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Corruption in South American TF2
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smokioconcordesmokioEveryone has their own mistakes in the past. We're not saints, after all. You could say we're all hypocrites at some level or another. What we should do is looking at the bigger picture. Maybe not make this about your problem with him, but about the problems that the SA community are dealing with which is clearly the topic is right now.concordesmokiohttps://imgur.com/a/lCENf1p said by the same person who did this post...And your point is?
(TRANSLATION @smokio u think ur funny?
im gonna fuck you up) -as if he could lol-
it clearly flew over your head. tl;dr if you're gonna expose someone, don't be a hypocrite
sa community never existed and it will continue that way until these neo caporegimes can lower their "kawaii" internet ego (why are you even trying to front, you're from indonesia lol xd xd xd). my screenshot is less than a month old (A.K.A RECENTLY) and as i told you, hypocrisy shouldn't be tolerated. it could be a random threat by anyone in this community and if that person did the same, i would be exposing him too...
I see we're resorting to calling out our nationalities. Oh well. If hypocrisy can't be tolerated, then most of us can be called guilty. While I'm not from South America, I speak for myself as a member of the community here. I have a passion for this group of people and the game we play, I want to see them to overcome these problems. And I know I am supporting those who have the same passion as well. If you're not cool with that, then agree to disagree. To each of our own.
[quote=smokio][quote=concorde][quote=smokio][quote=concorde][quote=smokio]https://imgur.com/a/lCENf1p said by the same person who did this post...
(TRANSLATION @smokio u think ur funny?
im gonna fuck you up) -as if he could lol-[/quote]
And your point is?[/quote]
it clearly flew over your head. tl;dr if you're gonna expose someone, don't be a hypocrite[/quote]
Everyone has their own mistakes in the past. We're not saints, after all. You could say we're all hypocrites at some level or another. What we should do is looking at the bigger picture. Maybe not make this about your problem with him, but about the problems that the SA community are dealing with which is clearly the topic is right now.[/quote]
sa community never existed and it will continue that way until these neo caporegimes can lower their "kawaii" internet ego (why are you even trying to front, you're from indonesia lol xd xd xd). my screenshot is less than a month old (A.K.A RECENTLY) and as i told you, hypocrisy shouldn't be tolerated. it could be a random threat by anyone in this community and if that person did the same, i would be exposing him too...[/quote]
I see we're resorting to calling out our nationalities. Oh well. If hypocrisy can't be tolerated, then most of us can be called guilty. While I'm not from South America, I speak for myself as a member of the community here. I have a passion for this group of people and the game we play, I want to see them to overcome these problems. And I know I am supporting those who have the same passion as well. If you're not cool with that, then agree to disagree. To each of our own.
(TRANSLATION @smokio u think ur funny?
im gonna fuck you up) -as if he could lol-[/quote]
And your point is?[/quote]
it clearly flew over your head. tl;dr if you're gonna expose someone, don't be a hypocrite[/quote]
Everyone has their own mistakes in the past. We're not saints, after all. You could say we're all hypocrites at some level or another. What we should do is looking at the bigger picture. Maybe not make this about your problem with him, but about the problems that the SA community are dealing with which is clearly the topic is right now.[/quote]
sa community never existed and it will continue that way until these neo caporegimes can lower their "kawaii" internet ego (why are you even trying to front, you're from indonesia lol xd xd xd). my screenshot is less than a month old (A.K.A RECENTLY) and as i told you, hypocrisy shouldn't be tolerated. it could be a random threat by anyone in this community and if that person did the same, i would be exposing him too...[/quote]
I see we're resorting to calling out our nationalities. Oh well. If hypocrisy can't be tolerated, then most of us can be called guilty. While I'm not from South America, I speak for myself as a member of the community here. I have a passion for this group of people and the game we play, I want to see them to overcome these problems. And I know I am supporting those who have the same passion as well. If you're not cool with that, then agree to disagree. To each of our own.
Corruption, influence peddling, threats, racism, sexism... they're all inexorably related to the human race so is not really surprising to see them everywhere. Still a very sad thing to see them happening on our TF2 community.
Corruption, influence peddling, threats, racism, sexism... they're all inexorably related to the human race so is not really surprising to see them everywhere. Still a very sad thing to see them happening on our TF2 community.
concordesmokioEveryone has their own mistakes in the past. We're not saints, after all. You could say we're all hypocrites at some level or another. What we should do is looking at the bigger picture. Maybe not make this about your problem with him, but about the problems that the SA community are dealing with which is clearly the topic is right now. They're trying to expose the horrible people that ruins the experiences for the competitive community, yet you're here making it about you.concordesmokiohttps://imgur.com/a/lCENf1p said by the same person who did this post...And your point is?
(TRANSLATION @smokio u think ur funny?
im gonna fuck you up) -as if he could lol-
it clearly flew over your head. tl;dr if you're gonna expose someone, don't be a hypocrite
also, if you wanna try and have a valid statement, read what this lil kid posted. it's not bad at all and if your brain cells lock together for the first time ever, you will understand the background message (kiddos from both "sides" that move in small non significant groups arguing about who's better @ the game and behaving like dying fetuses who lack normal human interaction skills. main reasons of why s.a scene is non existent). im argentinian and i don't fuck w none of them (arg, brasil, chile) i stand by myself. before anyone tries to claim that i'm biased towards X side
[quote=concorde][quote=smokio][quote=concorde][quote=smokio]https://imgur.com/a/lCENf1p said by the same person who did this post...
(TRANSLATION @smokio u think ur funny?
im gonna fuck you up) -as if he could lol-[/quote]
And your point is?[/quote]
it clearly flew over your head. tl;dr if you're gonna expose someone, don't be a hypocrite[/quote]
Everyone has their own mistakes in the past. We're not saints, after all. You could say we're all hypocrites at some level or another. What we should do is looking at the bigger picture. Maybe not make this about your problem with him, but about the problems that the SA community are dealing with which is clearly the topic is right now. They're trying to expose the horrible people that ruins the experiences for the competitive community, yet you're here making it about you.[/quote]
also, if you wanna try and have a valid statement, read what this lil kid posted. it's not bad at all and if your brain cells lock together for the first time ever, you will understand the background message (kiddos from both "sides" that move in small non significant groups arguing about who's better @ the game and behaving like dying fetuses who lack normal human interaction skills. main reasons of why s.a scene is non existent). im argentinian and i don't fuck w none of them (arg, brasil, chile) i stand by myself. before anyone tries to claim that i'm biased towards X side
(TRANSLATION @smokio u think ur funny?
im gonna fuck you up) -as if he could lol-[/quote]
And your point is?[/quote]
it clearly flew over your head. tl;dr if you're gonna expose someone, don't be a hypocrite[/quote]
Everyone has their own mistakes in the past. We're not saints, after all. You could say we're all hypocrites at some level or another. What we should do is looking at the bigger picture. Maybe not make this about your problem with him, but about the problems that the SA community are dealing with which is clearly the topic is right now. They're trying to expose the horrible people that ruins the experiences for the competitive community, yet you're here making it about you.[/quote]
also, if you wanna try and have a valid statement, read what this lil kid posted. it's not bad at all and if your brain cells lock together for the first time ever, you will understand the background message (kiddos from both "sides" that move in small non significant groups arguing about who's better @ the game and behaving like dying fetuses who lack normal human interaction skills. main reasons of why s.a scene is non existent). im argentinian and i don't fuck w none of them (arg, brasil, chile) i stand by myself. before anyone tries to claim that i'm biased towards X side
concordesmokioI see we're resorting to calling out our nationalities. Oh well. If hypocrisy can't be tolerated, then most of us can be called guilty. While I'm not from South America, I speak for myself as a member of the community here. I have a passion for this group of people and the game we play, I want to see them to overcome these problems. And I know I am supporting those who have the same passion as well. If you're not cool with that, then agree to disagree. To each of our own.concordesmokioEveryone has their own mistakes in the past. We're not saints, after all. You could say we're all hypocrites at some level or another. What we should do is looking at the bigger picture. Maybe not make this about your problem with him, but about the problems that the SA community are dealing with which is clearly the topic is right now.concordesmokiohttps://imgur.com/a/lCENf1p said by the same person who did this post...And your point is?
(TRANSLATION @smokio u think ur funny?
im gonna fuck you up) -as if he could lol-
it clearly flew over your head. tl;dr if you're gonna expose someone, don't be a hypocrite
sa community never existed and it will continue that way until these neo caporegimes can lower their "kawaii" internet ego (why are you even trying to front, you're from indonesia lol xd xd xd). my screenshot is less than a month old (A.K.A RECENTLY) and as i told you, hypocrisy shouldn't be tolerated. it could be a random threat by anyone in this community and if that person did the same, i would be exposing him too...
you can support whatever u feel like, i don't care lol. but don't try and give me an L when you can't even play in south american servers and mostly, when you don't know shit about how these fetuses behave.
[quote=concorde][quote=smokio][quote=concorde][quote=smokio][quote=concorde][quote=smokio]https://imgur.com/a/lCENf1p said by the same person who did this post...
(TRANSLATION @smokio u think ur funny?
im gonna fuck you up) -as if he could lol-[/quote]
And your point is?[/quote]
it clearly flew over your head. tl;dr if you're gonna expose someone, don't be a hypocrite[/quote]
Everyone has their own mistakes in the past. We're not saints, after all. You could say we're all hypocrites at some level or another. What we should do is looking at the bigger picture. Maybe not make this about your problem with him, but about the problems that the SA community are dealing with which is clearly the topic is right now.[/quote]
sa community never existed and it will continue that way until these neo caporegimes can lower their "kawaii" internet ego (why are you even trying to front, you're from indonesia lol xd xd xd). my screenshot is less than a month old (A.K.A RECENTLY) and as i told you, hypocrisy shouldn't be tolerated. it could be a random threat by anyone in this community and if that person did the same, i would be exposing him too...[/quote]
I see we're resorting to calling out our nationalities. Oh well. If hypocrisy can't be tolerated, then most of us can be called guilty. While I'm not from South America, I speak for myself as a member of the community here. I have a passion for this group of people and the game we play, I want to see them to overcome these problems. And I know I am supporting those who have the same passion as well. If you're not cool with that, then agree to disagree. To each of our own.[/quote]
you can support whatever u feel like, i don't care lol. but don't try and give me an L when you can't even play in south american servers and mostly, when you don't know shit about how these fetuses behave.
(TRANSLATION @smokio u think ur funny?
im gonna fuck you up) -as if he could lol-[/quote]
And your point is?[/quote]
it clearly flew over your head. tl;dr if you're gonna expose someone, don't be a hypocrite[/quote]
Everyone has their own mistakes in the past. We're not saints, after all. You could say we're all hypocrites at some level or another. What we should do is looking at the bigger picture. Maybe not make this about your problem with him, but about the problems that the SA community are dealing with which is clearly the topic is right now.[/quote]
sa community never existed and it will continue that way until these neo caporegimes can lower their "kawaii" internet ego (why are you even trying to front, you're from indonesia lol xd xd xd). my screenshot is less than a month old (A.K.A RECENTLY) and as i told you, hypocrisy shouldn't be tolerated. it could be a random threat by anyone in this community and if that person did the same, i would be exposing him too...[/quote]
I see we're resorting to calling out our nationalities. Oh well. If hypocrisy can't be tolerated, then most of us can be called guilty. While I'm not from South America, I speak for myself as a member of the community here. I have a passion for this group of people and the game we play, I want to see them to overcome these problems. And I know I am supporting those who have the same passion as well. If you're not cool with that, then agree to disagree. To each of our own.[/quote]
you can support whatever u feel like, i don't care lol. but don't try and give me an L when you can't even play in south american servers and mostly, when you don't know shit about how these fetuses behave.
Well. Just so you all know, while this is very sad for the community, we also have a lot of people interested in making the community better here in SA. Glad to see justice served for these corrupt people. I'm not actively playing anymore, but I still support the existing leagues by providing servers, and there are good-hearted people offering their free time to manage and make new tournaments happen.
Cheers from Brazil <3
https://i.imgur.com/YMGbTUN.png
https://i.imgur.com/VE8quV7.png
Bonus:
Well. Just so you all know, while this is very sad for the community, we also have a lot of people interested in making the community better here in SA. Glad to see justice served for these corrupt people. I'm not actively playing anymore, but I still support the existing leagues by providing servers, and there are good-hearted people offering their free time to manage and make new tournaments happen.
Cheers from Brazil <3
[img]https://i.imgur.com/YMGbTUN.png[/img]
[img]https://i.imgur.com/VE8quV7.png[/img]
Bonus: [img]https://i.imgur.com/dhRTlIh.png[/img]
Cheers from Brazil <3
[img]https://i.imgur.com/YMGbTUN.png[/img]
[img]https://i.imgur.com/VE8quV7.png[/img]
Bonus: [img]https://i.imgur.com/dhRTlIh.png[/img]
It is a very sad fact that we have this kind of things happening around a shrinking community, however, we still have the power of making it a good place. it tottaly depends on the ones administrating it, when you have a group of toxic people, you can't expect less than a toxic comunity.
I miss the Chapelaria times, where we've done the best we could at our limited rescources to make the best enviroment as we could.
I don't have any thoughts about Pepito and Flawless, besides the fact that they have to face the concequences of their acts. I hope they don't get back the hate they have spread.
I'm happy to se the Analytics tool is beeing used as intended: a truth repository.
Remember, there will never be enough toxicity to overcome the ones that really want to do the greater good.
As sonikro said: Cheers from Brazil <3
It is a very sad fact that we have this kind of things happening around a shrinking community, however, we still have the power of making it a good place. it tottaly depends on the ones administrating it, when you have a group of toxic people, you can't expect less than a toxic comunity.
I miss the Chapelaria times, where we've done the best we could at our limited rescources to make the best enviroment as we could.
I don't have any thoughts about Pepito and Flawless, besides the fact that they have to face the concequences of their acts. I hope they don't get back the hate they have spread.
I'm happy to se the Analytics tool is beeing used as intended: a truth repository.
Remember, there will never be enough toxicity to overcome the ones that really want to do the greater good.
As sonikro said: Cheers from Brazil <3
I miss the Chapelaria times, where we've done the best we could at our limited rescources to make the best enviroment as we could.
I don't have any thoughts about Pepito and Flawless, besides the fact that they have to face the concequences of their acts. I hope they don't get back the hate they have spread.
I'm happy to se the Analytics tool is beeing used as intended: a truth repository.
Remember, there will never be enough toxicity to overcome the ones that really want to do the greater good.
As sonikro said: Cheers from Brazil <3
smokiohttps://imgur.com/a/lCENf1p said by the same person who did this post...
(TRANSLATION @smokio u think ur funny?
im gonna fuck you up) -as if he could lol-
im sure that's the same ddosing, selling medals, and generally being a prick in the south american community. as well, im not sure what country you're from, and honestly don't care, but in Argentina saying that really doesn't mean anything, as we take it with comedy. If ratawar, or anyone in this country, wanted to "reventarte el culo a patadas", we wouldn't say it in that manner.
[quote=smokio]https://imgur.com/a/lCENf1p said by the same person who did this post...
(TRANSLATION @smokio u think ur funny?
im gonna fuck you up) -as if he could lol-[/quote]
im sure that's the same ddosing, selling medals, and generally being a prick in the south american community. as well, im not sure what country you're from, and honestly don't care, but in Argentina saying that really doesn't mean anything, as we take it with comedy. If ratawar, or anyone in this country, wanted to "reventarte el culo a patadas", we wouldn't say it in that manner.
(TRANSLATION @smokio u think ur funny?
im gonna fuck you up) -as if he could lol-[/quote]
im sure that's the same ddosing, selling medals, and generally being a prick in the south american community. as well, im not sure what country you're from, and honestly don't care, but in Argentina saying that really doesn't mean anything, as we take it with comedy. If ratawar, or anyone in this country, wanted to "reventarte el culo a patadas", we wouldn't say it in that manner.
smokioconcordesmokioEveryone has their own mistakes in the past. We're not saints, after all. You could say we're all hypocrites at some level or another. What we should do is looking at the bigger picture. Maybe not make this about your problem with him, but about the problems that the SA community are dealing with which is clearly the topic is right now.concordesmokiohttps://imgur.com/a/lCENf1p said by the same person who did this post...And your point is?
(TRANSLATION @smokio u think ur funny?
im gonna fuck you up) -as if he could lol-
it clearly flew over your head. tl;dr if you're gonna expose someone, don't be a hypocrite
sa community never existed and it will continue that way until these neo caporegimes can lower their "kawaii" internet ego (why are you even trying to front, you're from indonesia lol xd xd xd). my screenshot is less than a month old (A.K.A RECENTLY) and as i told you, hypocrisy shouldn't be tolerated. it could be a random threat by anyone in this community and if that person did the same, i would be exposing him too...
south american outcast mad at world because no friends due to being retarded
[quote=smokio][quote=concorde][quote=smokio][quote=concorde][quote=smokio]https://imgur.com/a/lCENf1p said by the same person who did this post...
(TRANSLATION @smokio u think ur funny?
im gonna fuck you up) -as if he could lol-[/quote]
And your point is?[/quote]
it clearly flew over your head. tl;dr if you're gonna expose someone, don't be a hypocrite[/quote]
Everyone has their own mistakes in the past. We're not saints, after all. You could say we're all hypocrites at some level or another. What we should do is looking at the bigger picture. Maybe not make this about your problem with him, but about the problems that the SA community are dealing with which is clearly the topic is right now.[/quote]
sa community never existed and it will continue that way until these neo caporegimes can lower their "kawaii" internet ego (why are you even trying to front, you're from indonesia lol xd xd xd). my screenshot is less than a month old (A.K.A RECENTLY) and as i told you, hypocrisy shouldn't be tolerated. it could be a random threat by anyone in this community and if that person did the same, i would be exposing him too...[/quote]
south american outcast mad at world because no friends due to being retarded
(TRANSLATION @smokio u think ur funny?
im gonna fuck you up) -as if he could lol-[/quote]
And your point is?[/quote]
it clearly flew over your head. tl;dr if you're gonna expose someone, don't be a hypocrite[/quote]
Everyone has their own mistakes in the past. We're not saints, after all. You could say we're all hypocrites at some level or another. What we should do is looking at the bigger picture. Maybe not make this about your problem with him, but about the problems that the SA community are dealing with which is clearly the topic is right now.[/quote]
sa community never existed and it will continue that way until these neo caporegimes can lower their "kawaii" internet ego (why are you even trying to front, you're from indonesia lol xd xd xd). my screenshot is less than a month old (A.K.A RECENTLY) and as i told you, hypocrisy shouldn't be tolerated. it could be a random threat by anyone in this community and if that person did the same, i would be exposing him too...[/quote]
south american outcast mad at world because no friends due to being retarded
2.2.1- Unfair divisions, and rigging of Vanilla Fortress
I'd like to clarify a bit as this part is completely wrong:
This started when I quit my previous team who was in a higher division and asked flawless if I could play with his team, he then to accept it. If I joined the team, it would just make the open division (who was dominated by astronomy domine, a team who hadn't dropped a single map the entire season, they hadn't quit, they were still leaders) a lot more exciting. However, before I knew it flawless decided to add pepito to the team as well, because his team dropped from the invite division. There was A BIG discussion between the staff members as if this rosters changes should be accepted. After the whole night discussing, a member of the staff suggested that we should allow this changes, as long as we would allow some previous roster changes some teams made before to be allowed too. For instance, astronomy domine IIRC wanted to add some players, but it was refused as they would literally become a IM team at that point. The same happened to some teams from higher divisions.
After me and pepito (I didn't knew pepito would be added to before the discussion) were accepted in the team, the staff decided to allow stronger players to be added to every team, thus creating a stack fest in the whole league.
Also, after we won the division, NONE of us got any keys from the prize pool, we gave them to all the other players from the team as some people were still complaining about it.
TLDR: the idea of making the skill level of the divisions higher wasn't flawless's or pepito's idea and none of us got any keys from the prize-pool
Just to clarify this part, any questions you can still ask me.
[quote]2.2.1- Unfair divisions, and rigging of Vanilla Fortress
[/quote]
I'd like to clarify a bit as this part is completely wrong:
This started when I quit my previous team who was in a higher division and asked flawless if I could play with his team, he then to accept it. If I joined the team, it would just make the open division (who was dominated by astronomy domine, a team who hadn't dropped a single map the entire season, they hadn't quit, they were still leaders) a lot more exciting. However, before I knew it flawless decided to add pepito to the team as well, because his team dropped from the invite division. There was A BIG discussion between the staff members as if this rosters changes should be accepted. After the whole night discussing, a member of the staff suggested that we should allow this changes, as long as we would allow some previous roster changes some teams made before to be allowed too. For instance, astronomy domine IIRC wanted to add some players, but it was refused as they would literally become a IM team at that point. The same happened to some teams from higher divisions.
After me and pepito (I didn't knew pepito would be added to before the discussion) were accepted in the team, the staff decided to allow stronger players to be added to every team, thus creating a stack fest in the whole league.
Also, after we won the division, NONE of us got any keys from the prize pool, we gave them to all the other players from the team as some people were still complaining about it.
TLDR: the idea of making the skill level of the divisions higher wasn't flawless's or pepito's idea and none of us got any keys from the prize-pool
Just to clarify this part, any questions you can still ask me.
[/quote]
I'd like to clarify a bit as this part is completely wrong:
This started when I quit my previous team who was in a higher division and asked flawless if I could play with his team, he then to accept it. If I joined the team, it would just make the open division (who was dominated by astronomy domine, a team who hadn't dropped a single map the entire season, they hadn't quit, they were still leaders) a lot more exciting. However, before I knew it flawless decided to add pepito to the team as well, because his team dropped from the invite division. There was A BIG discussion between the staff members as if this rosters changes should be accepted. After the whole night discussing, a member of the staff suggested that we should allow this changes, as long as we would allow some previous roster changes some teams made before to be allowed too. For instance, astronomy domine IIRC wanted to add some players, but it was refused as they would literally become a IM team at that point. The same happened to some teams from higher divisions.
After me and pepito (I didn't knew pepito would be added to before the discussion) were accepted in the team, the staff decided to allow stronger players to be added to every team, thus creating a stack fest in the whole league.
Also, after we won the division, NONE of us got any keys from the prize pool, we gave them to all the other players from the team as some people were still complaining about it.
TLDR: the idea of making the skill level of the divisions higher wasn't flawless's or pepito's idea and none of us got any keys from the prize-pool
Just to clarify this part, any questions you can still ask me.
Nickzzzzzika2.2.1- Unfair divisions, and rigging of Vanilla FortressI'd like to clarify a bit as this part is completely wrong:
This started when I quit my previous team who was in a higher division and asked flawless if I could play with his team, he then to accept it. If I joined the team, it would just make the open division (who was dominated by astronomy domine, a team who hadn't dropped a single map the entire season, they hadn't quit, they were still leaders) a lot more exciting. However, before I knew it flawless decided to add pepito to the team as well, because his team dropped from the invite division. There was A BIG discussion between the staff members as if this rosters changes should be accepted. After the whole night discussing, a member of the staff suggested that we should allow this changes, as long as we would allow some previous roster changes some teams made before to be allowed too. For instance, astronomy domine IIRC wanted to add some players, but it was refused as they would literally become a IM team at that point. The same happened to some teams from higher divisions.
After me and pepito (I didn't knew pepito would be added to before the discussion) were accepted in the team, the staff decided to allow stronger players to be added to every team, thus creating a stack fest in the whole league.
Also, after we won the division, NONE of us got any keys from the prize pool, we gave them to all the other players from the team as some people were still complaining about it.
TLDR: the idea of making the skill level of the divisions higher wasn't flawless's or pepito's idea and none of us got any keys from the prize-pool
Just to clarify this part, any questions you can still ask me.
Most players of the astronomy domine players were actual open players with limited competitive 6v6 experience, a few exceptions can be found but in no way any player on the roster was invite level back when the drama happened. Someone needs to win, and it happened that this team was the strongest on the division.
It doesnt really matter if they tried adding higher level players into the team before, its the admins job to prevent this from happening. But guess what? They make a rule that consequently led to 2 admins with "invite" experience in the same team on the lowest division, and it turned out as everyone expected, they ended up winning without much effort. If you think this is normal and they didnt act in bad faith i feel sorry for you.
Also, pepito himself claimed many times using the donations the league recieved for personal profit, and you are telling that all the donations were used in the prizepool? Something just doesnt feel right here.
[quote=Nickzzzzzika][quote]2.2.1- Unfair divisions, and rigging of Vanilla Fortress
[/quote]
I'd like to clarify a bit as this part is completely wrong:
This started when I quit my previous team who was in a higher division and asked flawless if I could play with his team, he then to accept it. If I joined the team, it would just make the open division (who was dominated by astronomy domine, a team who hadn't dropped a single map the entire season, they hadn't quit, they were still leaders) a lot more exciting. However, before I knew it flawless decided to add pepito to the team as well, because his team dropped from the invite division. There was A BIG discussion between the staff members as if this rosters changes should be accepted. After the whole night discussing, a member of the staff suggested that we should allow this changes, as long as we would allow some previous roster changes some teams made before to be allowed too. For instance, astronomy domine IIRC wanted to add some players, but it was refused as they would literally become a IM team at that point. The same happened to some teams from higher divisions.
After me and pepito (I didn't knew pepito would be added to before the discussion) were accepted in the team, the staff decided to allow stronger players to be added to every team, thus creating a stack fest in the whole league.
Also, after we won the division, NONE of us got any keys from the prize pool, we gave them to all the other players from the team as some people were still complaining about it.
TLDR: the idea of making the skill level of the divisions higher wasn't flawless's or pepito's idea and none of us got any keys from the prize-pool
Just to clarify this part, any questions you can still ask me.[/quote]
Most players of the astronomy domine players were actual open players with limited competitive 6v6 experience, a few exceptions can be found but in no way any player on the roster was invite level back when the drama happened. Someone needs to win, and it happened that this team was the strongest on the division.
It doesnt really matter if they tried adding higher level players into the team before, its the admins job to prevent this from happening. But guess what? They make a rule that consequently led to 2 admins with "invite" experience in the same team on the lowest division, and it turned out as everyone expected, they ended up winning without much effort. If you think this is normal and they didnt act in bad faith i feel sorry for you.
Also, pepito himself claimed many times using the donations the league recieved for personal profit, and you are telling that all the donations were used in the prizepool? Something just doesnt feel right here.
[/quote]
I'd like to clarify a bit as this part is completely wrong:
This started when I quit my previous team who was in a higher division and asked flawless if I could play with his team, he then to accept it. If I joined the team, it would just make the open division (who was dominated by astronomy domine, a team who hadn't dropped a single map the entire season, they hadn't quit, they were still leaders) a lot more exciting. However, before I knew it flawless decided to add pepito to the team as well, because his team dropped from the invite division. There was A BIG discussion between the staff members as if this rosters changes should be accepted. After the whole night discussing, a member of the staff suggested that we should allow this changes, as long as we would allow some previous roster changes some teams made before to be allowed too. For instance, astronomy domine IIRC wanted to add some players, but it was refused as they would literally become a IM team at that point. The same happened to some teams from higher divisions.
After me and pepito (I didn't knew pepito would be added to before the discussion) were accepted in the team, the staff decided to allow stronger players to be added to every team, thus creating a stack fest in the whole league.
Also, after we won the division, NONE of us got any keys from the prize pool, we gave them to all the other players from the team as some people were still complaining about it.
TLDR: the idea of making the skill level of the divisions higher wasn't flawless's or pepito's idea and none of us got any keys from the prize-pool
Just to clarify this part, any questions you can still ask me.[/quote]
Most players of the astronomy domine players were actual open players with limited competitive 6v6 experience, a few exceptions can be found but in no way any player on the roster was invite level back when the drama happened. Someone needs to win, and it happened that this team was the strongest on the division.
It doesnt really matter if they tried adding higher level players into the team before, its the admins job to prevent this from happening. But guess what? They make a rule that consequently led to 2 admins with "invite" experience in the same team on the lowest division, and it turned out as everyone expected, they ended up winning without much effort. If you think this is normal and they didnt act in bad faith i feel sorry for you.
Also, pepito himself claimed many times using the donations the league recieved for personal profit, and you are telling that all the donations were used in the prizepool? Something just doesnt feel right here.
I won't be naive to affirm this circlejerk of manchilds is the only reason why Brazilian competitive scene collapsed but I can assure they were one of the reasons. Back there when I banned both pepito in 2016 and flawless in 2017 one could assume they would take their time to rethink about a lot of things, however such task proved to be impossible to these mentally impaired beings. I'd like to see some sort of action from valve, since they DID use valve's assets to their own profit.
Also, it should be noted Brazil is not the only country in South America with stupid assholes. Recently, a lot of players from Argentina and even Chile have started acting like they live in some sort of white supremacist european utopia, resulting in actions as deplorable as pepito's.
I won't be naive to affirm this circlejerk of manchilds is the only reason why Brazilian competitive scene collapsed but I can assure they were one of the reasons. Back there when I banned both pepito in 2016 and flawless in 2017 one could assume they would take their time to rethink about a lot of things, however such task proved to be impossible to these mentally impaired beings. I'd like to see some sort of action from valve, since they DID use valve's assets to their own profit.
Also, it should be noted Brazil is not the only country in South America with stupid assholes. Recently, a lot of players from Argentina and even Chile have started acting like they live in some sort of white supremacist european utopia, resulting in actions as deplorable as pepito's.
Also, it should be noted Brazil is not the only country in South America with stupid assholes. Recently, a lot of players from Argentina and even Chile have started acting like they live in some sort of white supremacist european utopia, resulting in actions as deplorable as pepito's.
aratingaI won't be naive to affirm this circlejerk of manchilds is the only reason why Brazilian competitive scene collapsed but I can assure they were one of the reasons. Back there when I banned both pepito in 2016 and flawless in 2017 one could assume they would take their time to rethink about a lot of things, however such task proved to be impossible to these mentally impaired beings. I'd like to see some sort of action from valve, since they DID use valve's assets to their own profit.
Also, it should be noted Brazil is not the only country in South America with stupid assholes. Recently, a lot of players from Argentina and even Chile have started acting like they live in some sort of white supremacist european utopia, resulting in actions as deplorable as pepito's.
and banning people from being from northeast or calling you a bad player, is it fair? You're just like then.
[quote=aratinga]I won't be naive to affirm this circlejerk of manchilds is the only reason why Brazilian competitive scene collapsed but I can assure they were one of the reasons. Back there when I banned both pepito in 2016 and flawless in 2017 one could assume they would take their time to rethink about a lot of things, however such task proved to be impossible to these mentally impaired beings. I'd like to see some sort of action from valve, since they DID use valve's assets to their own profit.
Also, it should be noted Brazil is not the only country in South America with stupid assholes. Recently, a lot of players from Argentina and even Chile have started acting like they live in some sort of white supremacist european utopia, resulting in actions as deplorable as pepito's.[/quote]
and banning people from being from northeast or calling you a bad player, is it fair? You're just like then.
Also, it should be noted Brazil is not the only country in South America with stupid assholes. Recently, a lot of players from Argentina and even Chile have started acting like they live in some sort of white supremacist european utopia, resulting in actions as deplorable as pepito's.[/quote]
and banning people from being from northeast or calling you a bad player, is it fair? You're just like then.
ZolakNickzzzzzika2.2.1- Unfair divisions, and rigging of Vanilla FortressI'd like to clarify a bit as this part is completely wrong:
This started when I quit my previous team who was in a higher division and asked flawless if I could play with his team, he then to accept it. If I joined the team, it would just make the open division (who was dominated by astronomy domine, a team who hadn't dropped a single map the entire season, they hadn't quit, they were still leaders) a lot more exciting. However, before I knew it flawless decided to add pepito to the team as well, because his team dropped from the invite division. There was A BIG discussion between the staff members as if this rosters changes should be accepted. After the whole night discussing, a member of the staff suggested that we should allow this changes, as long as we would allow some previous roster changes some teams made before to be allowed too. For instance, astronomy domine IIRC wanted to add some players, but it was refused as they would literally become a IM team at that point. The same happened to some teams from higher divisions.
After me and pepito (I didn't knew pepito would be added to before the discussion) were accepted in the team, the staff decided to allow stronger players to be added to every team, thus creating a stack fest in the whole league.
Also, after we won the division, NONE of us got any keys from the prize pool, we gave them to all the other players from the team as some people were still complaining about it.
TLDR: the idea of making the skill level of the divisions higher wasn't flawless's or pepito's idea and none of us got any keys from the prize-pool
Just to clarify this part, any questions you can still ask me.
Most players of the astronomy domine players were actual open players with limited competitive 6v6 experience, a few exceptions can be found but in no way any player on the roster was invite level back when the drama happened. Someone needs to win, and it happened that this team was the strongest on the division.
It doesnt really matter if they tried adding higher level players into the team before, its the admins job to prevent this from happening. But guess what? They make a rule that consequently led to 2 admins with "invite" experience in the same team on the lowest division, and it turned out as everyone expected, they ended up winning without much effort. If you think this is normal and they didnt act in bad faith i feel sorry for you.
Also, pepito himself claimed many times using the donations the league recieved for personal profit, and you are telling that all the donations were used in the prizepool? Something just doesnt feel right here.
I literally just said the idea of allowing them in the same team didnt came from them. A member of the staff (I of course wont mention whom) had that idea and the whole staff accepted, I wouldnt mind not playing the rest of the season if they decided it. As far as I know every winner from the divisions got the medals from the prizepool and nobody complained about it, but the keys he got from selling the medals were never made public (lmao) so I dont know how much he made from it. Im saying the medals from the donations in de discord were distributed, but these medals he made for his own profit obviously are only with him.
[quote=Zolak][quote=Nickzzzzzika][quote]2.2.1- Unfair divisions, and rigging of Vanilla Fortress
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I'd like to clarify a bit as this part is completely wrong:
This started when I quit my previous team who was in a higher division and asked flawless if I could play with his team, he then to accept it. If I joined the team, it would just make the open division (who was dominated by astronomy domine, a team who hadn't dropped a single map the entire season, they hadn't quit, they were still leaders) a lot more exciting. However, before I knew it flawless decided to add pepito to the team as well, because his team dropped from the invite division. There was A BIG discussion between the staff members as if this rosters changes should be accepted. After the whole night discussing, a member of the staff suggested that we should allow this changes, as long as we would allow some previous roster changes some teams made before to be allowed too. For instance, astronomy domine IIRC wanted to add some players, but it was refused as they would literally become a IM team at that point. The same happened to some teams from higher divisions.
After me and pepito (I didn't knew pepito would be added to before the discussion) were accepted in the team, the staff decided to allow stronger players to be added to every team, thus creating a stack fest in the whole league.
Also, after we won the division, NONE of us got any keys from the prize pool, we gave them to all the other players from the team as some people were still complaining about it.
TLDR: the idea of making the skill level of the divisions higher wasn't flawless's or pepito's idea and none of us got any keys from the prize-pool
Just to clarify this part, any questions you can still ask me.[/quote]
Most players of the astronomy domine players were actual open players with limited competitive 6v6 experience, a few exceptions can be found but in no way any player on the roster was invite level back when the drama happened. Someone needs to win, and it happened that this team was the strongest on the division.
It doesnt really matter if they tried adding higher level players into the team before, its the admins job to prevent this from happening. But guess what? They make a rule that consequently led to 2 admins with "invite" experience in the same team on the lowest division, and it turned out as everyone expected, they ended up winning without much effort. If you think this is normal and they didnt act in bad faith i feel sorry for you.
Also, pepito himself claimed many times using the donations the league recieved for personal profit, and you are telling that all the donations were used in the prizepool? Something just doesnt feel right here.[/quote]
I literally just said the idea of allowing them in the same team didnt came from them. A member of the staff (I of course wont mention whom) had that idea and the whole staff accepted, I wouldnt mind not playing the rest of the season if they decided it. As far as I know every winner from the divisions got the medals from the prizepool and nobody complained about it, but the keys he got from selling the medals were never made public (lmao) so I dont know how much he made from it. Im saying the medals from the donations in de discord were distributed, but these medals he made for his own profit obviously are only with him.
[/quote]
I'd like to clarify a bit as this part is completely wrong:
This started when I quit my previous team who was in a higher division and asked flawless if I could play with his team, he then to accept it. If I joined the team, it would just make the open division (who was dominated by astronomy domine, a team who hadn't dropped a single map the entire season, they hadn't quit, they were still leaders) a lot more exciting. However, before I knew it flawless decided to add pepito to the team as well, because his team dropped from the invite division. There was A BIG discussion between the staff members as if this rosters changes should be accepted. After the whole night discussing, a member of the staff suggested that we should allow this changes, as long as we would allow some previous roster changes some teams made before to be allowed too. For instance, astronomy domine IIRC wanted to add some players, but it was refused as they would literally become a IM team at that point. The same happened to some teams from higher divisions.
After me and pepito (I didn't knew pepito would be added to before the discussion) were accepted in the team, the staff decided to allow stronger players to be added to every team, thus creating a stack fest in the whole league.
Also, after we won the division, NONE of us got any keys from the prize pool, we gave them to all the other players from the team as some people were still complaining about it.
TLDR: the idea of making the skill level of the divisions higher wasn't flawless's or pepito's idea and none of us got any keys from the prize-pool
Just to clarify this part, any questions you can still ask me.[/quote]
Most players of the astronomy domine players were actual open players with limited competitive 6v6 experience, a few exceptions can be found but in no way any player on the roster was invite level back when the drama happened. Someone needs to win, and it happened that this team was the strongest on the division.
It doesnt really matter if they tried adding higher level players into the team before, its the admins job to prevent this from happening. But guess what? They make a rule that consequently led to 2 admins with "invite" experience in the same team on the lowest division, and it turned out as everyone expected, they ended up winning without much effort. If you think this is normal and they didnt act in bad faith i feel sorry for you.
Also, pepito himself claimed many times using the donations the league recieved for personal profit, and you are telling that all the donations were used in the prizepool? Something just doesnt feel right here.[/quote]
I literally just said the idea of allowing them in the same team didnt came from them. A member of the staff (I of course wont mention whom) had that idea and the whole staff accepted, I wouldnt mind not playing the rest of the season if they decided it. As far as I know every winner from the divisions got the medals from the prizepool and nobody complained about it, but the keys he got from selling the medals were never made public (lmao) so I dont know how much he made from it. Im saying the medals from the donations in de discord were distributed, but these medals he made for his own profit obviously are only with him.
DoaratingaI won't be naive to affirm this circlejerk of manchilds is the only reason why Brazilian competitive scene collapsed but I can assure they were one of the reasons. Back there when I banned both pepito in 2016 and flawless in 2017 one could assume they would take their time to rethink about a lot of things, however such task proved to be impossible to these mentally impaired beings. I'd like to see some sort of action from valve, since they DID use valve's assets to their own profit.
Also, it should be noted Brazil is not the only country in South America with stupid assholes. Recently, a lot of players from Argentina and even Chile have started acting like they live in some sort of white supremacist european utopia, resulting in actions as deplorable as pepito's.
and banning people from being from northeast or calling you a bad player, is it fair? You're just like then.
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[quote=Do][quote=aratinga]I won't be naive to affirm this circlejerk of manchilds is the only reason why Brazilian competitive scene collapsed but I can assure they were one of the reasons. Back there when I banned both pepito in 2016 and flawless in 2017 one could assume they would take their time to rethink about a lot of things, however such task proved to be impossible to these mentally impaired beings. I'd like to see some sort of action from valve, since they DID use valve's assets to their own profit.
Also, it should be noted Brazil is not the only country in South America with stupid assholes. Recently, a lot of players from Argentina and even Chile have started acting like they live in some sort of white supremacist european utopia, resulting in actions as deplorable as pepito's.[/quote]
and banning people from being from northeast or calling you a bad player, is it fair? You're just like then.[/quote]
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Also, it should be noted Brazil is not the only country in South America with stupid assholes. Recently, a lot of players from Argentina and even Chile have started acting like they live in some sort of white supremacist european utopia, resulting in actions as deplorable as pepito's.[/quote]
and banning people from being from northeast or calling you a bad player, is it fair? You're just like then.[/quote]
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MakyAnother nail in TF2's coffin...
SA scene is literally irrelevant, it won't change anything
[quote=Maky]Another nail in TF2's coffin...[/quote]
SA scene is literally irrelevant, it won't change anything
SA scene is literally irrelevant, it won't change anything
ninjaxaratinga Also, it should be noted Brazil is not the only country in South America with stupid assholes. Recently, a lot of players from Argentina and even Chile have started acting like they live in some sort of white supremacist european utopia, resulting in actions as deplorable as pepito's.
As a (somewhat authorized?) voice of sa tf2 I'd like to talk about something that people are overlooking here. Everything in that post (or at least pepito's part) is 100% true, now they're only showing you one side of the coin.
I'm just playing devil's advocate here, while these things are indeed true and it's good to see them come out to light I think it's best to show both sides to make you realize no one's good at all here and everyone does the same fucked up shit besides special actions like ddosing.
wanderlustsmokio
While we're at it you should tell everyone here you got banned for making fun of someone's dead friend in a grand final match, and even thought what you said was justified because the other guy tried to bm you. It's okay though, not like no one here doesn't already know you're a retard that lives off doxxing and harassing other people whenever you get the chance to.
I'm honestly sorry I have to call out other people on this but I don't think it's fair for the people these guys have harassed to have the rest of tftv see them as what they're not. South american tf2 is fucked up everywhere and sadly I don't think there's anything that can be done to turn it back.
Before playing devil's advocate try to remember that this isn't showing one side of the coin, it's just exposing a guy, if you and others want to expose people from the argentinian community, do it. But I am not involved in any league, I didn't write the doc, I didn't involve myself in any of this, so your claims that I did the same are out of line. Nobody that worked in this post did anything to legit's tf wiki. Your claims are out of line and have nothing to do with anything that is being discussed, you are just throwing accusations around that have nothing to do with what is being discussed, so before you do anything, just think a bit and then comment. Nobody that worked on this has anything to do with what you exposed and I, as one of the people that did this, have no power whatsoever in any league or anything related to TF2 in South America.
And by the way, don't go around calling yourself a voice from the south american community if you don't involve yourself in it because you think that you yourself are too high up there to participate in it, shut your mouth before you try to sound all condescending and mature about this subject. You are no part of the community, you play in North America, you don't engage in pugs, you don't talk to anyone outside your inner circle of friends, you just come around whenever something important happens and wave around your "I AM THE VOICE OF TF2" claims when you clearly have nothing to do with anyone related to this post or this community. Evaluate yourself and who you are before you try to be the devil's advocate and a voice of reason, you are nothing like that.
[quote=ninjax][quote=aratinga] Also, it should be noted Brazil is not the only country in South America with stupid assholes. Recently, a lot of players from Argentina and even Chile have started acting like they live in some sort of white supremacist european utopia, resulting in actions as deplorable as pepito's.[/quote]
As a (somewhat authorized?) voice of sa tf2 I'd like to talk about something that people are overlooking here. Everything in that post (or at least pepito's part) is 100% true, now they're only showing you one side of the coin.
I'm just playing devil's advocate here, while these things are indeed true and it's good to see them come out to light I think it's best to show both sides to make you realize no one's good at all here and everyone does the same fucked up shit besides special actions like ddosing.
[quote=wanderlust][quote=smokio][/quote][/quote]
While we're at it you should tell everyone here you got banned for [url=https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/668840599788584977/668846788484005898/Screenshot_20200120-125813_Discord.jpg]making fun of someone's dead friend in a grand final match[/url], and [url=https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/668840599788584977/668858612147421196/Screenshot_20200120_125806_com.discord.jpg]even thought what you said was justified because the other guy tried to bm you[/url]. It's okay though, not like no one here doesn't already know you're a retard that [url=http://logs.tf/2373292#76561198072041995]lives off doxxing and harassing other people whenever you get the chance to[/url].
I'm honestly sorry I have to call out other people on this but I don't think it's fair for the people these guys have harassed to have the rest of tftv see them as what they're not. South american tf2 is fucked up everywhere and sadly I don't think there's anything that can be done to turn it back.[/quote]
Before playing devil's advocate try to remember that this isn't showing one side of the coin, it's just exposing a guy, if you and others want to expose people from the argentinian community, do it. But I am not involved in any league, I didn't write the doc, I didn't involve myself in any of this, so your claims that I did the same are out of line. Nobody that worked in this post did anything to legit's tf wiki. Your claims are out of line and have nothing to do with anything that is being discussed, you are just throwing accusations around that have nothing to do with what is being discussed, so before you do anything, just think a bit and then comment. Nobody that worked on this has anything to do with what you exposed and I, as one of the people that did this, have no power whatsoever in any league or anything related to TF2 in South America.
And by the way, don't go around calling yourself a voice from the south american community if you don't involve yourself in it because you think that you yourself are too high up there to participate in it, shut your mouth before you try to sound all condescending and mature about this subject. You are no part of the community, you play in North America, you don't engage in pugs, you don't talk to anyone outside your inner circle of friends, you just come around whenever something important happens and wave around your "I AM THE VOICE OF TF2" claims when you clearly have nothing to do with anyone related to this post or this community. Evaluate yourself and who you are before you try to be the devil's advocate and a voice of reason, you are nothing like that.
As a (somewhat authorized?) voice of sa tf2 I'd like to talk about something that people are overlooking here. Everything in that post (or at least pepito's part) is 100% true, now they're only showing you one side of the coin.
I'm just playing devil's advocate here, while these things are indeed true and it's good to see them come out to light I think it's best to show both sides to make you realize no one's good at all here and everyone does the same fucked up shit besides special actions like ddosing.
[quote=wanderlust][quote=smokio][/quote][/quote]
While we're at it you should tell everyone here you got banned for [url=https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/668840599788584977/668846788484005898/Screenshot_20200120-125813_Discord.jpg]making fun of someone's dead friend in a grand final match[/url], and [url=https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/668840599788584977/668858612147421196/Screenshot_20200120_125806_com.discord.jpg]even thought what you said was justified because the other guy tried to bm you[/url]. It's okay though, not like no one here doesn't already know you're a retard that [url=http://logs.tf/2373292#76561198072041995]lives off doxxing and harassing other people whenever you get the chance to[/url].
I'm honestly sorry I have to call out other people on this but I don't think it's fair for the people these guys have harassed to have the rest of tftv see them as what they're not. South american tf2 is fucked up everywhere and sadly I don't think there's anything that can be done to turn it back.[/quote]
Before playing devil's advocate try to remember that this isn't showing one side of the coin, it's just exposing a guy, if you and others want to expose people from the argentinian community, do it. But I am not involved in any league, I didn't write the doc, I didn't involve myself in any of this, so your claims that I did the same are out of line. Nobody that worked in this post did anything to legit's tf wiki. Your claims are out of line and have nothing to do with anything that is being discussed, you are just throwing accusations around that have nothing to do with what is being discussed, so before you do anything, just think a bit and then comment. Nobody that worked on this has anything to do with what you exposed and I, as one of the people that did this, have no power whatsoever in any league or anything related to TF2 in South America.
And by the way, don't go around calling yourself a voice from the south american community if you don't involve yourself in it because you think that you yourself are too high up there to participate in it, shut your mouth before you try to sound all condescending and mature about this subject. You are no part of the community, you play in North America, you don't engage in pugs, you don't talk to anyone outside your inner circle of friends, you just come around whenever something important happens and wave around your "I AM THE VOICE OF TF2" claims when you clearly have nothing to do with anyone related to this post or this community. Evaluate yourself and who you are before you try to be the devil's advocate and a voice of reason, you are nothing like that.
And if you think that our community is so bad then why do some north american players have illegal medals from south american leagues. It takes two to tango. Fun fact ninjax played in all of pepito's teams by the way.
And if you think that our community is so bad then why do some north american players have illegal medals from south american leagues. It takes two to tango. Fun fact ninjax played in all of pepito's teams by the way.
wanderlustninjaxaratinga Also, it should be noted Brazil is not the only country in South America with stupid assholes. Recently, a lot of players from Argentina and even Chile have started acting like they live in some sort of white supremacist european utopia, resulting in actions as deplorable as pepito's.
As a (somewhat authorized?) voice of sa tf2 I'd like to talk about something that people are overlooking here. Everything in that post (or at least pepito's part) is 100% true, now they're only showing you one side of the coin.
I'm just playing devil's advocate here, while these things are indeed true and it's good to see them come out to light I think it's best to show both sides to make you realize no one's good at all here and everyone does the same fucked up shit besides special actions like ddosing.
wanderlustsmokio
While we're at it you should tell everyone here you got banned for making fun of someone's dead friend in a grand final match, and even thought what you said was justified because the other guy tried to bm you. It's okay though, not like no one here doesn't already know you're a retard that lives off doxxing and harassing other people whenever you get the chance to.
I'm honestly sorry I have to call out other people on this but I don't think it's fair for the people these guys have harassed to have the rest of tftv see them as what they're not. South american tf2 is fucked up everywhere and sadly I don't think there's anything that can be done to turn it back.
Before playing devil's advocate try to remember that this isn't showing one side of the coin, it's just exposing a guy, if you and others want to expose people from the argentinian community, do it. But I am not involved in any league, I didn't write the doc, I didn't involve myself in any of this, so your claims that I did the same are out of line. Nobody that worked in this post did anything to legit's tf wiki. Your claims are out of line and have nothing to do with anything that is being discussed, you are just throwing accusations around that have nothing to do with what is being discussed, so before you do anything, just think a bit and then comment. Nobody that worked on this has anything to do with what you exposed and I, as one of the people that did this, have no power whatsoever in any league or anything related to TF2 in South America.
And by the way, don't go around calling yourself a voice from the south american community if you don't involve yourself in it because you think that you yourself are too high up there to participate in it, shut your mouth before you try to sound all condescending and mature about this subject. You are no part of the community, you play in North America, you don't engage in pugs, you don't talk to anyone outside your inner circle of friends, you just come around whenever something important happens and wave around your "I AM THE VOICE OF TF2" claims when you clearly have nothing to do with anyone related to this post or this community. Evaluate yourself and who you are before you try to be the devil's advocate and a voice of reason, you are nothing like that.
he's one of the most recognized players of SA out there (the second, only behind powah IMO), that's why he can be "our voice". You're just a big baratão who thinks (inside your in your Pyroland alike nazipard brain) that you're an Invite level player like him.
[quote=wanderlust][quote=ninjax][quote=aratinga] Also, it should be noted Brazil is not the only country in South America with stupid assholes. Recently, a lot of players from Argentina and even Chile have started acting like they live in some sort of white supremacist european utopia, resulting in actions as deplorable as pepito's.[/quote]
As a (somewhat authorized?) voice of sa tf2 I'd like to talk about something that people are overlooking here. Everything in that post (or at least pepito's part) is 100% true, now they're only showing you one side of the coin.
I'm just playing devil's advocate here, while these things are indeed true and it's good to see them come out to light I think it's best to show both sides to make you realize no one's good at all here and everyone does the same fucked up shit besides special actions like ddosing.
[quote=wanderlust][quote=smokio][/quote][/quote]
While we're at it you should tell everyone here you got banned for [url=https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/668840599788584977/668846788484005898/Screenshot_20200120-125813_Discord.jpg]making fun of someone's dead friend in a grand final match[/url], and [url=https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/668840599788584977/668858612147421196/Screenshot_20200120_125806_com.discord.jpg]even thought what you said was justified because the other guy tried to bm you[/url]. It's okay though, not like no one here doesn't already know you're a retard that [url=http://logs.tf/2373292#76561198072041995]lives off doxxing and harassing other people whenever you get the chance to[/url].
I'm honestly sorry I have to call out other people on this but I don't think it's fair for the people these guys have harassed to have the rest of tftv see them as what they're not. South american tf2 is fucked up everywhere and sadly I don't think there's anything that can be done to turn it back.[/quote]
Before playing devil's advocate try to remember that this isn't showing one side of the coin, it's just exposing a guy, if you and others want to expose people from the argentinian community, do it. But I am not involved in any league, I didn't write the doc, I didn't involve myself in any of this, so your claims that I did the same are out of line. Nobody that worked in this post did anything to legit's tf wiki. Your claims are out of line and have nothing to do with anything that is being discussed, you are just throwing accusations around that have nothing to do with what is being discussed, so before you do anything, just think a bit and then comment. Nobody that worked on this has anything to do with what you exposed and I, as one of the people that did this, have no power whatsoever in any league or anything related to TF2 in South America.
And by the way, don't go around calling yourself a voice from the south american community if you don't involve yourself in it because you think that you yourself are too high up there to participate in it, shut your mouth before you try to sound all condescending and mature about this subject. You are no part of the community, you play in North America, you don't engage in pugs, you don't talk to anyone outside your inner circle of friends, you just come around whenever something important happens and wave around your "I AM THE VOICE OF TF2" claims when you clearly have nothing to do with anyone related to this post or this community. Evaluate yourself and who you are before you try to be the devil's advocate and a voice of reason, you are nothing like that.[/quote]
he's one of the most recognized players of SA out there (the second, only behind powah IMO), that's why he can be "our voice". You're just a big baratão who thinks (inside your in your Pyroland alike nazipard brain) that you're an Invite level player like him.
As a (somewhat authorized?) voice of sa tf2 I'd like to talk about something that people are overlooking here. Everything in that post (or at least pepito's part) is 100% true, now they're only showing you one side of the coin.
I'm just playing devil's advocate here, while these things are indeed true and it's good to see them come out to light I think it's best to show both sides to make you realize no one's good at all here and everyone does the same fucked up shit besides special actions like ddosing.
[quote=wanderlust][quote=smokio][/quote][/quote]
While we're at it you should tell everyone here you got banned for [url=https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/668840599788584977/668846788484005898/Screenshot_20200120-125813_Discord.jpg]making fun of someone's dead friend in a grand final match[/url], and [url=https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/668840599788584977/668858612147421196/Screenshot_20200120_125806_com.discord.jpg]even thought what you said was justified because the other guy tried to bm you[/url]. It's okay though, not like no one here doesn't already know you're a retard that [url=http://logs.tf/2373292#76561198072041995]lives off doxxing and harassing other people whenever you get the chance to[/url].
I'm honestly sorry I have to call out other people on this but I don't think it's fair for the people these guys have harassed to have the rest of tftv see them as what they're not. South american tf2 is fucked up everywhere and sadly I don't think there's anything that can be done to turn it back.[/quote]
Before playing devil's advocate try to remember that this isn't showing one side of the coin, it's just exposing a guy, if you and others want to expose people from the argentinian community, do it. But I am not involved in any league, I didn't write the doc, I didn't involve myself in any of this, so your claims that I did the same are out of line. Nobody that worked in this post did anything to legit's tf wiki. Your claims are out of line and have nothing to do with anything that is being discussed, you are just throwing accusations around that have nothing to do with what is being discussed, so before you do anything, just think a bit and then comment. Nobody that worked on this has anything to do with what you exposed and I, as one of the people that did this, have no power whatsoever in any league or anything related to TF2 in South America.
And by the way, don't go around calling yourself a voice from the south american community if you don't involve yourself in it because you think that you yourself are too high up there to participate in it, shut your mouth before you try to sound all condescending and mature about this subject. You are no part of the community, you play in North America, you don't engage in pugs, you don't talk to anyone outside your inner circle of friends, you just come around whenever something important happens and wave around your "I AM THE VOICE OF TF2" claims when you clearly have nothing to do with anyone related to this post or this community. Evaluate yourself and who you are before you try to be the devil's advocate and a voice of reason, you are nothing like that.[/quote]
he's one of the most recognized players of SA out there (the second, only behind powah IMO), that's why he can be "our voice". You're just a big baratão who thinks (inside your in your Pyroland alike nazipard brain) that you're an Invite level player like him.
Dohe's one of the most recognized players of SA out there (the second, only behind powah IMO), that's why he can be "our voice". You're just a big baratão who thinks (inside your in your Pyroland alike nazipard brain) that you're an Invite level player like him.
Recognized doesn't mean he can speak for us.
By that logic Hitler can speak for Germany since he's so recognized.
[quote=Do]
he's one of the most recognized players of SA out there (the second, only behind powah IMO), that's why he can be "our voice". You're just a big baratão who thinks (inside your in your Pyroland alike nazipard brain) that you're an Invite level player like him.[/quote]
Recognized doesn't mean he can speak for us.
By that logic Hitler can speak for Germany since he's so recognized.
he's one of the most recognized players of SA out there (the second, only behind powah IMO), that's why he can be "our voice". You're just a big baratão who thinks (inside your in your Pyroland alike nazipard brain) that you're an Invite level player like him.[/quote]
Recognized doesn't mean he can speak for us.
By that logic Hitler can speak for Germany since he's so recognized.
Dowanderlustninjaxaratinga Also, it should be noted Brazil is not the only country in South America with stupid assholes. Recently, a lot of players from Argentina and even Chile have started acting like they live in some sort of white supremacist european utopia, resulting in actions as deplorable as pepito's.
As a (somewhat authorized?) voice of sa tf2 I'd like to talk about something that people are overlooking here. Everything in that post (or at least pepito's part) is 100% true, now they're only showing you one side of the coin.
I'm just playing devil's advocate here, while these things are indeed true and it's good to see them come out to light I think it's best to show both sides to make you realize no one's good at all here and everyone does the same fucked up shit besides special actions like ddosing.
wanderlustsmokio
While we're at it you should tell everyone here you got banned for making fun of someone's dead friend in a grand final match, and even thought what you said was justified because the other guy tried to bm you. It's okay though, not like no one here doesn't already know you're a retard that lives off doxxing and harassing other people whenever you get the chance to.
I'm honestly sorry I have to call out other people on this but I don't think it's fair for the people these guys have harassed to have the rest of tftv see them as what they're not. South american tf2 is fucked up everywhere and sadly I don't think there's anything that can be done to turn it back.
Before playing devil's advocate try to remember that this isn't showing one side of the coin, it's just exposing a guy, if you and others want to expose people from the argentinian community, do it. But I am not involved in any league, I didn't write the doc, I didn't involve myself in any of this, so your claims that I did the same are out of line. Nobody that worked in this post did anything to legit's tf wiki. Your claims are out of line and have nothing to do with anything that is being discussed, you are just throwing accusations around that have nothing to do with what is being discussed, so before you do anything, just think a bit and then comment. Nobody that worked on this has anything to do with what you exposed and I, as one of the people that did this, have no power whatsoever in any league or anything related to TF2 in South America.
And by the way, don't go around calling yourself a voice from the south american community if you don't involve yourself in it because you think that you yourself are too high up there to participate in it, shut your mouth before you try to sound all condescending and mature about this subject. You are no part of the community, you play in North America, you don't engage in pugs, you don't talk to anyone outside your inner circle of friends, you just come around whenever something important happens and wave around your "I AM THE VOICE OF TF2" claims when you clearly have nothing to do with anyone related to this post or this community. Evaluate yourself and who you are before you try to be the devil's advocate and a voice of reason, you are nothing like that.
he's one of the most recognized players of SA out there (the second, only behind powah IMO), that's why he can be "our voice". You're just a big baratão who thinks (inside your in your Pyroland alike nazipard brain) that you're an Invite level player like him.
WHO R U?
[quote=Do][quote=wanderlust][quote=ninjax][quote=aratinga] Also, it should be noted Brazil is not the only country in South America with stupid assholes. Recently, a lot of players from Argentina and even Chile have started acting like they live in some sort of white supremacist european utopia, resulting in actions as deplorable as pepito's.[/quote]
As a (somewhat authorized?) voice of sa tf2 I'd like to talk about something that people are overlooking here. Everything in that post (or at least pepito's part) is 100% true, now they're only showing you one side of the coin.
I'm just playing devil's advocate here, while these things are indeed true and it's good to see them come out to light I think it's best to show both sides to make you realize no one's good at all here and everyone does the same fucked up shit besides special actions like ddosing.
[quote=wanderlust][quote=smokio][/quote][/quote]
While we're at it you should tell everyone here you got banned for [url=https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/668840599788584977/668846788484005898/Screenshot_20200120-125813_Discord.jpg]making fun of someone's dead friend in a grand final match[/url], and [url=https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/668840599788584977/668858612147421196/Screenshot_20200120_125806_com.discord.jpg]even thought what you said was justified because the other guy tried to bm you[/url]. It's okay though, not like no one here doesn't already know you're a retard that [url=http://logs.tf/2373292#76561198072041995]lives off doxxing and harassing other people whenever you get the chance to[/url].
I'm honestly sorry I have to call out other people on this but I don't think it's fair for the people these guys have harassed to have the rest of tftv see them as what they're not. South american tf2 is fucked up everywhere and sadly I don't think there's anything that can be done to turn it back.[/quote]
Before playing devil's advocate try to remember that this isn't showing one side of the coin, it's just exposing a guy, if you and others want to expose people from the argentinian community, do it. But I am not involved in any league, I didn't write the doc, I didn't involve myself in any of this, so your claims that I did the same are out of line. Nobody that worked in this post did anything to legit's tf wiki. Your claims are out of line and have nothing to do with anything that is being discussed, you are just throwing accusations around that have nothing to do with what is being discussed, so before you do anything, just think a bit and then comment. Nobody that worked on this has anything to do with what you exposed and I, as one of the people that did this, have no power whatsoever in any league or anything related to TF2 in South America.
And by the way, don't go around calling yourself a voice from the south american community if you don't involve yourself in it because you think that you yourself are too high up there to participate in it, shut your mouth before you try to sound all condescending and mature about this subject. You are no part of the community, you play in North America, you don't engage in pugs, you don't talk to anyone outside your inner circle of friends, you just come around whenever something important happens and wave around your "I AM THE VOICE OF TF2" claims when you clearly have nothing to do with anyone related to this post or this community. Evaluate yourself and who you are before you try to be the devil's advocate and a voice of reason, you are nothing like that.[/quote]
he's one of the most recognized players of SA out there (the second, only behind powah IMO), that's why he can be "our voice". You're just a big baratão who thinks (inside your in your Pyroland alike nazipard brain) that you're an Invite level player like him.[/quote]
WHO R U?
As a (somewhat authorized?) voice of sa tf2 I'd like to talk about something that people are overlooking here. Everything in that post (or at least pepito's part) is 100% true, now they're only showing you one side of the coin.
I'm just playing devil's advocate here, while these things are indeed true and it's good to see them come out to light I think it's best to show both sides to make you realize no one's good at all here and everyone does the same fucked up shit besides special actions like ddosing.
[quote=wanderlust][quote=smokio][/quote][/quote]
While we're at it you should tell everyone here you got banned for [url=https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/668840599788584977/668846788484005898/Screenshot_20200120-125813_Discord.jpg]making fun of someone's dead friend in a grand final match[/url], and [url=https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/668840599788584977/668858612147421196/Screenshot_20200120_125806_com.discord.jpg]even thought what you said was justified because the other guy tried to bm you[/url]. It's okay though, not like no one here doesn't already know you're a retard that [url=http://logs.tf/2373292#76561198072041995]lives off doxxing and harassing other people whenever you get the chance to[/url].
I'm honestly sorry I have to call out other people on this but I don't think it's fair for the people these guys have harassed to have the rest of tftv see them as what they're not. South american tf2 is fucked up everywhere and sadly I don't think there's anything that can be done to turn it back.[/quote]
Before playing devil's advocate try to remember that this isn't showing one side of the coin, it's just exposing a guy, if you and others want to expose people from the argentinian community, do it. But I am not involved in any league, I didn't write the doc, I didn't involve myself in any of this, so your claims that I did the same are out of line. Nobody that worked in this post did anything to legit's tf wiki. Your claims are out of line and have nothing to do with anything that is being discussed, you are just throwing accusations around that have nothing to do with what is being discussed, so before you do anything, just think a bit and then comment. Nobody that worked on this has anything to do with what you exposed and I, as one of the people that did this, have no power whatsoever in any league or anything related to TF2 in South America.
And by the way, don't go around calling yourself a voice from the south american community if you don't involve yourself in it because you think that you yourself are too high up there to participate in it, shut your mouth before you try to sound all condescending and mature about this subject. You are no part of the community, you play in North America, you don't engage in pugs, you don't talk to anyone outside your inner circle of friends, you just come around whenever something important happens and wave around your "I AM THE VOICE OF TF2" claims when you clearly have nothing to do with anyone related to this post or this community. Evaluate yourself and who you are before you try to be the devil's advocate and a voice of reason, you are nothing like that.[/quote]
he's one of the most recognized players of SA out there (the second, only behind powah IMO), that's why he can be "our voice". You're just a big baratão who thinks (inside your in your Pyroland alike nazipard brain) that you're an Invite level player like him.[/quote]
WHO R U?
Skyline42asdDohe's one of the most recognized players of SA out there (the second, only behind powah IMO), that's why he can be "our voice". You're just a big baratão who thinks (inside your in your Pyroland alike nazipard brain) that you're an Invite level player like him.
Recognized doesn't mean he can speak for us.
By that logic Hitler can speak for Germany since he's so recognized.
cl_brain_enable 0, manito?
[quote=Skyline42asd][quote=Do]
he's one of the most recognized players of SA out there (the second, only behind powah IMO), that's why he can be "our voice". You're just a big baratão who thinks (inside your in your Pyroland alike nazipard brain) that you're an Invite level player like him.[/quote]
Recognized doesn't mean he can speak for us.
By that logic Hitler can speak for Germany since he's so recognized.[/quote]
cl_brain_enable 0, manito?
he's one of the most recognized players of SA out there (the second, only behind powah IMO), that's why he can be "our voice". You're just a big baratão who thinks (inside your in your Pyroland alike nazipard brain) that you're an Invite level player like him.[/quote]
Recognized doesn't mean he can speak for us.
By that logic Hitler can speak for Germany since he's so recognized.[/quote]
cl_brain_enable 0, manito?
Skyline42asdDohe's one of the most recognized players of SA out there (the second, only behind powah IMO), that's why he can be "our voice". You're just a big baratão who thinks (inside your in your Pyroland alike nazipard brain) that you're an Invite level player like him.
Recognized doesn't mean he can speak for us.
By that logic Hitler can speak for Germany since he's so recognized.
Yeah but ninjax isnt hitler and he didnt get banned for making fun of a death person
[quote=Skyline42asd][quote=Do]
he's one of the most recognized players of SA out there (the second, only behind powah IMO), that's why he can be "our voice". You're just a big baratão who thinks (inside your in your Pyroland alike nazipard brain) that you're an Invite level player like him.[/quote]
Recognized doesn't mean he can speak for us.
By that logic Hitler can speak for Germany since he's so recognized.[/quote]
Yeah but ninjax isnt hitler and he didnt get banned for making fun of a death person
he's one of the most recognized players of SA out there (the second, only behind powah IMO), that's why he can be "our voice". You're just a big baratão who thinks (inside your in your Pyroland alike nazipard brain) that you're an Invite level player like him.[/quote]
Recognized doesn't mean he can speak for us.
By that logic Hitler can speak for Germany since he's so recognized.[/quote]
Yeah but ninjax isnt hitler and he didnt get banned for making fun of a death person
obamersYeah but ninjax isnt hitler and he didnt get banned for making fun of a death person
Amazing, you've missed my point by a wide margin. I never called him Hitler, I just used that "Do" guy's logic against him. Also banned for making fun of a death person is a whole other issue that doesn't make any points claimed here invalid, so stick that argument up your ass because it holds no grounds.
[quote=obamers]
Yeah but ninjax isnt hitler and he didnt get banned for making fun of a death person[/quote]
Amazing, you've missed my point by a wide margin. I never called him Hitler, I just used that "Do" guy's logic against him. Also banned for making fun of a death person is a whole other issue that doesn't make any points claimed here invalid, so stick that argument up your ass because it holds no grounds.
Yeah but ninjax isnt hitler and he didnt get banned for making fun of a death person[/quote]
Amazing, you've missed my point by a wide margin. I never called him Hitler, I just used that "Do" guy's logic against him. Also banned for making fun of a death person is a whole other issue that doesn't make any points claimed here invalid, so stick that argument up your ass because it holds no grounds.
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