shoutout to mgib and anonemouse for running fulltime kritz sniper smg vs mid open teams and going undefeated in scrims
Offclassing social stigma
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shoutout to mgib and anonemouse for running fulltime kritz sniper smg vs mid open teams and going undefeated in scrims
Add damage falloff to sniper, and all critical hits. Remove pyro. Remove sentry.
I think heavy it acceptable compared to the other classes but honestly it's dumb.
And honestly I used to want to allow more weapons but it's stupid. Even if tf2 was a huge esport most of the items are just useless and stupid.
Add damage falloff to sniper, and all critical hits. Remove pyro. Remove sentry.
I think heavy it acceptable compared to the other classes but honestly it's dumb.
And honestly I used to want to allow more weapons but it's stupid. Even if tf2 was a huge esport most of the items are just useless and stupid.
I think heavy it acceptable compared to the other classes but honestly it's dumb.
And honestly I used to want to allow more weapons but it's stupid. Even if tf2 was a huge esport most of the items are just useless and stupid.
Every one do not want me to add a comment here so i'll start :
running offclasses in different situations can always be viable for a team, as long as they know what they're doing, if they made a plan before. you don't make your team better by taking offclasses at random times for fun/ to make the ennemy tilt. For me, se7en has the best use of non-standart offclasses, because usually starkie has made a strat around it.
But thing is, se7en is worldwide known as one of the best team of the world + a very fair-play team to play against, so you know they won't try to troll you in scrims, result is, if they offclass, you know that's a strat.
Let's now imagine, a team running full pyro most of the games BECAUSE they think it is viable for them. I can tell by experience that at first, every one will try to make think it's stupid, that it doesn't work even though they've never actually try to do strats. We, in DABZLANDS, had the chance to be really united so they trusted me, but i think for most teams, if you get shit on everytime you play because a guy in your team tries to make his stuff happen, it's more likely you'll not trust a lot your team guy. Once you made it clear that you'll play with this offclass strat in officials matches, and gain some street cred in terms of performance. you'll encounter different type of teams to scrim against :
-There will be the teams that just think you're a clown, and so they will not scrim you (+ in some cases insult in public forums and so on...)
-Teams which will not scrim you BECAUSE it's too unique. It's a fair point that i agree with, because if you're not in direct opposition with this unique team during your season, it is not useful to scrim them, as they're playing differently.
-Finally Teams, very rare ones, that wants to scrim you because you're playing unique, which is for me a good thing to do (Special thanks to the polish team of s28-29, who even adopted this strat back then, and also the russian team with dima, and obviously ringo squad)
Basically, you don't get a lot scrims, so i remember i had to swear to the ennemy team that i won't go pyro during our scrims. which is disapointing.
As it stands today, if you want to make your off-classing strat a real thing, you have to look clean and friendly, having a team full of good dudes, being at least known for being good at the game, not listening to the community of people harrassing you to stop it, and practise against the very 2-3 same teams which has agreed to play against you. That, along with many other reasons, is why we don't have a lot of these nowadays.
Every one do not want me to add a comment here so i'll start :
running offclasses in different situations can always be viable for a team, as long as they know what they're doing, if they made a plan before. you don't make your team better by taking offclasses at random times for fun/ to make the ennemy tilt. For me, se7en has the best use of non-standart offclasses, because usually starkie has made a strat around it.
But thing is, se7en is worldwide known as one of the best team of the world + a very fair-play team to play against, so you know they won't try to troll you in scrims, result is, if they offclass, you know that's a strat.
Let's now imagine, a team running full pyro most of the games BECAUSE they think it is viable for them. I can tell by experience that at first, every one will try to make think it's stupid, that it doesn't work even though they've never actually try to do strats. We, in DABZLANDS, had the chance to be really united so they trusted me, but i think for most teams, if you get shit on everytime you play because a guy in your team tries to make his stuff happen, it's more likely you'll not trust a lot your team guy. Once you made it clear that you'll play with this offclass strat in officials matches, and gain some street cred in terms of performance. you'll encounter different type of teams to scrim against :
-There will be the teams that just think you're a clown, and so they will not scrim you (+ in some cases insult in public forums and so on...)
-Teams which will not scrim you BECAUSE it's too unique. It's a fair point that i agree with, because if you're not in direct opposition with this unique team during your season, it is not useful to scrim them, as they're playing differently.
-Finally Teams, very rare ones, that wants to scrim you because you're playing unique, which is for me a good thing to do (Special thanks to the polish team of s28-29, who even adopted this strat back then, and also the russian team with dima, and obviously ringo squad)
Basically, you don't get a lot scrims, so i remember i had to swear to the ennemy team that i won't go pyro during our scrims. which is disapointing.
As it stands today, if you want to make your off-classing strat a real thing, you have to look clean and friendly, having a team full of good dudes, being at least known for being good at the game, not listening to the community of people harrassing you to stop it, and practise against the very 2-3 same teams which has agreed to play against you. That, along with many other reasons, is why we don't have a lot of these nowadays.
running offclasses in different situations can always be viable for a team, as long as they know what they're doing, if they made a plan before. you don't make your team better by taking offclasses at random times for fun/ to make the ennemy tilt. For me, se7en has the best use of non-standart offclasses, because usually starkie has made a strat around it.
But thing is, se7en is worldwide known as one of the best team of the world + a very fair-play team to play against, so you know they won't try to troll you in scrims, result is, if they offclass, you know that's a strat.
Let's now imagine, a team running full pyro most of the games BECAUSE they think it is viable for them. I can tell by experience that at first, every one will try to make think it's stupid, that it doesn't work even though they've never actually try to do strats. We, in DABZLANDS, had the chance to be really united so they trusted me, but i think for most teams, if you get shit on everytime you play because a guy in your team tries to make his stuff happen, it's more likely you'll not trust a lot your team guy. Once you made it clear that you'll play with this offclass strat in officials matches, and gain some street cred in terms of performance. you'll encounter different type of teams to scrim against :
-There will be the teams that just think you're a clown, and so they will not scrim you (+ in some cases insult in public forums and so on...)
-Teams which will not scrim you BECAUSE it's too unique. It's a fair point that i agree with, because if you're not in direct opposition with this unique team during your season, it is not useful to scrim them, as they're playing differently.
-Finally Teams, very rare ones, that wants to scrim you because you're playing unique, which is for me a good thing to do (Special thanks to the polish team of s28-29, who even adopted this strat back then, and also the russian team with dima, and obviously ringo squad)
Basically, you don't get a lot scrims, so i remember i had to swear to the ennemy team that i won't go pyro during our scrims. which is disapointing.
As it stands today, if you want to make your off-classing strat a real thing, you have to look clean and friendly, having a team full of good dudes, being at least known for being good at the game, not listening to the community of people harrassing you to stop it, and practise against the very 2-3 same teams which has agreed to play against you. That, along with many other reasons, is why we don't have a lot of these nowadays.
Yes olgha people didn't want to scrim you because your team was unique, not because it was useless practice and just infuriating.
Yes olgha people didn't want to scrim you because your team was unique, not because it was useless practice and just infuriating.
ill i do is pug, and those are for fun so excessive sniping is banned
ill i do is pug, and those are for fun so excessive sniping is banned
CollaideYes olgha people didn't want to scrim you because your team was unique, not because it was useless practice and just infuriating.
so all the teams that played them and lost in offis because they dont knew how to handle it couldnt have avoided this outcome by practicing against it? Then why bother scrimming at all?
[quote=Collaide]Yes olgha people didn't want to scrim you because your team was unique, not because it was useless practice and just infuriating.[/quote]
so all the teams that played them and lost in offis because they dont knew how to handle it couldnt have avoided this outcome by practicing against it? Then why bother scrimming at all?
so all the teams that played them and lost in offis because they dont knew how to handle it couldnt have avoided this outcome by practicing against it? Then why bother scrimming at all?
sacCollaideYes olgha people didn't want to scrim you because your team was unique, not because it was useless practice and just infuriating.so all the teams that played them and lost because they dont knew how to handle it couldnt have avoided this outcome by practicing against it? Then why bother scrimming at all?
maybe because people dont have unlimited time, and since no other teams play like that it would literaly only be useful in officials versus that type of team while at the same time not increasing your teams skill level at anything else than countering dumb strategies
[quote=sac][quote=Collaide]Yes olgha people didn't want to scrim you because your team was unique, not because it was useless practice and just infuriating.[/quote]
so all the teams that played them and lost because they dont knew how to handle it couldnt have avoided this outcome by practicing against it? Then why bother scrimming at all?[/quote]
maybe because people dont have unlimited time, [b][i][u]and since no other teams play like that[/u][/i][/b] it would literaly only be useful in officials versus that type of team while at the same time not increasing your teams skill level at anything else than countering dumb strategies
so all the teams that played them and lost because they dont knew how to handle it couldnt have avoided this outcome by practicing against it? Then why bother scrimming at all?[/quote]
maybe because people dont have unlimited time, [b][i][u]and since no other teams play like that[/u][/i][/b] it would literaly only be useful in officials versus that type of team while at the same time not increasing your teams skill level at anything else than countering dumb strategies
CollaidesacCollaideYes olgha people didn't want to scrim you because your team was unique, not because it was useless practice and just infuriating.so all the teams that played them and lost because they dont knew how to handle it couldnt have avoided this outcome by practicing against it? Then why bother scrimming at all?
maybe because people dont have unlimited time, and since no other teams play like that it would literaly only be useful in officials versus that type of team while at the same time not increasing your teams skill level at anything else than countering dumb strategies
well, isnt that the point, i mean lowpander started playing cookie cutter because good invite teams knew how to deal with it, aren't you scrimming to be at that level, thus being able to beat teams like Olghas on the way...? it really doesnt matter if no other team plays like they do if they are your opponents in playoffs.
[quote=Collaide][quote=sac][quote=Collaide]Yes olgha people didn't want to scrim you because your team was unique, not because it was useless practice and just infuriating.[/quote]
so all the teams that played them and lost because they dont knew how to handle it couldnt have avoided this outcome by practicing against it? Then why bother scrimming at all?[/quote]
maybe because people dont have unlimited time, and since no other teams play like that it would literaly only be useful in officials versus that type of team while at the same time not increasing your teams skill level at anything else than countering dumb strategies[/quote]
well, isnt that the point, i mean lowpander started playing cookie cutter because good invite teams knew how to deal with it, aren't you scrimming to be at that level, thus being able to beat teams like Olghas on the way...? it really doesnt matter if no other team plays like they do if they are your opponents in playoffs.
so all the teams that played them and lost because they dont knew how to handle it couldnt have avoided this outcome by practicing against it? Then why bother scrimming at all?[/quote]
maybe because people dont have unlimited time, and since no other teams play like that it would literaly only be useful in officials versus that type of team while at the same time not increasing your teams skill level at anything else than countering dumb strategies[/quote]
well, isnt that the point, i mean lowpander started playing cookie cutter because good invite teams knew how to deal with it, aren't you scrimming to be at that level, thus being able to beat teams like Olghas on the way...? it really doesnt matter if no other team plays like they do if they are your opponents in playoffs.
no because instead of doing this you could just scrim a sentient team and spare yourself a massive headache
no because instead of doing this you could just scrim a sentient team and spare yourself a massive headache
Wandumno because instead of doing this you could just scrim a sentient team and spare yourself a massive headache
so you just would def vs their team then in playoffs , to spare everyones time and a headache?
[quote=Wandum]no because instead of doing this you could just scrim a sentient team and spare yourself a massive headache[/quote]
so you just would def vs their team then in playoffs , to spare everyones time and a headache?
so you just would def vs their team then in playoffs , to spare everyones time and a headache?
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Little stinky doodoo i gotta take a peepee little stinky poopoo i wanna rub my weenie
I understand some of you only derive pleasure through the suffering of others but please do everyone a favor and don't.
I understand some of you only derive pleasure through the suffering of others but please do everyone a favor and don't.
love the bi-monthly offclassing thread where olgha can drop his manifesto for the hundredth time
love the bi-monthly offclassing thread where olgha can drop his manifesto for the hundredth time
i'd rather loose a match to a team running retarded shit than have to scrim them enough to win
i'd rather loose a match to a team running retarded shit than have to scrim them enough to win
ITT: "I don't have fun playing against off class spam" "HA HOW?? It is LEGITIMATE I FRAG OUT ON PYRO! You just don't like getting OWNED"
too many people talking about the legitimacy and ignoring the fact that its fucking miserable to play
ITT: "I don't have fun playing against off class spam" "HA HOW?? It is LEGITIMATE I FRAG OUT ON PYRO! You just don't like getting OWNED"
too many people talking about the legitimacy and ignoring the fact that its fucking miserable to play
too many people talking about the legitimacy and ignoring the fact that its fucking miserable to play
BrimstoneI understand some of you only derive pleasure through the suffering of others but please do everyone a favor and don't.
"Do you hear how much fun they are having? I can't wait to make it stop." - Splinter Steve
[quote=Brimstone]I understand some of you only derive pleasure through the suffering of others but please do everyone a favor and don't.[/quote]
"Do you hear how much fun they are having? I can't wait to make it stop." - Splinter Steve
"Do you hear how much fun they are having? I can't wait to make it stop." - Splinter Steve
you want to increase your chances of winning by practising dumb offclassing while other teams want to increase their chances of winning by not scrimming you if you do that.. rock/paper/scissors and u lost whats the problem?
you want to increase your chances of winning by practising dumb offclassing while other teams want to increase their chances of winning by not scrimming you if you do that.. rock/paper/scissors and u lost whats the problem?
OlghaEvery one do not want me to add a comment here so i'll start :
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if you know no one wants your input then why do you post?
[quote=Olgha]Every one do not want me to add a comment here so i'll start :
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if you know no one wants your input then why do you post?
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if you know no one wants your input then why do you post?
OlghaBut thing is, se7en is worldwide known as one of the best team of the world + a very fair-play team to play against, so you know they won't try to troll you in scrims, result is, if they offclass, you know that's a strat.
we only ran heavy to snake mid when rolling teams 4-0 in scrims so they'd think it was just me bm'ing
[quote=Olgha]But thing is, se7en is worldwide known as one of the best team of the world + a very fair-play team to play against, so you know they won't try to troll you in scrims, result is, if they offclass, you know that's a strat. [/quote]
we only ran heavy to snake mid when rolling teams 4-0 in scrims so they'd think it was just me bm'ing
we only ran heavy to snake mid when rolling teams 4-0 in scrims so they'd think it was just me bm'ing
WiethoofdThe refusal to allow any unlocks which could speed up the game even more (disciplinary action, quick-fix)
I mean sometimes that didn't work out too well. Games been out a long time. why not just play what the community enjoys?
[quote=Wiethoofd]
The refusal to allow any unlocks which could speed up the game even more (disciplinary action, quick-fix) [/quote]
I mean sometimes that didn't work out too well. Games been out a long time. why not just play what the community enjoys?
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OalWDhYfdeg
The refusal to allow any unlocks which could speed up the game even more (disciplinary action, quick-fix) [/quote]
I mean sometimes that didn't work out too well. Games been out a long time. why not just play what the community enjoys?
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OalWDhYfdeg
BrimstoneI understand some of you only derive pleasure through the suffering of others but please do everyone a favor and don't.
fun is a zero sum game
[quote=Brimstone]I understand some of you only derive pleasure through the suffering of others but please do everyone a favor and don't.[/quote]
fun is a zero sum game
fun is a zero sum game
https://i.imgur.com/HxGMDMu.png
WiethoofdThe refusal to allow any unlocks which could speed up the game even more (disciplinary action, quick-fix) that could make trying to run other classes viable is imo dumb. The sheer fear of a possible heavy to mid when a pyro with the current whitelist can already show up with backburner and thermal thruster + powerjack at the same time...
Unlocks that allow medic to heal more = slower gameplay
Its already bad to have teamfights last forever due to crossbow, quickfix would be a disaster and make everyone a bullet sponge. If quickfix was somehow allowed for a few seasons and people jumped around with their soldiers they would also use the argument that it makes medic more fun when someone criticizes it just like xbow... doesnt mean it stops being a straight upgrade that slows the game down
[img]https://i.imgur.com/HxGMDMu.png[/img]
[quote=Wiethoofd]The refusal to allow any unlocks which could speed up the game even more (disciplinary action, quick-fix) that could make trying to run other classes viable is imo dumb. The sheer fear of a possible heavy to mid when a pyro with the current whitelist can already show up with backburner and thermal thruster + powerjack at the same time...
[/quote]
Unlocks that allow medic to heal more = slower gameplay
Its already bad to have teamfights last forever due to crossbow, quickfix would be a disaster and make everyone a bullet sponge. If quickfix was somehow allowed for a few seasons and people jumped around with their soldiers they would also use the argument that it makes medic more fun when someone criticizes it just like xbow... doesnt mean it stops being a straight upgrade that slows the game down
[quote=Wiethoofd]The refusal to allow any unlocks which could speed up the game even more (disciplinary action, quick-fix) that could make trying to run other classes viable is imo dumb. The sheer fear of a possible heavy to mid when a pyro with the current whitelist can already show up with backburner and thermal thruster + powerjack at the same time...
[/quote]
Unlocks that allow medic to heal more = slower gameplay
Its already bad to have teamfights last forever due to crossbow, quickfix would be a disaster and make everyone a bullet sponge. If quickfix was somehow allowed for a few seasons and people jumped around with their soldiers they would also use the argument that it makes medic more fun when someone criticizes it just like xbow... doesnt mean it stops being a straight upgrade that slows the game down
ban everything except for basher gunboats kritz and ubersaw tbh
ban everything except for basher gunboats kritz and ubersaw tbh
The smart move is not to fulltime offclass in scrims, but to only do it in official matches. Instead of simply defeating your opponents, you utterly crush their sprit too.
The smart move is not to fulltime offclass in scrims, but to only do it in official matches. Instead of simply defeating your opponents, you utterly crush their sprit too.
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tbf in-game competitive has no support from anyone atm
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tbf in-game competitive has no support from anyone atm
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tbf in-game competitive has no support from anyone atm
u can do it because theres no perfect way to play but its not fun so fuck it
u can do it because theres no perfect way to play but its not fun so fuck it
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