Offline maps like walkway, rocket shooting, juggle (and the new denial), I find are more helpful for experienced players to warm up, and for very new players to get comfortable with a mouse & their sensitivity.

For more experienced players mge & dm would offer more chance to improve your 'actual' aim, but even then there are a lot of pitfalls that I have myself previously fallen into.

Mge players often develop intricate strategies with no functional use outside of mge, and use those to get a higher elo instead of actually improving aim & movement. Dm players can often get very mindful of their KDR instead, and will pick and choose fights to an obnoxious degree; like running away if you take any damage to go get a healthkit or wait for regen etc.

If you avoid these pitfalls, I think both are good, but I prefer DM as you get to practice more fast-paced situations against different combinations of classes.

Only me putting level 5 non-milk substance in da coffee?

what about cameron
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FSICOM0sru4

finally

I honestly believe that map design could be a lot more open in general if it wasn't for the sniper class. It's not just long sightlines that 95% of the time won't matter for cookie cutter fights, but it's also the width of doors etc. (Which has already been mentioned).

I would also like to point out this is why there's barely ever been any playable koth maps. They're either too cluttered and wierd, or they have gamebreaking sniper sightlines.

A/D Would just have all the same issues 6s have in terms of stalemating & sniper sightlines (Assuming the map design would be similar), except the defenders have no incentive to ever switch off their offclasses to push forward.

If maps were more open, there would be less reason to have a 10 minute shotclock, and it could be significantly lower (because pushing would be easier).

Sniper needs a nerf if we want fewer stalemates and more open chokes & flanks. I would suggest damage falloff + less charging.

thank you for pointing this out. before f3 was released i wasn't aware this was a thing & someone suggested clipping it off. but needless to say the next version will be the same as final1 in this regard.

Unrelated to the aforementioned question, but does anyone know why team spawns are enabled on process and sunshine? i think it's the same on the spenny servers too.

(LET'S GO)

my best guess is they don't really care about balance and just don't want a game of powerhouse to run for 3 hours straight. (presumably for server reasons idk)

i mostly agree with balancing around top level play, but occationally there are behaviours in low-level play that make the game unfair and unfun for people at that level. that shouldn't instantly be dismissed just because higher level players can deal with it.

with that said i still think 5cp is a better gamemode, and i believe there are more suitable maps that are good across all levels.

then we disagree

should we adjust the map pool and balance maps for the benefit of the top 3 prem teams only? also dumb sniper angles doesn't mean they're overpowered vs perfect play lol

product has a bunch of problems, along with being too easy and effective to forward hold and like all other koth maps it has very troublesome sniper angles. the map layout i don't think is good either and honestly clearcut is probably better in that regard. i don't know why we're so eager to keep a map simply because "we need variation" or "it's fast paced" as if that's inherently good. also, if you look outside of prem, games on product often devolve into offclassing nightmares, mindless dmfights and other clown fiestas.

if we want to promote variation we should instead keep maps like granary and badlands, and if we want more fast paced action we should explore alternate gamemodes in which the shot clock is not 10 minutes long.

I don't think the width factor is irrelevant either, over the course of a map the effect it has on each pipe culminates to a noticable difference overall.

would imo be very epic to see KOTH gone permanently. swap out product instead and please don't consider clearcut.