http://store.steampowered.com/news/22883/
In 2011, we added a feature to Steam that enabled users to trade in-game items as a way to make it easier for people to get the items they wanted in games featuring in-game economies.
Since then a number of gambling sites started leveraging the Steam trading system, and there’s been some false assumptions about our involvement with these sites. We’d like to clarify that we have no business relationships with any of these sites. We have never received any revenue from them. And Steam does not have a system for turning in-game items into real world currency.
These sites have basically pieced together their operations in two-part fashion. First, they are using the OpenID API as a way for users to prove ownership of their Steam accounts and items. Any other information they obtain about a user's Steam account is either manually disclosed by the user or obtained from the user’s Steam Community profile (when the user has chosen to make their profile public). Second, they create automated Steam accounts that make the same web calls as individual Steam users.
Using the OpenID API and making the same web calls as Steam users to run a gambling business is not allowed by our API nor our user agreements. We are going to start sending notices to these sites requesting they cease operations through Steam, and further pursue the matter as necessary. Users should probably consider this information as they manage their in-game item inventory and trade activity.
-Erik Johnson
Pretty big deal considering csgolounge contributes a massive amount of viewers to matches.
http://store.steampowered.com/news/22883/
[quote]In 2011, we added a feature to Steam that enabled users to trade in-game items as a way to make it easier for people to get the items they wanted in games featuring in-game economies.
Since then a number of gambling sites started leveraging the Steam trading system, and there’s been some false assumptions about our involvement with these sites. We’d like to clarify that we have no business relationships with any of these sites. We have never received any revenue from them. And Steam does not have a system for turning in-game items into real world currency.
These sites have basically pieced together their operations in two-part fashion. First, they are using the OpenID API as a way for users to prove ownership of their Steam accounts and items. Any other information they obtain about a user's Steam account is either manually disclosed by the user or obtained from the user’s Steam Community profile (when the user has chosen to make their profile public). Second, they create automated Steam accounts that make the same web calls as individual Steam users.
Using the OpenID API and making the same web calls as Steam users to run a gambling business is not allowed by our API nor our user agreements. We are going to start sending notices to these sites requesting they cease operations through Steam, and further pursue the matter as necessary. Users should probably consider this information as they manage their in-game item inventory and trade activity.
-Erik Johnson[/quote]
Pretty big deal considering csgolounge contributes a massive amount of viewers to matches.
You can thank ya boys TMrTn and Syndashit
You can thank ya boys TMrTn and Syndashit
Fucking finally. The csgo gambling community is fucking horrible.
Fucking finally. The csgo gambling community is fucking horrible.
introducing gambling to teenagers its not an ok thing to do ...
introducing gambling to teenagers its not an ok thing to do ...
brownymasterFucking finally. The csgo gambling community is fucking horrible.
And piles on a shitload of viewers to match streams. Luckily tf2 is big enough where we dont need to worry about that
[quote=brownymaster]Fucking finally. The csgo gambling community is fucking horrible.[/quote]
And piles on a shitload of viewers to match streams. Luckily tf2 is big enough where we dont need to worry about that
mousiopeintroducing gambling to teenagers its not an ok thing to do ...
Almost as heinous as introducing them to the violent world of counterterrorism
[quote=mousiope]introducing gambling to teenagers its not an ok thing to do ...[/quote]
Almost as heinous as introducing them to the violent world of counterterrorism
joejoe347Pretty big deal considering csgolounge contributes a massive amount of viewers to matches.
Also game servers / players getting DDoS'ed by angry gamblers
[quote=joejoe347]Pretty big deal considering csgolounge contributes a massive amount of viewers to matches.[/quote]
Also game servers / players getting DDoS'ed by angry gamblers
Is this suprising? Why do you think Geel shut down his gambling sites after meeting with Valve .D
Is this suprising? Why do you think Geel shut down his gambling sites after meeting with Valve .D
micspamIs this suprising? Why do you think Geel shut down his gambling sites after meeting with Valve .D
For the record, I didn't speak with Valve about anything relating to this.
[quote=micspam]Is this suprising? Why do you think Geel shut down his gambling sites after meeting with Valve .D[/quote]
For the record, I didn't speak with Valve about anything relating to this.
Good thing, I despise gambling in general so I'm happy if these things are eliminated.
Good thing, I despise gambling in general so I'm happy if these things are eliminated.
It's literally a game of chance. People who are stupid enough to put hundreds of dollars into it deserve to lose them. That being said, they obviously have to stop if kids are involved, no questions asked.
It's literally a game of chance. People who are stupid enough to put hundreds of dollars into it deserve to lose them. That being said, they obviously have to stop if kids are involved, no questions asked.
CS Gambling sites are already disabling their trading bots to make one last cash out from this sinking ship. Their must be millions of dollars worth of skins locked away in these bots
CS Gambling sites are already disabling their trading bots to make one last cash out from this sinking ship. Their must be millions of dollars worth of skins locked away in these bots
Now he has an excuse to not give you back your items from saloon :)
Now he has an excuse to not give you back your items from saloon :)
i have escrow since i switched my mobile auth phone so i cant withdraw my major winnings :(
hope csgolounge doesn't try to run away with them
i have escrow since i switched my mobile auth phone so i cant withdraw my major winnings :(
hope csgolounge doesn't try to run away with them
will this affect opskins too? i assume so
guess ill cash out
will this affect opskins too? i assume so
guess ill cash out
Gemmellnessi have escrow since i switched my mobile auth phone so i cant withdraw my major winnings :(
hope csgolounge doesn't try to run away with them
I recommend u to try and fix that as fast as possible, in case it gets shut down/deleted.
[quote=Gemmellness]i have escrow since i switched my mobile auth phone so i cant withdraw my major winnings :(
hope csgolounge doesn't try to run away with them[/quote]
I recommend u to try and fix that as fast as possible, in case it gets shut down/deleted.
unfwill this affect opskins too? i assume so
guess ill cash out
https://twitter.com/opskinsgo/status/753337437791944704
most likely not it seems
[quote=unf]will this affect opskins too? i assume so
guess ill cash out[/quote]
https://twitter.com/opskinsgo/status/753337437791944704
most likely not it seems
nykIt's literally a game of chance. People who are stupid enough to put hundreds of dollars into it deserve to lose them. That being said, they obviously have to stop if kids are involved, no questions asked.
there's a huge number of children who don't understanding the risks of gambling and do it anyway. look at scrap.tf/raffles on any given day and there's a kid whining that he lost a key or a hat or something to sweepstakes or the bp.tf lotto. I don't think adults should make their income preying off the ignorance of children.
[quote=nyk]It's literally a game of chance. People who are stupid enough to put hundreds of dollars into it deserve to lose them. That being said, they obviously have to stop if kids are involved, no questions asked.[/quote]
there's a huge number of children who don't understanding the risks of gambling and do it anyway. look at scrap.tf/raffles on any given day and there's a kid whining that he lost a key or a hat or something to sweepstakes or the bp.tf lotto. I don't think adults should make their income preying off the ignorance of children.
Ignorant children should not be allowed to access disclaimedly adult-oriented services on the internet. It's been 20 years.
Ignorant children should not be allowed to access disclaimedly adult-oriented services on the internet. It's been 20 years.
yeah past the standard "don't enforce gambling addiction" laws idc about adults doing this stuff, but to that end I should point out: the legal argument on this for the longest time was always "well it's not technically currency so it's ok", so the arguments on ethics, while still valid, proves that this still ends up being a more roundabout way of playing with chance for money
I remember a lot of people on reddit thinking the related lawsuit couldn't possibly go anywhere, it was kinda funny considering how easy it seemed on the prosecution's end
yeah past the standard "don't enforce gambling addiction" laws idc about adults doing this stuff, but to that end I should point out: the legal argument on this for the longest time was always "well it's not technically currency so it's ok", so the arguments on ethics, while still valid, proves that this still ends up being a more roundabout way of playing with chance for money
I remember a lot of people on reddit thinking the related lawsuit couldn't possibly go anywhere, it was kinda funny considering how easy it seemed on the prosecution's end
trashyeah past the standard "don't enforce gambling addiction" laws idc about adults doing this stuff, but to that end I should point out: the legal argument on this for the longest time was always "well it's not technically currency so it's ok", so the arguments on ethics, while still valid, proves that this still ends up being a more roundabout way of playing with chance for money
I remember a lot of people on reddit thinking the related lawsuit couldn't possibly go anywhere, it was kinda funny considering how easy it seemed on the prosecution's end
I don't think that lawsuit did go anywhere, legally speaking. I'm sure Valve did this because of the massive outcry and the bad press they were getting in the news.
[quote=trash]yeah past the standard "don't enforce gambling addiction" laws idc about adults doing this stuff, but to that end I should point out: the legal argument on this for the longest time was always "well it's not technically currency so it's ok", so the arguments on ethics, while still valid, proves that this still ends up being a more roundabout way of playing with chance for money
I remember a lot of people on reddit thinking the related lawsuit couldn't possibly go anywhere, it was kinda funny considering how easy it seemed on the prosecution's end[/quote]
I don't think that lawsuit did go anywhere, legally speaking. I'm sure Valve did this because of the massive outcry and the bad press they were getting in the news.
I hope they dont end up shutting down site like OPskins. Where else am I going to get csgo items 30% off /:
I hope they dont end up shutting down site like OPskins. Where else am I going to get csgo items 30% off /:
buying paypal keys and buying stuff off /r/globaloffensivetrade or god forbid csgolounge itself
like "lol tf2 trade reddit" is true for tf2 but the cs trade reddit is actually much better and better regulated
buying paypal keys and buying stuff off /r/globaloffensivetrade or god forbid csgolounge itself
like "lol tf2 trade reddit" is true for tf2 but the cs trade reddit is actually much better and better regulated
valveUsing the OpenID API and making the same web calls as Steam users to run a gambling business is not allowed by our API nor our user agreements. We are going to start sending notices to these sites requesting they cease operations through Steam, and further pursue the matter as necessary. Users should probably consider this information as they manage their in-game item inventory and trade activity.
-Erik Johnson
doesn op skins use bots too? or does the rule actually mean bots are ok if not associated with gambling
[quote=valve]
Using the OpenID API and making the same web calls as Steam users to run a gambling business is not allowed by our API nor our user agreements. We are going to start sending notices to these sites requesting they cease operations through Steam, and further pursue the matter as necessary. Users should probably consider this information as they manage their in-game item inventory and trade activity.
-Erik Johnson[/quote]
doesn op skins use bots too? or does the rule actually mean bots are ok if not associated with gambling
They said gambling, nothing about any other use of bots. Valve once again really vague with their statement, will betting on csgolounge also be shut down? We'll just have to wait and see what happens it seems
They said gambling, nothing about any other use of bots. Valve once again really vague with their statement, will betting on csgolounge also be shut down? We'll just have to wait and see what happens it seems
I am pretty happy with valve taking away gambling but maybe it is better for people to experience things like this in a virtual economy that does not mean much and realise that it is a bad thing so they don't try it with something that matters, such as gambling away their house.
That said it could create gambling addictions which is a bad idea. I don't really know much about this stuff.
I am pretty happy with valve taking away gambling but maybe it is better for people to experience things like this in a virtual economy that does not mean much and realise that it is a bad thing so they don't try it with something that matters, such as gambling away their house.
That said it could create gambling addictions which is a bad idea. I don't really know much about this stuff.
i wonder how many secret game gambling sites are gonna pop up after this
i wonder how many secret game gambling sites are gonna pop up after this
oh shit afterglow better cash out hes at $200k right now lmao
oh shit afterglow better cash out hes at $200k right now lmao
About fucking time the gambling sites are taken down. I don't believe it to affect the trading community as a whole but definitely will fuck over lots of people...
About fucking time the gambling sites are taken down. I don't believe it to affect the trading community as a whole but definitely will fuck over lots of people...