At this point I think that Valve is trying to make sure that nobody will ever play matchmaking again.

Like probably in the next update they will throw out Snakewater, Sunshine, Gullywash and Metalworks and add 2Fort, Dustbowl and Gold Rush.

I played matchmaking because once in a blue moon it could be fun, with good team and good maps. But no they threw out 2 of best matchmaking maps and gave us one map not suited for 6v6 and one just terrible map.

Valve are you listening?! People didn't want to play on Swiftwater and Gorge, Granary and Badlands were good.

If this happened 6 years ago, Valve could experiment with matchmaking, because back then TF2 wasn't dying and people would play matchmaking and give feedback. Right now there is no time for experiments like this because TF2 is losing players and nobody plays matchmaking in its current state, the best Valve could do is to balance weapons that are banned from leagues, fix all bugs and stuff and just take the ruleset and map rotation from leagues.

But they just have to test competitive formats themselves and probably they will test formats until nobody will play matchmaking or TF2.

tbh gorge isn't even that bad in comparison to turbine and badwater (in a 6v6 MM setting)

Most games die due to them being old, developers not updating them anymore etc.
I guess valve proves that you can also kill a game by being so stubborn and ignorant that every update they create makes the game shitter ...causing people to leave

It's not even funny anymore.

What a neato update am I right guys?

Maybe these changes were based on the results from the previous update's survey since i'm pretty sure most players would pick these maps because they know nothing about 6s. I don't know what the survey was about though.

The survey was pretty much "Rate your Match: - Bad -Good". Nothing to do with surveys.

"Fixed not being able to gain progress on Merasmissions" xD!

i just played badwater and its better than... swiftwater so just remove swiftwater PLEASE VALVE

damn I went through the whole thread waiting for slin to make a new apologist shitpost :(

"Fixed not being able to gain progress on Merasmissions"

... still broken, volvo pls.

Soon™

"don't worry guys valve got this"

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/CsQmTdqWcAAf8PK.jpg:large

honestly tho arent badwater and turbine the two most played pub maps after 2fort?

the bright side is now everyones gonna realize how much ctf and payload truly blow for competitive

https://cache.sythe.org/+F6lVKm3+vSqkoHS8p9Q/mh0dHA6Ly9pNjgudGlueXBpYy5jb20vazM2MXpzLnBuZw==

It blows my mind that people still fight in valve's defense even after the braindead decisions they make. They aren't learning. They never will. No matter how good your visit to their office is, we'll only ever see a fraction of that progress released, likely incomplete or broken. I know they've got their hardships, dragging along a decade old game with spaghetti code and fluxuating dev numbers, but if you're making decisions like destroying the map pool for the sake of "experimenting", all while you refuse to acknowledge years of community format testing and refusing to reopen the beta branch, you aren't a good developer making the best of what you've got. You're an idiot.

It's been said before, i'll say it again. I love Valve's franchises. I despise Valve.

Not to mention contracts won't even work...

they won't though, because mm is total garbage. you might as well say a sparsely populated pub is comp tf2. If you're someone who isn't already into comp TF2, you're insanely unlikely to get more than 3-4 people per game who actually know what they're doing, and unlikely to be able to recognize what those people are doing right since it's so rare that you get to see them, and will never really get a feel for what works and what doesn't.

See also: why the info Valve gets from matchmaking is worse than useless

At least we got our spooky halloween update

This frustrates me about Valve's "data-driven" approach. They can't seem to tell that it doesn't matter how much data they're gathering because it's all fucking junk data in the first place. They need only look to this community and the many hard working and passionate people who could give them constructive and specific advice on what exactly to do to make the game successful (or at the very least playable) as a competitive game, but either out of stubbornness or incompetence they'd rather send out a shitty "survey" that won't tell them anything that they can actually use constructively.
It's actually infuriating how retarded it is. Valve see that people aren't happy with the current state of TF2, so they implement an end-of-game survey that only asks "Were you satisfied with this game?" HOW is that supposed to help anything at all? You already know people aren't satisfied and you've already been in contact with several people who can tell you exactly why people aren't satisfied and how to take steps to fix it. FUCK YOU VALVE.

still haven't even gotten any missions. are you supposed to have or equip something? I have the gargoyle but im still just not getting anything

i got the missions but cant get any points lol

I better get some vinegar so all this salt doesnt go to waste

hopefully you still don't lose rank when you win, right guys?
.....right?

MISSIONS ARE NOW WORKING FOR ME WOHOOO

http://i.imgur.com/3q21bZT.jpg

https://img.buzzfeed.com/buzzfeed-static/static/enhanced/webdr02/2013/8/20/14/anigif_enhanced-buzz-16962-1377021955-14.gif

not for me still :-(

what an update

I really feel like Valve's meaning of "making something good" is forcing shit down our throats while whispering "it will be good, it will be good" into our ears.

Or maybe another analogy, they're just throwing garbage at us while hoping we get used to it over time.