hand he didn't know what to do with it.... So he wrote a checks to every man, woman and child in the province.
Nub Danish is incorrect saying that Alberta you are shamed for being a conservative.... Totally false. Maybe in some urban areas. But I'm flown in an out of almost every town, city on a regular basis and I've never been shamed for being a conservative. But what you do see a lot of is a lot of people from other provinces moving to Alberta.
pine_beetle-protoconnor i love u fam but why are seemingly ALL albertans ignorant conservatives while pretty much the rest of the country are peaceful, educated liberals???
It's because Alberta is the highest payed least taxed province by such an enormous margin nothing else even comes close. They're by far the largest contributer to the transfer payment program, where most of your so called educated liberal provinces seem to consistently end up being have not provinces that take billions and billions of dollars from the west...
They also remember Ralph Klein's legacy. Where he completely eliminated all debt, created the multibillion dollar heritage fund, and lead the economy to become so strong he literally had so much cash on hand he didn't know what to do with it.... So he wrote a checks to every man, woman and child in the province.
Nub Danish is incorrect saying that Alberta you are shamed for being a conservative.... Totally false. Maybe in some urban areas. But I'm flown in an out of almost every town, city on a regular basis and I've never been shamed for being a conservative. But what you do see a lot of is a lot of people from other provinces moving to Alberta.
I don't know if you've been to any of the universities around here, but every one I've been to has been heavily left leaning. Though it is true I've never felt outside of them any sort of people shaming conservatives.
[quote=pine_beetle][quote=-proto]connor i love u fam but why are seemingly ALL albertans ignorant conservatives while pretty much the rest of the country are peaceful, educated liberals???[/quote]
It's because Alberta is the highest payed least taxed province by such an enormous margin nothing else even comes close. They're by far the largest contributer to the transfer payment program, where most of your so called educated liberal provinces seem to consistently end up being have not provinces that take billions and billions of dollars from the west...
They also remember Ralph Klein's legacy. Where he completely eliminated all debt, created the multibillion dollar heritage fund, and lead the economy to become so strong he literally had so much cash on hand he didn't know what to do with it.... So he wrote a checks to every man, woman and child in the province.
Nub Danish is incorrect saying that Alberta you are shamed for being a conservative.... Totally false. Maybe in some urban areas. But I'm flown in an out of almost every town, city on a regular basis and I've never been shamed for being a conservative. But what you do see a lot of is a lot of people from other provinces moving to Alberta.[/quote]
I don't know if you've been to any of the universities around here, but every one I've been to has been heavily left leaning. Though it is true I've never felt outside of them any sort of people shaming conservatives.
GentlemanJonThey probably thought Syrians were going to move into their Nan's spare bedroom.
At least that would save her from having to pay bedroom tax
[quote=GentlemanJon]They probably thought Syrians were going to move into their Nan's spare bedroom.[/quote]
At least that would save her from having to pay bedroom tax
Nub_Danish I don't know if you've been to any of the universities around here, but every one I've been to has been heavily left leaning. Though it is true I've never felt outside of them any sort of people shaming conservatives.
I was going to specifically state the universities as a part of the urban areas because there isn't much else that is left leaning at all.... In any of industries, whether it's oil and gas, mining, agriculture, or lumber... and that covers the vast majority of the province even though the methods for all of them differ greatly depending on the region. The universities are a very small subculture of weak kneed, fake, snotty entitled brats.
They stick out like a very sore thumb anywhere else, especially once they start working... It takes years for them to contribute in positive ways, just because they're trained to be obedient and do whatever is necessary to make their professor happy. So when they're expected to think for themselves they don't know what they're doing. It's really strange. I only really meet engineering and geology students so it's a subset of a subset on our universities but I imagine in other fields it's the same. They get in, they want to help but they're so used to being told what to do they can't identify what's critical and how to contribute in meaningful ways.
[quote=Nub_Danish] I don't know if you've been to any of the universities around here, but every one I've been to has been heavily left leaning. Though it is true I've never felt outside of them any sort of people shaming conservatives.[/quote]
I was going to specifically state the universities as a part of the urban areas because there isn't much else that is left leaning at all.... In any of industries, whether it's oil and gas, mining, agriculture, or lumber... and that covers the vast majority of the province even though the methods for all of them differ greatly depending on the region. The universities are a very small subculture of weak kneed, fake, snotty entitled brats.
They stick out like a very sore thumb anywhere else, especially once they start working... It takes years for them to contribute in positive ways, just because they're trained to be obedient and do whatever is necessary to make their professor happy. So when they're expected to think for themselves they don't know what they're doing. It's really strange. I only really meet engineering and geology students so it's a subset of a subset on our universities but I imagine in other fields it's the same. They get in, they want to help but they're so used to being told what to do they can't identify what's critical and how to contribute in meaningful ways.
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FunsI'm moving to Sweden when I turn 18 tbh
But Sweden will basically be a 3rd world country within the next 20 years if they stay part of the EU LMAO
If you really want to move to a Nordic country that isn't turning into a complete shithole go somewhere like Norway or Iceland lol
I've been to Iceland, lovely place, lovely people. ez game
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Lots of rocks and volcanoes though, watch your step 8)
[quote=Funs]I'm moving to Sweden when I turn 18 tbh[/quote]
But Sweden will basically be a 3rd world country within the next 20 years if they stay part of the EU LMAO
If you really want to move to a Nordic country that isn't turning into a complete shithole go somewhere like Norway or Iceland lol
I've been to Iceland, lovely place, lovely people. ez game
[spoiler]Lots of rocks and volcanoes though, watch your step 8)[/spoiler]
AnaThonhttp://www.bbc.com/news/uk-politics-36702468
When people come to your house to harass you because they don't like the way a vote turned out and you've already achieved your goal, maybe you don't wanna stick around and deal with that harassment.
[quote=AnaThon]http://www.bbc.com/news/uk-politics-36702468[/quote]
When people come to your house to harass you because they don't like the way a vote turned out and you've already achieved your goal, maybe you don't wanna stick around and deal with that harassment.
Nub_DanishAnaThonhttp://www.bbc.com/news/uk-politics-36702468
When people come to your house to harass you because they don't like the way a vote turned out and you've already achieved your goal, maybe you don't wanna stick around and deal with that harassment.
Oh you mean like pretty much every passionate group that looses a vote ever?
[quote=Nub_Danish][quote=AnaThon]http://www.bbc.com/news/uk-politics-36702468[/quote]
When people come to your house to harass you because they don't like the way a vote turned out and you've already achieved your goal, maybe you don't wanna stick around and deal with that harassment.[/quote]
Oh you mean like pretty much every passionate group that looses a vote ever?
Nub_DanishWhen people come to your house to harass you because they don't like the way a vote turned out and you've already achieved your goal, maybe you don't wanna stick around and deal with that harassment.
It was Boris Johnson's house that was picketed, there are no reports of protests at Nigel Farage's residence. Why do you insist on revisiting this subject when you literally can't get anything about it right?
[quote=Nub_Danish]When people come to your house to harass you because they don't like the way a vote turned out and you've already achieved your goal, maybe you don't wanna stick around and deal with that harassment.[/quote]
It was Boris Johnson's house that was picketed, there are no reports of protests at Nigel Farage's residence. Why do you insist on revisiting this subject when you literally can't get anything about it right?
ExtrasolarFunsI'm moving to Sweden when I turn 18 tbh
But Sweden will basically be a 3rd world country within the next 20 years if they stay part of the EU LMAO
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[quote=Extrasolar][quote=Funs]I'm moving to Sweden when I turn 18 tbh[/quote]
But Sweden will basically be a 3rd world country within the next 20 years if they stay part of the EU LMAO
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The UK hasn't even triggered article 50, has Farage actually achieved his goal yet? It seems odd to me.
The UK hasn't even triggered article 50, has Farage actually achieved his goal yet? It seems odd to me.
Farage is a coward just like Boris. They realised its going to be a shit fest so they're removing themselves from the situation to avoid taking any actual responsibility for it.
Farage is a coward just like Boris. They realised its going to be a shit fest so they're removing themselves from the situation to avoid taking any actual responsibility for it.
tbf he's been trying to quit since the general election but the party rejected his resignation
also
tbf he's been trying to quit since the general election but the party rejected his resignation
[url=http://indy100.independent.co.uk/article/the-uk-doesnt-have-enough-skilled-trade-negotiators-for-brexit-so-were-going-to-have-to-hire-foreigners--ZyxdleNdBrW]also[/url]
GentlemanJonNub_DanishWhen people come to your house to harass you because they don't like the way a vote turned out and you've already achieved your goal, maybe you don't wanna stick around and deal with that harassment.
It was Boris Johnson's house that was picketed, there are no reports of protests at Nigel Farage's residence. Why do you insist on revisiting this subject when you literally can't get anything about it right?
http://www.bbc.com/news/uk-scotland-22559526 I don't really care if it's at his house or in public either way it's wrong
[quote=GentlemanJon][quote=Nub_Danish]When people come to your house to harass you because they don't like the way a vote turned out and you've already achieved your goal, maybe you don't wanna stick around and deal with that harassment.[/quote]
It was Boris Johnson's house that was picketed, there are no reports of protests at Nigel Farage's residence. Why do you insist on revisiting this subject when you literally can't get anything about it right?[/quote]
http://www.bbc.com/news/uk-scotland-22559526 I don't really care if it's at his house or in public either way it's wrong
PermzillaThe UK hasn't even triggered article 50, has Farage actually achieved his goal yet? It seems odd to me.
I mean the vote passed and they're obligated to trigger article 50
[quote=Permzilla]The UK hasn't even triggered article 50, has Farage actually achieved his goal yet? It seems odd to me.[/quote]
I mean the vote passed and they're obligated to trigger article 50
Farage resigned because he realised he couldn't follow through on any of his promises he made in his campaign, so he though he may as well leave on a high than take the fall for the shit show that is to follow.
Farage resigned because he realised he couldn't follow through on any of his promises he made in his campaign, so he though he may as well leave on a high than take the fall for the shit show that is to follow.
Nub_DanishPermzillaThe UK hasn't even triggered article 50, has Farage actually achieved his goal yet? It seems odd to me.
I mean the vote passed and they're obligated to trigger article 50
They're not legally obligated to at all, they could undergo a whole series of informal negotiations before triggering it or decide not to at all. Would be a pretty huge U-turn though.
[quote=Nub_Danish][quote=Permzilla]The UK hasn't even triggered article 50, has Farage actually achieved his goal yet? It seems odd to me.[/quote]
I mean the vote passed and they're obligated to trigger article 50[/quote]
They're not legally obligated to at all, they could undergo a whole series of informal negotiations before triggering it or decide not to at all. Would be a pretty huge U-turn though.
SideshowNub_DanishPermzillaThe UK hasn't even triggered article 50, has Farage actually achieved his goal yet? It seems odd to me.
I mean the vote passed and they're obligated to trigger article 50
They're not legally obligated to at all, they could undergo a whole series of informal negotiations before triggering it or decide not to at all. Would be a pretty huge U-turn though.
It would be pretty undemocratic for them not to pass it, but i do hope they take their time sorting stuff out before triggering it so that it can't be the best for both the UK and EU.
[quote=Sideshow][quote=Nub_Danish][quote=Permzilla]The UK hasn't even triggered article 50, has Farage actually achieved his goal yet? It seems odd to me.[/quote]
I mean the vote passed and they're obligated to trigger article 50[/quote]
They're not legally obligated to at all, they could undergo a whole series of informal negotiations before triggering it or decide not to at all. Would be a pretty huge U-turn though.[/quote]
It would be pretty undemocratic for them not to pass it, but i do hope they take their time sorting stuff out before triggering it so that it can't be the best for both the UK and EU.
Nub_Danishhttp://www.bbc.com/news/uk-scotland-22559526 I don't really care if it's at his house or in public either way it's wrong
You're supposed to do your research before typing which means you don't have to first be completely wrong, then dredge up a 3 year old story containing the quote
"I don't think he was shaken up by it. He was laughing, in fact."
Hounded out of politics!
[quote=Nub_Danish]http://www.bbc.com/news/uk-scotland-22559526 I don't really care if it's at his house or in public either way it's wrong[/quote]
You're supposed to do your research before typing which means you don't have to first be completely wrong, then dredge up a 3 year old story containing the quote
[quote]"I don't think he was shaken up by it. He was laughing, in fact."[/quote]
Hounded out of politics!
SideshowThey're not legally obligated to at all, they could undergo a whole series of informal negotiations before triggering it or decide not to at all. Would be a pretty huge U-turn though.
It will take a mammoth effort of will to pretend that the massive loss of sovereignty we'll suffer when we have to wave through thousands of laws and regulations while no longer having any representation at the law making level or securing any concessions on free movement in order to maintain access to the single market is preferable to making that u-turn.
But given we've just had the stupidest political campaign ever accidentally won by someone who was trying to lose gallantly nothing is impossible.
[quote=Sideshow]They're not legally obligated to at all, they could undergo a whole series of informal negotiations before triggering it or decide not to at all. Would be a pretty huge U-turn though.[/quote]
It will take a mammoth effort of will to pretend that the massive loss of sovereignty we'll suffer when we have to wave through thousands of laws and regulations while no longer having any representation at the law making level or securing any concessions on free movement in order to maintain access to the single market is preferable to making that u-turn.
But given we've just had the stupidest political campaign ever accidentally won by someone who was trying to lose gallantly nothing is impossible.
https://twitter.com/Gove2016/status/750238300091387904
This is a good meme
GentlemanJonNub_Danishhttp://www.bbc.com/news/uk-scotland-22559526 I don't really care if it's at his house or in public either way it's wrong
You're supposed to do your research before typing which means you don't have to first be completely wrong, then dredge up a 3 year old story containing the quote
"I don't think he was shaken up by it. He was laughing, in fact."
Hounded out of politics!
it's been going on for 3 years fam he's been harassed for years
[quote=GentlemanJon][quote=Nub_Danish]http://www.bbc.com/news/uk-scotland-22559526 I don't really care if it's at his house or in public either way it's wrong[/quote]
You're supposed to do your research before typing which means you don't have to first be completely wrong, then dredge up a 3 year old story containing the quote
[quote]"I don't think he was shaken up by it. He was laughing, in fact."[/quote]
Hounded out of politics![/quote]
it's been going on for 3 years fam he's been harassed for years
Nub_Danishit's been going on for 3 years fam he's been harassed for years
Given how wrong you get everything it doesn't surprise me that you're vulnerable to Farage's propaganda not only about political matters but also about the extent of his own victimisation. You have my sympathies
[quote=Nub_Danish]it's been going on for 3 years fam he's been harassed for years[/quote]
Given how wrong you get everything it doesn't surprise me that you're vulnerable to Farage's propaganda not only about political matters but also about the extent of his own victimisation. You have my sympathies
trashlegit though: I knew of some folks in tech who were expecting to move to the UK for some jobs in a month or two. no fucking clue what's going to happen to them now, that sucks hard
Maybe it's not a great plan now, but it doesn't take effect until about 2 years.
[quote=trash]legit though: I knew of some folks in tech who were expecting to move to the UK for some jobs in a month or two. no fucking clue what's going to happen to them now, that sucks hard[/quote]
Maybe it's not a great plan now, but it doesn't take effect until about 2 years.