good fucking shit dude hope this doesn't get fixed

yttrium just saved everyone

isnt crusader's crossbow a primary weapon

I felt it was different enough at the time to warrant its own line but I'll remove it

Yttrium you are a beast

yttrium, the savior of TF2. Your move, Valve.

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This is really cool, thank you. Can you make it so the viewmodels appear to have a higher effective FOV? For me the RL viewmodel helps me jump but I, like most people, can't stand the 54 FOV.

Also, as the first request would you possibly make a version with secondary weapons shown (pistol/shotgun/pipe launcher/all medic weapons) that still hides the weapon you are going to use most of the time (scattergun/sticky launcher)?

Good shit mate. Too bad I cant try it on holidays. Hope it still works when I'm back. Even though it's not an exploit, valve has a problem because we see more than everyone else in mm now. Hopefully they will react by opening the wall and allowing invisible viewmodels for everyone.

Also everyone hold ur horses with the request, modifying animations isn't a one click thing.

Btw not that I care but do they remain invisible/float around the players head in taunts?

Valve was prepared to upset a large proportion of the community with viewmodels - but are they prepared to upset TWO large proportions of the community by removing custom animations as well.

you're a god

My simple ideas never turn out to be anything but simple ideas because i'm a lazy fuck. Really well done, thanks for not being like me.

amen

lol I did this on vacation too. still away until Sat night. But no, no artifacts since the viewmodel gets hidden as normal when leaving first person view. And yeah doing this is NOT a one click thing, if only it was.

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http://puu.sh/q2usd/ea22581829.png

Question: Would it be possible to make any viewmodel centered like the original? (rockets and stuff would still come out from your right i guess but whatever)

Also, how hard is it to learn this viewmodel animation stuff? Is this a good guide?

http://gamebanana.com/tuts/11356

Its nice to have so many talented people like jarateking and ytterium in this community really pushing game customization to the limits and improving all our experiences

So many upvotes for what is clearly cheating. :((((

Think about the following quote while you minus-frag this post into oblivion.

yttrium the god

I mean it's not like it can evade sv_pure.

I saw some funny shit while making this though. Did you know that in listen servers if you set a scattergun to have 5 frames of animation instead of 37 frames, its actual ingame reload speed goes up 700%?

Theoretically yes and it's definitely something I'm going to be looking into.

That tutorial is shit.

If it was cheating it wouldn't be allowed.

So, competitive MM doesn't use sv_pure?

You're obviously free to believe what you want, but, really? I suppose aimbots aren't cheating because the game doesn't somehow internally prevent you from using them? I suppose material hacks that make walls and/or doors invisible aren't cheating because the game doesn't prevent you from doing it? Sound modifications that make spy decloaking and/or footstep sounds much louder are legit too, I suppose.

Obviously a lot of people are happy to have some way to circumvent Valve's explicit decision to not allow viewmodel disabling or changing in competitive, and if they want to use it, so be it, but calling it anything other than cheating is silly.

Also, if this is cheating, custom view models are cheating, because that's all this is: custom view models.

The game does internally prevent you from using aimbots. All of the examples you mention are explicitly prevented by sv_pure or vac. Edited viewmodel animations are explicitly allowed in sv_pure. That's why it doesn't have to bypass sv_pure.
=allowed

Yeah compare actual hacks that do give you an unfair advantage against everyone else with removing a weapon from your screen and call them both cheating
don't be dumb

I mean, we can continue to argue semantics to your heart's content, but are you really fooling yourself?

TF2's competitive matchmaking enforces an "sv_pure 2" setting, which has an intended effect of: "In this mode, all game content is forced to be default. This is identical to running in mode 1 and with everything in the whitelist file set to from_steam." (per the valve developer community wiki page, HERE).

Additionally, Valve clamped the viewmodel settings with the release of matchmaking and has left the settings unclamped for other game modes, further making it obvious that they want the viewmodels to be left alone when playing competitive matchmaking.

It's clear that there is some sort of oversight or bug with how the sv_pure settings are handling these modified files, but you're seriously going to argue that it's not cheating when you're blatantly circumventing the configuration restrictions they added specifically for competitive matchmaking?

I mean, my opinion is in the minority here and you guys really want to get around Valve's limitations, and that's your prerogative, but:

Material hacks circumvent sv_pure and/or vac. Aimbots circumvent sv_pure and/or vac. Wallhacks do the same. Your files circumvent sv_pure and/or valve-imposed limitations in competitive matchmaking. It's cheating at worst and exploitation at best.

I didn't mean to derail his thread this much so I'll try to leave it alone now.

not that im arguing that this pack is cheating and unfair, but it's essentially an exploit that abuses the fact that custom anims are allowed on sv_pure 2. im fairly sure valve wouldn't have considered this when allowing that (or forgotten that it could be used in mm). you should judge cheating based on what it grants the user ingame as opposed to what the developer intended, not simply on whether it's possible to use ingame

Cheating means getting an advantage by breaking the rules of the competition. The competitive community has, from the start of competitive TF2, defined its own rules. Valve have come in, copied our gamemode (6v6) and thrown a wrench at some of our own rules (that no viewmodels and fps configs are fine and that class limits are in place), then asked us to play their version of our competition. We are annoyed that valve have done this, and we've found a way to remove part of the wrench and put some of our old rules back in place.

Your argument, that these viewmodels are bad because it's cheating, is a very pedantic and almost snide one, and tries to put what's happening in this thread alongside aimbots, wallhacks and bunnyhop scripts, and tries to make us feel guilty for taking back what we used to have from a company that is trying to change our community's rules.