"Its literally impossible to reverse global warming at this point because it has already happened, so fuck laws that slow it down, fuck solar or nuclear power lets just go ahead and fuck the environment more with coal and gas."

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Ill let you figure this one out.

https://betanews.com/wp-content/uploads/2016/02/straw_man.jpg

How is that a straw man? It is an actual argument that was touted all over the place not 15 years ago.

The premise of the argument is literally the exact same. Much like global warming the issue is not black or white and there are many solutions that can be put forward. But the US just had a weapon fetish that it cant get over.

I think i know why marxist.

All these fps games r making ppl violent.

I think there are 2 big factors here: Media and large gatherings. The media constantly covers and glorifies these mass shootings to the point where it gives mentally unstable people reason and inspiration to choose large groups of people. It is also way easier to plan a mass murder given how today we have dense areas of people such as concerts, casinos, dance clubs, college campuses,etc. 80 years ago shooting people from 32 stories, walking into dark and loud dance clubs, and going to universities were not an option if one wished to kill people (universities were way less population dense in the 20s)

Tell me how to go about fazing out guns from the US. With cars as time goes on R&D makes cars more efficient while at the same time making electric cars such as Tesla's more affordable for the average consumer. Same with nuclear power as time goes on those options become more available and more efficient.

What is the solution to removing over 310 million guns from the US? Where do you even start.

But let's not bring this off topic of the shooting that just happened. PM me if you want to further discuss or let's just drop this alltogether

All max said was that a straight ban of guns is impossible logistically, and any further restrictions on guns would be pretty useless as they have already proven futile or would also be logistical nightmares. Gun control is such a tricky issue in the U.S. Because this country's history, heritage,and political circumstances are so vastly different from any other Western nation.

Which is why we need to change. I'm not entirely sure why there's so much hate on gun control right now, as the problem seems to lie in the fact that mass murders are becoming the norm. Instead of stating the oh so common statement "you cant get rid of guns, it's not possible, engrained in culture" why not realize that middle ground is attainable? I dont think any rational human being in america thinks that banning guns, or even regulating them more would completely get rid of murders, but would stronger restrictions help? well we don't know cuz they dont exist. Maybe nothing would happen, or maybe fewer impulsive angry teenagers would go out to walmart and buy a gun off the shelf and kill 12 children the next day. We can't know, because people just assume its futility. I personally think it's not a complete solution that we talk about with gun control, but rather a way to cut down on the death. Analogy (albet one a little horrible to compare with human death): if you put winter tires on your car, you still could slip, yet less often

I hate humans >:(

regulations have been in place to prevent impulsive angry teenagers from purchasing firearms off the shelf at walmart for ages

did he even acquire his firearms legally

we can argue about the efficacy of this vs that gun control plan, over the effect of America's gun-loving culture, and how to balance the 2nd amendment with all of it, and reasonable people can disagree

but what I am fucking TIRED of hearing is "don't politicize the tragedy by talking about x" regardless of what x is in any given case

it is impossible to divorce politics from literally every facet of life, and to choose not to discuss the political ramifications of a thing is just as political a statement as to discuss them

I am sick of people who actually want to do something about problems in the world, whatever those problems are and whatever their point of view toward addressing them, being accused of being opportunists or trying to "push an agenda". it is 100x more craven and disgusting to accuse someone of salivating when they hear about a mass shooting like this and going "oh boy now I get to talk about gun control!" than it is for that person to want to talk about gun control in the wake of said shooting

it's also always some ridiculously comfortable internet dweeb who has literally never done anything for anyone who tries to tone police this shit too, fuck off with your holier-than-thou attitudes when the most effort you have ever put into addressing a tragedy like this is to type "wow so sad" on a gaming forum

https://i.imgur.com/jANHmhf.jpg

yes, in many areas that sort of description applies very neatly to me as well

however, by happenstance I actually applied for a job at a gun control advocacy nonprofit about 6 hours before this shooting happened, so I was just looking at so many actual survivors and families affected by gun violence who have made a stand and, in the parlance of this thread "politicized a tragedy"- their own, of course

so forgive me if I'm pretty sick of this concern trolling

gun control is bogus
if we were to reduce the speed limit on all roads to 10 MPH we'd cut road deaths down to 0
why don't we do that? because it's inconvenient. people don't want to be late for work, they want to get from A to B in a timely fashion. there's literally no other reason. not being late for work is good enough for us to sacrifice those people's lives, nobody is calling for speed restrictions like this (and I'd just like to point out that they wouldn't work either just like gun control doesn't work.)
so why don't you want to restrict gun ownership?

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yr1UWlqfphw

I like to think this is a little more important than not being late for work

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apparently you're not reading because I didn't fuckin' say that, retard
drawing comparisons is not saying that things are the same
brush up on your reading comprehension

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I'm comparing two common causes of death and two hypothetical methods to curtail the number of deaths associated with each and pointing out how people treat them differently, despite one having a much more important purpose in people's lives.
Private gun ownership stops shit like what I posted earlier from happening, the Spanish government would never even consider doing this if the people had any means to resist them. Some insane multi-millionaire having a psychotic break and shooting up a music festival is a freak occurance, you can't use it to justify any kind of gun control.
The guy literally made millions from property investments and gambling, he had no known history of violence or mental illness, what kind of gun control legislation could have stopped him from doing this? He had vast amounts of money to throw at this "project" and he killed himself when the police got to him, he had the means and the motivation to pull this off no matter what, someone please explain to me how gun control legislation could possibly have stopped this incident?

The reason things don't change isn't because they are impossible to change. The reason things don't change is because people don't want things to change. And it has devastating consequences.

Holy shit these threads always somehow turn into a fucking dumb cunt political debate.
Like others have said, can we not respect those who have died rather than debating over needless arguments.

did u read the thread

There's no good reason americans should want to give up their guns, MANY more people die on the road every year than die to gunshots, but nobody is arguing for tighter restrictions on car ownership or lower speed limits.

can we not stop pretending any of us have any actual feelings about this event we're not personally connected to in any way.

It may not be your case but people have this thing called empathy

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there's a difference between an object designed for a useful, necessary purpose incidentally hurting/killing people and something that is explicitly designed to end life hurting/killing people

i dont understand how that needs to be explained, honestly

Very sorry for all that lost their lives, or people who lost their loved ones.

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The part I don't understand is why do people whinge about the right to own semi-auto rifles? They aren't suited for hunting, and you don't need any more than a shotgun to defend your house if you're worried about that. Pretty sure the writers of the second amendment didn't envision the kind of weapons that Americans are allowed to own today.