wareyaif a single use of the same ip is enough to mark you as an alt I want new admins
I never said IP match means the accounts are alts - only that they have a connection. In 95% of cases, it does usually end up being alts. But for places like Canada, where IPs are recycled fairly often, and Singapore, where you can see literally dozens of people with the same IP, it doesn't provide much. So yes, kKaltuu made a mistake assuming Atrocity and Yuri, but the protocol has always been to ban based on IP matches.
So how would you propose we track people who use alts to circumvent bans, if not through IP checking? I don't see any solution other than relying on what people say, and that's a pretty terrifying and stupid idea.
[quote=wareya]if a single use of the same ip is enough to mark you as an alt I want new admins[/quote]
I never said IP match means the accounts are alts - only that they have a connection. In 95% of cases, it does usually end up being alts. But for places like Canada, where IPs are recycled fairly often, and Singapore, where you can see literally dozens of people with the same IP, it doesn't provide much. So yes, kKaltuu made a mistake assuming Atrocity and Yuri, but the protocol has always been to ban based on IP matches.
So how would you propose we track people who use alts to circumvent bans, if not through IP checking? I don't see any solution other than relying on what people say, and that's a pretty terrifying and stupid idea.
TERRYCREWSwareyaif a single use of the same ip is enough to mark you as an alt I want new admins
I never said IP match means the accounts are alts - only that they have a connection. In 95% of cases, it does usually end up being alts. But for places like Canada, where IPs are recycled fairly often, and Singapore, where you can see literally dozens of people with the same IP, it doesn't provide much. So yes, kKaltuu made a mistake assuming Atrocity and Yuri, but the protocol has always been to ban based on IP matches.
So how would you propose we track people who use alts to circumvent bans, if not through IP checking? I don't see any solution other than relying on what people say, and that's a pretty terrifying and stupid idea.
why not instead of just making an assumption based on 1 piece of data you just do more research than none at all
[quote=TERRYCREWS][quote=wareya]if a single use of the same ip is enough to mark you as an alt I want new admins[/quote]
I never said IP match means the accounts are alts - only that they have a connection. In 95% of cases, it does usually end up being alts. But for places like Canada, where IPs are recycled fairly often, and Singapore, where you can see literally dozens of people with the same IP, it doesn't provide much. So yes, kKaltuu made a mistake assuming Atrocity and Yuri, but the protocol has always been to ban based on IP matches.
So how would you propose we track people who use alts to circumvent bans, if not through IP checking? I don't see any solution other than relying on what people say, and that's a pretty terrifying and stupid idea.[/quote]
why not instead of just making an assumption based on 1 piece of data you just do more research than none at all
wait so did u even watch the stvs before you banned yuri or
wait so did u even watch the stvs before you banned yuri or
i always knew u witch hunters were retarded
ugc is gay
i always knew u witch hunters were retarded
ugc is gay
tatuwahwait so did u even watch the stvs before you banned yuri or
kkaltuu watched the stvs and thought that he was hacking but that it was smooth and almost undetectable iirc
the stats dont lie tho u cant just get 96% accuracy and call it a "good day" or smth
[quote=tatuwah]wait so did u even watch the stvs before you banned yuri or[/quote]
kkaltuu watched the stvs and thought that he was hacking but that it was smooth and almost undetectable iirc
the stats dont lie tho u cant just get 96% accuracy and call it a "good day" or smth
if i goto a lan do i become an alt of everyone there
if i goto a lan do i become an alt of everyone there
Idiots acting like the majority of people using alts are smart enough to change IPs
I understand why it isn't technically proof, but it is a good auto-deny.
if a single use of the same ip is enough to mark you as an alt I want new admins
Go ahead, volunteer for the position. I beseech thine perfect logic in identifying how idiots in this game hack.
Here's a great article on how your decision making process is actually going to work. Like all heuristics-based systems, it will have errors, those are also your job to fix.
However, in time you'll learn to call a fish a fish until you can prove it's a dolphin.
[color=red]Idiots acting like the majority of people using alts are smart enough to change IPs[/color]
I understand why it isn't technically proof, but it is a good auto-deny.
[color=red]if a single use of the same ip is enough to mark you as an alt I want new admins[/color]
Go ahead, volunteer for the position. I beseech thine perfect logic in identifying how idiots in this game hack.
[url=https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Heuristics_in_judgment_and_decision-making ]Here'[/url]s a great article on how your decision making process is actually going to work. Like all heuristics-based systems, it will have errors, those are also your job to fix.
However, in time you'll learn to call a fish a fish until you can prove it's a dolphin.
tatuwahyuri and atrocity are different people and yuri doesnt hack l o l
http://i.gyazo.com/e496f70ed2cc01982a72a57e3f34fc79.png
https://play.esea.net/index.php?s=stats&d=match&id=4167416
that's why we lost fucking yuri hackign faggot fuckup kill yourself
in other news now that that is out of the way s18 aliasing lefty reunion term + eric where u @
[quote=tatuwah]yuri and atrocity are different people and yuri doesnt hack l o l
[img]http://i.gyazo.com/e496f70ed2cc01982a72a57e3f34fc79.png[/img][/quote]
https://play.esea.net/index.php?s=stats&d=match&id=4167416
that's why we lost fucking yuri hackign faggot fuckup kill yourself
in other news now that that is out of the way s18 aliasing lefty reunion term + eric where u @
saamif i goto a lan do i become an alt of everyone there
You'd have to all use TF2C to get an IP match with everyone
I specifically said that all the IP match proves is that you had the same IP at some point, not that you're automatically an alt. We've literally caught dozens, if not hundreds of ban evaders by doing IP checks, and I can only think of two cases where two IP matched players were not actually the same person. It's simply too useful, and there is no other substitute for the information it provides.
I haven't looked into it, but if Atrocity is unable to login on TF2C, it just means that the IP ban is working.
[quote=saam]if i goto a lan do i become an alt of everyone there[/quote]
You'd have to all use TF2C to get an IP match with everyone
I specifically said that all the IP match proves is that you had the same IP at some point, not that you're automatically an alt. We've literally caught dozens, if not hundreds of ban evaders by doing IP checks, and I can only think of two cases where two IP matched players were not actually the same person. It's simply too useful, and there is no other substitute for the information it provides.
I haven't looked into it, but if Atrocity is unable to login on TF2C, it just means that the IP ban is working.
>I never said IP match means the accounts are alts - only that they have a connection.
>the protocol has always been to ban based on IP matches.
My sides
>So how would you propose we track people who use alts to circumvent bans, if not through IP checking?
For one you can not make the first assumption that IP match for a hacker ====== hacker's alt and instead just look into the actual situation when you have to? You clearly have the time to watch demos, so saving time by making the assumption that X hacker has Y as an alt simply because they shared a rare IP once is fucking ridiculous.
>I never said IP match means the accounts are alts - only that they have a connection.
>the protocol has always been to ban based on IP matches.
My sides
>So how would you propose we track people who use alts to circumvent bans, if not through IP checking?
For one you can not make the first assumption that IP match for a hacker ====== hacker's alt and instead just look into the actual situation when you have to? You clearly have the time to watch demos, so saving time by making the assumption that X hacker has Y as an alt simply because they shared a rare IP once is fucking ridiculous.
wareya>I never said IP match means the accounts are alts - only that they have a connection.
>the protocol has always been to ban based on IP matches.
My sides
>So how would you propose we track people who use alts to circumvent bans, if not through IP checking?
For one you can not make the first assumption that IP match for a hacker ====== hacker's alt and instead just look into the actual situation when you have to? You clearly have the time to watch demos, so saving time by making the assumption that X hacker has Y as an alt simply because they shared a rare IP once is fucking ridiculous.
Demos do nothing as well, different situations adding far too many variables.
I understand your point, but it IS effective for post-ban alts and you're a moron for assuming otherwise.
also, stop green-texting you mouth-breathing mongoloid
[quote=wareya]>I never said IP match means the accounts are alts - only that they have a connection.
>the protocol has always been to ban based on IP matches.
My sides
>So how would you propose we track people who use alts to circumvent bans, if not through IP checking?
For one you can not make the first assumption that IP match for a hacker ====== hacker's alt and instead just look into the actual situation when you have to? You clearly have the time to watch demos, so saving time by making the assumption that X hacker has Y as an alt simply because they shared a rare IP once is fucking ridiculous.[/quote]
Demos do nothing as well, different situations adding far too many variables.
I understand your point, but it IS effective for post-ban alts and you're a moron for assuming otherwise.
also, stop green-texting you mouth-breathing mongoloid
wareya>I never said IP match means the accounts are alts - only that they have a connection.
>the protocol has always been to ban based on IP matches.
My sides
>So how would you propose we track people who use alts to circumvent bans, if not through IP checking?
For one you can not make the first assumption that IP match for a hacker ====== hacker's alt and instead just look into the actual situation when you have to? You clearly have the time to watch demos, so saving time by making the assumption that X hacker has Y as an alt simply because they shared a rare IP once is fucking ridiculous.
TF2Center is a huge site with thousands of users, and no good way to contact any individual user about a potential dispute. It seems like they're counting on the user seeing that they got a tf2center ban, then contacting the admin staff to clear up the issue. A ban is an extremely good way to get a user's attention, as it forces them to cooperate instead of just blowing you off. We get this all the time with POV requests that UGC makes. After they fail to submit POV demos in the timeframe allowed, we temp ban them and 2 hours later get all their POVs and an apology wrapped up in a bow, and they're unbanned promptly.
The policy is to put the burden of proof on the accused as a time saver. It is not an injustice, and it's not stupid. This is not a court of law, it's a video game website where bans can be undone in an hour after making a forum appeal.
[quote=wareya]>I never said IP match means the accounts are alts - only that they have a connection.
>the protocol has always been to ban based on IP matches.
My sides
>So how would you propose we track people who use alts to circumvent bans, if not through IP checking?
For one you can not make the first assumption that IP match for a hacker ====== hacker's alt and instead just look into the actual situation when you have to? You clearly have the time to watch demos, so saving time by making the assumption that X hacker has Y as an alt simply because they shared a rare IP once is fucking ridiculous.[/quote]
TF2Center is a huge site with thousands of users, and no good way to contact any individual user about a potential dispute. It seems like they're counting on the user seeing that they got a tf2center ban, then contacting the admin staff to clear up the issue. A ban is an extremely good way to get a user's attention, as it forces them to cooperate instead of just blowing you off. We get this all the time with POV requests that UGC makes. After they fail to submit POV demos in the timeframe allowed, we temp ban them and 2 hours later get all their POVs and an apology wrapped up in a bow, and they're unbanned promptly.
The policy is to put the burden of proof on the accused as a time saver. It is not an injustice, and it's not stupid. This is not a court of law, it's a video game website where bans can be undone in an hour after making a forum appeal.
@wareya
I really don't understand why you think that's a good idea. Here's my reasoning.
If an account IP matched with a cheater, chances are (through the data that's accumulated over time) that the account is an alt. Maybe 1/100 isn't, from what I've seen. Like I said, there have been only two cases that I recall in the past 6+ months where the matched account is actually someone different.
Let's assume that of this sample of 100 banned cheaters, 99/100 have legitimate alts (not IP matches with another person). Without an IP ban, we'd be forced to go look through 99 accounts and manually ban all of them. With the IP ban, the 1/100 that is unfairly banned (due to blanket IP ban) can just send in 1 unban request. 99 accounts to manually check, compared to 1 unban request, which isn't particularly hard to write up. Do you see the issue now? It's much easier to process, and more beneficial to the rest of the community that has no association with cheaters, since the ban is instant.
Do you remember Mittens, the Gold pyro caught for cheating a few weeks back? Last night I banned an alt of hers on TF2C that bypassed the IP ban using a VPN. How did I find it? At some point she had logged into TF2C without using the VPN, which was tracked. In the worst case scenario, she only did this once, and by accident. If we didn't do IP tracking, then she would have gotten off for free, and continued playing - and possibly cheating - on the alt for much longer. Instead, I caught and banned her within 5 lobbies. It only worked out quickly because I happened to be in the same lobby as her, and usually check related accounts of players with under 500 hours. If I hadn't played that night, who knows how long she could have continued playing lobbies. IP bans are absolutely necessary considering the size of TF2C.
The decision to place IP bans is based on the benefits to the majority rather than the minority. You want us to check the vast, vast majority of cases where they're guilty as charged instead of the 1 case where they aren't? With a userbase of 100k+ players, 440k+ lobbies played, using the TF2C staff of less than 20? There's maybe 3-4 people even in the Admins who I'd trust for accurate AC review, which would be required to go with your option. It'd take orders of magnitude longer to make sure every cheater is banned for good.
This is the issue with the current UGC AC stuff. Few resources, and we don't blanket IP ban cheaters, so everything is done manually. This ensures that much fewers mistakes are made, but the result is that things progress at a snail's pace. UGC has almost 10x less active players than TF2C, and with an AC team of roughly the same size. Are people happy with the pace of UGC AC? Obviously not, myself included. Thankfully, most cheaters can only make an impact once or twice a week, and so the pace is very slightly more acceptable.
The moral of the story is that, if you want to check and make sure every account with an IP match is unrelated, then you will have to process much more information. It takes away from other crucial services, and also negatively affects the playing experience of legitimate players. For a site that is based on efficient and quick competitive play, this is simply unacceptable.
I've been on both sides of this particular problem. At one end, there's UGC meticulously checking every account with an IP match. At the other, TF2C with the blanket IP bans. Are the results of either perfect? Definitely not. Is there a better option given the current situations? I 100% believe that there isn't. It's a case of a necessary, but definitely lesser, evil.
Wareya, I'd like to hear what you think regarding what I've said. AC in any league matters a lot to me, and I'm fortunately in a position where I can do something to make them better. We might differ in opinion now, but I have no doubt that we both want to see cheaters banned and prevented from interacting with honest players.
@wareya
I really don't understand why you think that's a good idea. Here's my reasoning.
If an account IP matched with a cheater, chances are (through the data that's accumulated over time) that the account is an alt. Maybe 1/100 isn't, from what I've seen. Like I said, there have been only two cases that I recall in the past 6+ months where the matched account is actually someone different.
Let's assume that of this sample of 100 banned cheaters, 99/100 have legitimate alts (not IP matches with another person). Without an IP ban, we'd be forced to go look through 99 accounts and manually ban all of them. With the IP ban, the 1/100 that is unfairly banned (due to blanket IP ban) can just send in 1 unban request. 99 accounts to manually check, compared to 1 unban request, which isn't particularly hard to write up. Do you see the issue now? It's much easier to process, and more beneficial to the rest of the community that has no association with cheaters, since the ban is instant.
Do you remember Mittens, the Gold pyro caught for cheating a few weeks back? Last night I banned an [url=http://i.imgur.com/p97gVVS.png]alt of hers[/url] on TF2C that bypassed the IP ban using a VPN. How did I find it? At some point she had logged into TF2C without using the VPN, which was tracked. In the worst case scenario, she only did this once, and by accident. If we didn't do IP tracking, then she would have gotten off for free, and continued playing - and possibly cheating - on the alt for much longer. Instead, I caught and banned her within 5 lobbies. It only worked out quickly because I happened to be in the same lobby as her, and usually check related accounts of players with under 500 hours. If I hadn't played that night, who knows how long she could have continued playing lobbies. IP bans are absolutely necessary considering the size of TF2C.
The decision to place IP bans is based on the benefits to the majority rather than the minority. You want us to check the vast, vast majority of cases where they're guilty as charged instead of the 1 case where they aren't? With a userbase of 100k+ players, 440k+ lobbies played, using the TF2C staff of less than 20? There's maybe 3-4 people even in the Admins who I'd trust for accurate AC review, which would be required to go with your option. It'd take orders of magnitude longer to make sure every cheater is banned for good.
This is the issue with the current UGC AC stuff. Few resources, and we don't blanket IP ban cheaters, so everything is done manually. This ensures that much fewers mistakes are made, but the result is that things progress at a snail's pace. UGC has almost 10x less active players than TF2C, and with an AC team of roughly the same size. Are people happy with the pace of UGC AC? Obviously not, myself included. Thankfully, most cheaters can only make an impact once or twice a week, and so the pace is very slightly more acceptable.
The moral of the story is that, if you want to check and make sure every account with an IP match is unrelated, then you will have to process much more information. It takes away from other crucial services, and also negatively affects the playing experience of legitimate players. For a site that is based on efficient and quick competitive play, this is simply unacceptable.
I've been on both sides of this particular problem. At one end, there's UGC meticulously checking every account with an IP match. At the other, TF2C with the blanket IP bans. Are the results of either perfect? Definitely not. Is there a better option given the current situations? I 100% believe that there isn't. It's a case of a necessary, but definitely lesser, evil.
Wareya, I'd like to hear what you think regarding what I've said. AC in any league matters a lot to me, and I'm fortunately in a position where I can do something to make them better. We might differ in opinion now, but I have no doubt that we both want to see cheaters banned and prevented from interacting with honest players.
anyone ever heard of this guy before ?
http://steamcommunity.com/id/lolimm4rio/
http://logs.tf/876224
I got one reported to me.
Remember our friend acletf, the one that twitch streamed while using lmaobox? Well he's back on a new account!
He's back and he's hacking up lobbies and even on a UGC iron team!
STEAM_0:0:13314981
http://steamcommunity.com/profiles/76561198226565364
The funny thing is he changed his custom URL which is why we knew it was him. He used acletf2 as his custom URL at first. You can verify that by going to https://steamid.io/lookup and pasting in his current steam URL.
Here he is on an iron team: http://www.ugcleague.com/players_page.cfm?player_id=76561198226565364
Here is doing some work with that ambassador: http://logs.tf/865772?highlight=76561198226565364 (he's not actually on this HL team though. He was just ringing I guess.). Notice the 81 headshots!
I got one reported to me.
Remember our friend acletf, the one that twitch streamed while using lmaobox? Well he's back on a new account!
He's back and he's hacking up lobbies and even on a UGC iron team!
STEAM_0:0:13314981
http://steamcommunity.com/profiles/76561198226565364
The funny thing is he changed his custom URL which is why we knew it was him. He used acletf2 as his custom URL at first. You can verify that by going to https://steamid.io/lookup and pasting in his current steam URL.
Here he is on an iron team: http://www.ugcleague.com/players_page.cfm?player_id=76561198226565364
Here is doing some work with that ambassador: http://logs.tf/865772?highlight=76561198226565364 (he's not actually on this HL team though. He was just ringing I guess.). Notice the 81 headshots!
[quote=dollarlayer]http://logs.tf/865772?highlight=76561198226565364[/quote]
the fucking chat killed me
SPY: {DK_IRL} SnusJuice get rekd
SPY: {DK_IRL} SnusJuice get rekd
lol I've seen yuri in lobbies since tf2lobby days, she use to play a lot of lobbies and she has around 3k on centers I think. I doubt she hacks since she isn't even that good anyways (only stomping lobby players at best, oh! shots fired).
Although, after seeing that log that she had 96% accuracy with her scattergun in a lobby, it makes me wonder--that is phishy lol.
Anyways, seeing that she had played so many lobbies, prob like 5k combined with centers and tf2lobby, I wouldn't be surprised if she got bored and tried hacking for lols but idk I could be wrong and she's legit, did you guys watch the stvs and confirm?
lol I've seen yuri in lobbies since tf2lobby days, she use to play a lot of lobbies and she has around 3k on centers I think. I doubt she hacks since she isn't even that good anyways (only stomping lobby players at best, oh! shots fired).
Although, after seeing that log that she had 96% accuracy with her scattergun in a lobby, it makes me wonder--that is phishy lol.
Anyways, seeing that she had played so many lobbies, prob like 5k combined with centers and tf2lobby, I wouldn't be surprised if she got bored and tried hacking for lols but idk I could be wrong and she's legit, did you guys watch the stvs and confirm?
what r u talking about yuri is a legend
what r u talking about yuri is a legend
dollarlayerI got one reported to me.
Remember our friend acletf, the one that twitch streamed while using lmaobox? Well he's back on a new account!
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He already aliased as "clockw0rkk" "ster" and "stabby", what kind of scum is he
[quote=dollarlayer]I got one reported to me.
Remember our friend acletf, the one that twitch streamed while using lmaobox? Well he's back on a new account!
\[/quote]
He already aliased as "clockw0rkk" "ster" and "stabby", what kind of scum is he
I watched some demos from Yuri and there doesn't really seem to be anything strange. She doesn't hit any insane shots, doesn't ever look at people through walls. and never really appears to lock onto anybody. She just only shoots when somebody is in her crosshairs. Might be triggerbotting, might be legit, just thought I would put out what I'm seeing.
Only thing I saw that looked like hacking was flicking her mouse to a demo once, but she flicked back to the same spot later so it could totally just be luck that he was there. Around tick 12000 in this demo if anybody wants to look.
I watched some demos from Yuri and there doesn't really seem to be anything strange. She doesn't hit any insane shots, doesn't ever look at people through walls. and never really appears to lock onto anybody. She just only shoots when somebody is in her crosshairs. Might be triggerbotting, might be legit, just thought I would put out what I'm seeing.
Only thing I saw that looked like hacking was flicking her mouse to a demo once, but she flicked back to the same spot later so it could totally just be luck that he was there. Around tick 12000 in [url=http://logs.tf/847368?highlight=76561198044159901]this demo[/url] if anybody wants to look.
I talked to the leader of his 6s team, who was also a former teammate of mine.
3:24 PM - Lucksmod: Hi?
3:29 PM - Lucksmod is now playing Garry's Mod. Click here to join.
3:59 PM - Venom: Hey, I added you to let you know that this player: http://steamcommunity.com/id/sellingsnustojack , is an alt of a known hacker
3:59 PM - Lucksmod: Oh really?
3:59 PM - Lucksmod: is he facing me tonight
3:59 PM - Venom: Hes on your team
3:59 PM - Lucksmod: What..
3:59 PM - Lucksmod: aw fuck
3:59 PM - Lucksmod: thanks for the info
4:00 PM - Venom: No problem
4:00 PM - Venom: Want the thread that he was in?
4:00 PM - Lucksmod: Yes please.
4:00 PM - Venom: http://www.teamfortress.tv/thread/23773/cheater-hacker-thread/?page=13
4:01 PM - Venom: post number 379
4:01 PM - Venom: http://i.imgur.com/Kg29XST.jpg
4:01 PM - Venom: And here is a picture of him openly hacking on stream
4:01 PM - Lucksmod: Thank you very much
4:01 PM - Lucksmod: means alot
4:02 PM - Venom: No problem man, just dont want you to get in trouble for something you didnt know about
4:02 PM - Lucksmod: I didnt know either haha
4:07 PM - Lucksmod: He said he was impersonating the hacker one day then he got banned on tf2center
4:08 PM - Venom: Thats false, he was matched to the other account via IP
4:09 PM - Venom: Plus even if he did impersonate the hacker, he was hacking himself according to these logs http://logs.tf/865772?highlight=76561198226565364
4:09 PM - Venom: 81 amby headshots
4:12 PM - Lucksmod: clockw0rkk: Its a TF2C?
Lucksmod: ye
clockw0rkk: Yeah?
clockw0rkk: Its really not hard to farm HS's
4:13 PM - Lucksmod: he came out
4:13 PM - Lucksmod: told me he cheated
4:13 PM - Lucksmod: I blocked and removed him off everything
4:14 PM - Venom: Good man, you should kick him off any rosters you have too
4:14 PM - Lucksmod: I did
*EDIT* Talked to his HL team leader too!
4:55 PM - Venom: Hey, I added you to let you know that this player on your team: http://steamcommunity.com/id/sellingsnustojack , is an alt of a known hacker
5:04 PM - {DK_IRL} Kairos.irl: yes i know.
5:04 PM - {DK_IRL} Kairos.irl: he apparently is one of the makers of lmaobox or so ive heard
5:04 PM - {DK_IRL} Kairos.irl: he's not playing for us though
5:05 PM - {DK_IRL} Kairos.irl: just a friend
5:17 PM - Venom: Alright, just making sure. Although he isnt a lmaobox maker, just some hacking shitlord :)
5:17 PM - {DK_IRL} Kairos.irl: lol ok
5:17 PM - {DK_IRL} Kairos.irl: i thought so
5:18 PM - Venom: Thanks for clearing it up, you might want to remove him from your rosters if hes on any
5:18 PM - {DK_IRL} Kairos.irl: yeah hes not on the team at all
5:18 PM - {DK_IRL} Kairos.irl: thx for warning
5:18 PM - Venom: No prob
I talked to the leader of his 6s team, who was also a former teammate of mine.
3:24 PM - Lucksmod: Hi?
3:29 PM - Lucksmod is now playing Garry's Mod. Click here to join.
3:59 PM - Venom: Hey, I added you to let you know that this player: http://steamcommunity.com/id/sellingsnustojack , is an alt of a known hacker
3:59 PM - Lucksmod: Oh really?
3:59 PM - Lucksmod: is he facing me tonight
3:59 PM - Venom: Hes on your team
3:59 PM - Lucksmod: What..
3:59 PM - Lucksmod: aw fuck
3:59 PM - Lucksmod: thanks for the info
4:00 PM - Venom: No problem
4:00 PM - Venom: Want the thread that he was in?
4:00 PM - Lucksmod: Yes please.
4:00 PM - Venom: http://www.teamfortress.tv/thread/23773/cheater-hacker-thread/?page=13
4:01 PM - Venom: post number 379
4:01 PM - Venom: http://i.imgur.com/Kg29XST.jpg
4:01 PM - Venom: And here is a picture of him openly hacking on stream
4:01 PM - Lucksmod: Thank you very much
4:01 PM - Lucksmod: means alot
4:02 PM - Venom: No problem man, just dont want you to get in trouble for something you didnt know about
4:02 PM - Lucksmod: I didnt know either haha
4:07 PM - Lucksmod: He said he was impersonating the hacker one day then he got banned on tf2center
4:08 PM - Venom: Thats false, he was matched to the other account via IP
4:09 PM - Venom: Plus even if he did impersonate the hacker, he was hacking himself according to these logs http://logs.tf/865772?highlight=76561198226565364
4:09 PM - Venom: 81 amby headshots
4:12 PM - Lucksmod: clockw0rkk: Its a TF2C?
Lucksmod: ye
clockw0rkk: Yeah?
clockw0rkk: Its really not hard to farm HS's
4:13 PM - Lucksmod: he came out
4:13 PM - Lucksmod: told me he cheated
4:13 PM - Lucksmod: I blocked and removed him off everything
4:14 PM - Venom: Good man, you should kick him off any rosters you have too
4:14 PM - Lucksmod: I did
*EDIT* Talked to his HL team leader too!
4:55 PM - Venom: Hey, I added you to let you know that this player on your team: http://steamcommunity.com/id/sellingsnustojack , is an alt of a known hacker
5:04 PM - {DK_IRL} Kairos.irl: yes i know.
5:04 PM - {DK_IRL} Kairos.irl: he apparently is one of the makers of lmaobox or so ive heard
5:04 PM - {DK_IRL} Kairos.irl: he's not playing for us though
5:05 PM - {DK_IRL} Kairos.irl: just a friend
5:17 PM - Venom: Alright, just making sure. Although he isnt a lmaobox maker, just some hacking shitlord :)
5:17 PM - {DK_IRL} Kairos.irl: lol ok
5:17 PM - {DK_IRL} Kairos.irl: i thought so
5:18 PM - Venom: Thanks for clearing it up, you might want to remove him from your rosters if hes on any
5:18 PM - {DK_IRL} Kairos.irl: yeah hes not on the team at all
5:18 PM - {DK_IRL} Kairos.irl: thx for warning
5:18 PM - Venom: No prob
89zombiez5:04 PM - {DK_IRL} Kairos.irl: he apparently is one of the makers of lmaobox or so ive heard
Lol
[quote=89zombiez]
5:04 PM - {DK_IRL} Kairos.irl: he apparently is one of the makers of lmaobox or so ive heard
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Lol
DoctorMiggy89zombiez5:04 PM - {DK_IRL} Kairos.irl: he apparently is one of the makers of lmaobox or so ive heard
Lol
Yeah that made me crack up a little too, but Im glad both of these guys were so cooperative :)
[quote=DoctorMiggy][quote=89zombiez]
5:04 PM - {DK_IRL} Kairos.irl: he apparently is one of the makers of lmaobox or so ive heard
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Lol[/quote]
Yeah that made me crack up a little too, but Im glad both of these guys were so cooperative :)
deetrI watched some demos from Yuri and there doesn't really seem to be anything strange. She doesn't hit any insane shots, doesn't ever look at people through walls. and never really appears to lock onto anybody. She just only shoots when somebody is in her crosshairs. Might be triggerbotting, might be legit, just thought I would put out what I'm seeing.
Only thing I saw that looked like hacking was flicking her mouse to a demo once, but she flicked back to the same spot later so it could totally just be luck that he was there. Around tick 12000 in this demo if anybody wants to look.
I watched the full demo of yuri with the 96% accuracy. There is no way in hell she was able to hit 96% accuracy in that game legitimately. The only way someone might be able to get about 85-90% accuracy is if they are only shooting soldiers and demos and going for lots of easy chip shots. Their DPM would also be shit (sub 200 most likely), not the ~500 that yuri got in that game.
Also worth noting is that game was not against some random iron players. There were at least 2 plat players on the other team, and one with IM experience as well as others that have played 1000's of lobbies and are decent players.
See the thing is, with silent aim at least on scout when its set to a reasonable like <5 degree aimbot FOV , you generally are not going to look at the demo and be like.... gotcha..... obvious hacks and I saw you locking on to targets all over the place. Because its silent aim. It literally drops all of the client side packets where the crosshair is being assisted, so the aim assist is taking place all behind the scenes. And it does this on both the clients computer and the server side, which just makes their aim look normal and smooth. If they regularly average say 65-70% accuracy, with 3-5 degrees of aim assist frequent logs in the 80-90%+ range is exactly what you'd expect.
Lets be real. You can't chalk up 96% accuracy as having a good day.
[quote=deetr]I watched some demos from Yuri and there doesn't really seem to be anything strange. She doesn't hit any insane shots, doesn't ever look at people through walls. and never really appears to lock onto anybody. She just only shoots when somebody is in her crosshairs. Might be triggerbotting, might be legit, just thought I would put out what I'm seeing.
Only thing I saw that looked like hacking was flicking her mouse to a demo once, but she flicked back to the same spot later so it could totally just be luck that he was there. Around tick 12000 in [url=http://logs.tf/847368?highlight=76561198044159901]this demo[/url] if anybody wants to look.[/quote]
I watched the full demo of yuri with the 96% accuracy. There is no way in hell she was able to hit 96% accuracy in that game legitimately. The only way someone might be able to get about 85-90% accuracy is if they are only shooting soldiers and demos and going for lots of easy chip shots. Their DPM would also be shit (sub 200 most likely), not the ~500 that yuri got in that game.
Also worth noting is that game was not against some random iron players. There were at least 2 plat players on the other team, and one with IM experience as well as others that have played 1000's of lobbies and are decent players.
See the thing is, with silent aim at least on scout when its set to a reasonable like <5 degree aimbot FOV , you generally are not going to look at the demo and be like.... gotcha..... obvious hacks and I saw you locking on to targets all over the place. Because its silent aim. It literally drops all of the client side packets where the crosshair is being assisted, so the aim assist is taking place all behind the scenes. And it does this on both the clients computer and the server side, which just makes their aim look normal and smooth. If they regularly average say 65-70% accuracy, with 3-5 degrees of aim assist frequent logs in the 80-90%+ range is exactly what you'd expect.
Lets be real. You can't chalk up 96% accuracy as having a good day.
dollarlayerdeetrI watched some demos from Yuri and there doesn't really seem to be anything strange. She doesn't hit any insane shots, doesn't ever look at people through walls. and never really appears to lock onto anybody. She just only shoots when somebody is in her crosshairs. Might be triggerbotting, might be legit, just thought I would put out what I'm seeing.
Only thing I saw that looked like hacking was flicking her mouse to a demo once, but she flicked back to the same spot later so it could totally just be luck that he was there. Around tick 12000 in this demo if anybody wants to look.
I watched the full demo of yuri with the 96% accuracy. There is no way in hell she was able to hit 96% accuracy in that game legitimately. The only way someone might be able to get about 85-90% accuracy is if they are only shooting soldiers and demos and going for lots of easy chip shots. Their DPM would also be shit (sub 200 most likely), not the ~500 that yuri got in that game.
Also worth noting is that game was not against some random iron players. There were at least 2 plat players on the other team, and one with IM experience as well as others that have played 1000's of lobbies and are decent players.
See the thing is, with silent aim at least on scout when its set to a reasonable like <5 degree aimbot FOV , you generally are not going to look at the demo and be like.... gotcha..... obvious hacks and I saw you locking on to targets all over the place. Because its silent aim. It literally drops all of the client side packets where the crosshair is being assisted, so the aim assist is taking place all behind the scenes. And it does this on both the clients computer and the server side, which just makes their aim look normal and smooth. If they regularly average say 65-70% accuracy, with 3-5 degrees of aim assist frequent logs in the 80-90%+ range is exactly what you'd expect.
Lets be real. You can't chalk up 96% accuracy as having a good day.
Yeah I couldn't find the demo for the 96% accuracy, do you have a link to that?
[quote=dollarlayer][quote=deetr]I watched some demos from Yuri and there doesn't really seem to be anything strange. She doesn't hit any insane shots, doesn't ever look at people through walls. and never really appears to lock onto anybody. She just only shoots when somebody is in her crosshairs. Might be triggerbotting, might be legit, just thought I would put out what I'm seeing.
Only thing I saw that looked like hacking was flicking her mouse to a demo once, but she flicked back to the same spot later so it could totally just be luck that he was there. Around tick 12000 in [url=http://logs.tf/847368?highlight=76561198044159901]this demo[/url] if anybody wants to look.[/quote]
I watched the full demo of yuri with the 96% accuracy. There is no way in hell she was able to hit 96% accuracy in that game legitimately. The only way someone might be able to get about 85-90% accuracy is if they are only shooting soldiers and demos and going for lots of easy chip shots. Their DPM would also be shit (sub 200 most likely), not the ~500 that yuri got in that game.
Also worth noting is that game was not against some random iron players. There were at least 2 plat players on the other team, and one with IM experience as well as others that have played 1000's of lobbies and are decent players.
See the thing is, with silent aim at least on scout when its set to a reasonable like <5 degree aimbot FOV , you generally are not going to look at the demo and be like.... gotcha..... obvious hacks and I saw you locking on to targets all over the place. Because its silent aim. It literally drops all of the client side packets where the crosshair is being assisted, so the aim assist is taking place all behind the scenes. And it does this on both the clients computer and the server side, which just makes their aim look normal and smooth. If they regularly average say 65-70% accuracy, with 3-5 degrees of aim assist frequent logs in the 80-90%+ range is exactly what you'd expect.
Lets be real. You can't chalk up 96% accuracy as having a good day.[/quote]
Yeah I couldn't find the demo for the 96% accuracy, do you have a link to that?
I've been playing with Yuri for years and have played a few seasons with her and I can honestly say that she's gotten better but not enough to be called a cheater. Personally I think these accusations are really stupid, it's really not that hard to stand out in lobbies. Free Yuri 2015
I've been playing with Yuri for years and have played a few seasons with her and I can honestly say that she's gotten better but not enough to be called a cheater. Personally I think these accusations are really stupid, it's really not that hard to stand out in lobbies. Free Yuri 2015
SidewaysWhoopiI've been playing with Yuri for years and have played a few seasons with her and I can honestly say that she's gotten better but not enough to be called a cheater. Personally I think these accusations are really stupid, it's really not that hard to stand out in lobbies. Free Yuri 2015
Yeah watching her demos she didn't seem like a cheater, but 96% is insane. Say an average shot is 80 damage, she did 8400 damage that would mean that she missed 4 shots out of 105. I don't know that I can believe that's possible, regardless of how good you are. I'd love to see the opinion of somebody who is really good at scout because it might be completely plausible and I just have no clue how accurate you can be against players with bad movement.
[quote=SidewaysWhoopi]I've been playing with Yuri for years and have played a few seasons with her and I can honestly say that she's gotten better but not enough to be called a cheater. Personally I think these accusations are really stupid, it's really not that hard to stand out in lobbies. Free Yuri 2015[/quote]
Yeah watching her demos she didn't seem like a cheater, but 96% is insane. Say an average shot is 80 damage, she did 8400 damage that would mean that she missed 4 shots out of 105. I don't know that I can believe that's possible, regardless of how good you are. I'd love to see the opinion of somebody who is really good at scout because it might be completely plausible and I just have no clue how accurate you can be against players with bad movement.
deetrSidewaysWhoopiI've been playing with Yuri for years and have played a few seasons with her and I can honestly say that she's gotten better but not enough to be called a cheater. Personally I think these accusations are really stupid, it's really not that hard to stand out in lobbies. Free Yuri 2015
Yeah watching her demos she didn't seem like a cheater, but 96% is insane. Say an average shot is 80 damage, she did 8400 damage that would mean that she missed 4 shots out of 105. I don't know that I can believe that's possible, regardless of how good you are. I'd love to see the opinion of somebody who is really good at scout because it might be completely plausible and I just have no clue how accurate you can be against players with bad movement.
you don't have to be good at scout to know that 96% accuracy is simply not possible in regular play.
[quote=deetr][quote=SidewaysWhoopi]I've been playing with Yuri for years and have played a few seasons with her and I can honestly say that she's gotten better but not enough to be called a cheater. Personally I think these accusations are really stupid, it's really not that hard to stand out in lobbies. Free Yuri 2015[/quote]
Yeah watching her demos she didn't seem like a cheater, but 96% is insane. Say an average shot is 80 damage, she did 8400 damage that would mean that she missed 4 shots out of 105. I don't know that I can believe that's possible, regardless of how good you are. I'd love to see the opinion of somebody who is really good at scout because it might be completely plausible and I just have no clue how accurate you can be against players with bad movement.[/quote]
you don't have to be good at scout to know that 96% accuracy is simply not possible in regular play.
"dont ban this person, hes my friend!"
this is getting old. Evidence speaks for itself. If you think someone isn't cheating all of a sudden because you know them, then you shouldn't be in this thread.
"dont ban this person, hes my friend!"
this is getting old. Evidence speaks for itself. If you think someone isn't cheating all of a sudden because you know them, then you shouldn't be in this thread.