Can everyone stop overreacting?

Fuck you let us panic it makes good thread material.

ESEA's ruleset is managed by a plugin and supporting software that would require ESEA to spend programmer time on changes for a comparatively dead game instead of working on their CS cash cow. The plugin is private, so someone would have to write an open source plugin that cloned the behaviour, then ETF2L and others would have to start requiring all match servers to use it.

I'm not saying there isn't someone insane enough to spend their time doing this, but the ESEA ruleset is not optimal and it would be widely adopted simply because it's not in the interests of a company to spend money to improve their offering because there's nothing in it for them. That doesn't seem like the right reason to make that kind of change.

The whitelist changes, even if you don't like them, are something that's easily done for every league without expenditure of software engineering effort.

teleporting sentries to the other side of the point with the rescue ranger on granary, process, reckoner and snakewater lasts could be borderline gamebreaking. you can redeploy a level 2 really quickly with the jag as well. at the very least it's going to make stalemates on last points even worse

beggars bazooka, loch n load, rescue ranger, jarate and sandvich make not want to play next season honestly

med unlocks + gunboats was the most fun 6v6 whitelist. this valve/pubber pandering has made the gamemode worse. whats sadder is neither valve nor pubbers even give a shit, so its all been for nought

buffing defensive offclasses (engi and heavy) makes the game so much slower + makes stalemates more likely to happen (and fast tf2 is funner imo)

Also does natscha slow down ubered players?

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So SLIN makes a video about how 5cp can be slow thus not fun to play/watch and then makes(with help of others) a meeting that pushes the whitelist that will slow down the game even more SeemsGood

Any dm servers with this whitelist? How am I supposed to prepare for intense 6v6 competition if i cant practice my triple jumps and air strike bombs!?

kill me now

Kinda hard to kill scouts who can triple jump :v

don't worry you'll be getting plenty of experience being killed by the beggar's and air strike soon :)

This is all fine and dandy yet I fail to understand why indefinite taunts are banned

I hope this doesnt result in yet another league being created splitting the community even further

When you use them, you go into third person. This allows you to see around corners from a safe position, no peeking required. If you can immediately cancel that taunt whenever you want, this gives you a notable advantage, so they are banned.

Taunts where you can't choose when to cancel are different- they're similar to default taunts, you're vulnerable when using them and you can't choose to stop whenever you want.

waddafak cya

loving the fact we shit on valve for making poor decisions with no prior warning or communication that are often contrary to what we want as a community, and then the people within our own community do the exact same thing

Will we hear the justifications for the weapon bans?

This is what I'm wondering as well - who does this benefit? Valve won't care and the players won't enjoy the game they've been playing for years as much anymore. Nobody gains anything from this.

edit: didn't see the new thread for this

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5YKW9m5msDs&ab_channel=MRSLIN

Loch and Load will most definitely be a buff to the existing meta. It has more consistent damage than rollers. Long range directs in maps like Process or Snake is going to be much easier. Demos don't need to commit that far if they want to do high amounts of damage. Think of it as pre-nerf loose cannon.

thank god atomizer is banned again

update:

I swear to god if I'm having a TF2C/Pub experience with all this bullshit in a scrim tonight I'm gonna die inside

At this rate I'd rather not have TF2 become an E-Sport.
Apparently Slin and co. forgot we are still playing this game because it's fun, and that's most likely gonna be taken from us with all this aids.

Can't wait for pootis to mid, or the natascha,Vac, Sentry with RR hold on last.
Can't wait to get jarateed and then take a +150 damage rocket
I'm so dissapointed

One of the reasons I found 6s compelling was because it didn't have all the bullshit unlocks and total choas of pubs.

I don't feel comfortable with this idea of letting valve rebalance these weapons while we "playtest" them.
We already know they are broken plus valve doesn't exactly have a good trackrecord when it comes to handling user feedback.

Having those weapons banned should be a clear enough signal. "fix these weapons, because we don't want to play with them."

I know we're trying to cater to valve's idea of comp, but let's be honest matchmaking can be considered a fucking failure. So why would we mud our own waters for that? Why don't we stick to what we figured out to be fun and competitive ourselves?

Also lol if anyone thinks this will result in valve to suddenly start balancing things around competitive. They dont give a shit

sandman :(

Superior whitelist here
=> http://whitelist.tf/6363

I'm surprised Jarate's not banned if madmilk and the sydney sleeper are. But, overall it's great to hear there's a unified list now! :)