Rule 1006.5 in the RGL Global Rules states that should a team who has won a division want to play in that same division, the mains mustn't play on the same roster, "individually, the starting players (mains) can still play in the same division, but not on the same roster."
Global RGL rules: https://docs.google.com/document/d/1jfp2o6X4m0zdrX50kZ5YNsrvBANqxfDb-nEsRBb1wh0/view
However, this team, https://rgl.gg/Public/Team.aspx?t=9719&r=40 has 4 of the same main players as their previous team, https://rgl.gg/Public/Team.aspx?t=7095&r=40 who had previously won AM. The same 4 players also got second place in MAIN in S6 https://rgl.gg/Public/Team.aspx?t=8568&r=40. They were permitted to play AM again in S8 which is a direct violation of the formerly stated rule and are not med restricted despite being Advanced level.
Does this have anything to do with the fact that Fluey, an RGL admin happens to be on this team or did the admins happen to miss the fact that they were on a past roster. We must also ask why Fluey, the IM 6s admin said nothing about this.
Rule 1006.5 in the RGL Global Rules states that should a team who has won a division want to play in that same division, the mains mustn't play on the same roster, "individually, the starting players (mains) can still play in the same division, but not on the same roster."
Global RGL rules: https://docs.google.com/document/d/1jfp2o6X4m0zdrX50kZ5YNsrvBANqxfDb-nEsRBb1wh0/view
However, this team, https://rgl.gg/Public/Team.aspx?t=9719&r=40 has 4 of the same main players as their previous team, https://rgl.gg/Public/Team.aspx?t=7095&r=40 who had previously won AM. The same 4 players also got second place in MAIN in S6 https://rgl.gg/Public/Team.aspx?t=8568&r=40. They were permitted to play AM again in S8 which is a direct violation of the formerly stated rule and are not med restricted despite being Advanced level.
Does this have anything to do with the fact that Fluey, an RGL admin happens to be on this team or did the admins happen to miss the fact that they were on a past roster. We must also ask why Fluey, the IM 6s admin said nothing about this.
i dont see the issue with 3 players coming back 4 seasons later, especially since there are class restrictions
the rule should specify if it only applies for a season or two, similar to how class restrictions degrade over time
i dont see the issue with 3 players coming back 4 seasons later, especially since there are class restrictions
the rule should specify if it only applies for a season or two, similar to how class restrictions degrade over time
Well it clearly is an issue since the team has won every match. Rule enforcement inconsistency is generally bad especially when the team has an admin on it. This also doesn't explain why a second place MAIN team can reform in AM 2 seasons later without being med locked.
Well it clearly is an issue since the team has won every match. Rule enforcement inconsistency is generally bad especially when the team has an admin on it. This also doesn't explain why a second place MAIN team can reform in AM 2 seasons later without being med locked.
DogdayboyWell it clearly is an issue since the team has won every match. Rule enforcement inconsistency is generally bad especially when the team has an admin on it. If 3 players can come back 4 seasons later, can they come back 3 seasons later instead? Can 4 players reform a team again?
Yes lmao. It seems like a team can reform in the same div but not under the same roster. Like the people can still play together but just on different roles. An example of this is Kronge Realm which would place high in advanced every season and mostly just change up the roles among the same group of players. I'm more or less going off what is enforced.
The rule is still vague as fuck and contradicts itself though make no mistake.
[quote=Dogdayboy]Well it clearly is an issue since the team has won every match. Rule enforcement inconsistency is generally bad especially when the team has an admin on it. If 3 players can come back 4 seasons later, can they come back 3 seasons later instead? Can 4 players reform a team again?[/quote]
Yes lmao. It seems like a team can reform in the same div but not under the [u]same roster[/u]. Like the people can still play together but just on different roles. An example of this is Kronge Realm which would place high in advanced every season and mostly just change up the roles among the same group of players. I'm more or less going off what is enforced.
The rule is still vague as fuck and contradicts itself though make no mistake.
Actually my mistake, there are 4 players from the same roster
Actually my mistake, there are 4 players from the same roster
tacocatIt seems like a team can reform in the same div but not under the same roster.
even with how vaguely the rule is written this is a bird brained way to interpret it
[quote=tacocat]It seems like a team can reform in the same div but not under the [u]same roster[/u].[/quote]
even with how vaguely the rule is written this is a bird brained way to interpret it
brody even with how vaguely the rule is written this is a bird brained way to interpret it
rgl A team reforming in the same division after high placement will receive appropriate scrutiny and may face roster restrictions depending on roster changes similar to any other team in the division.
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[quote=brody] even with how vaguely the rule is written this is a bird brained way to interpret it[/quote]
[quote=rgl] A team reforming in the same division after high placement will receive appropriate scrutiny and may face roster restrictions depending on roster changes similar to any other team in the division.
[/quote]
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tacocatbrody even with how vaguely the rule is written this is a bird brained way to interpret it
rgl A team reforming in the same division after high placement will receive appropriate scrutiny and may face roster restrictions depending on roster changes similar to any other team in the division.
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The rule I mention pertains only to the winning team. That rule is for the other high placing teams.
[quote=tacocat][quote=brody] even with how vaguely the rule is written this is a bird brained way to interpret it[/quote]
[quote=rgl] A team reforming in the same division after high placement will receive appropriate scrutiny and may face roster restrictions depending on roster changes similar to any other team in the division.
[/quote]
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The rule I mention pertains only to the winning team. That rule is for the other high placing teams.
I quit tf2 in 2019 for a full two years. I've been playing for only a few months after that hiatus, and I'm already drastically better than I was before I quit. The only conceivable way I could see the "time away from tf2" argument apply is if someone has gone through irreparable damage to their mental state. Unless you quit games in general it's not like you get worst over time at videogames generally. The time between their seasons should not matter.
All this to say, the fluey team has 4 players that made 4th place in main 6s. That is literally a team that could've gone even in advanced. Would you all be okay if b4nny dropped down into main 6s to play medic? I don't care what you restrict him from, restricted to med only, the main players are literally just gonna get comms diffed. Now, take "mid advanced" players, quote, and put them in amateur division, and restrict them off 2/3rds of classes, they're still going to roll everyone. Like, I think I have a combined 100 logs on soldier and scout, the rest on demo, but of the few times I've played those other combat classes it has been with my friends in pugscrims in lower divisions such as AM or IM and it isn't hard to just DM and comms diff them even on those classes.
The fact that the fluey team is currently undefeated in AM is proof of this. It's absurd that they are allowed to be in this division.
I quit tf2 in 2019 for a full two years. I've been playing for only a few months after that hiatus, and I'm already drastically better than I was before I quit. The only conceivable way I could see the "time away from tf2" argument apply is if someone has gone through irreparable damage to their mental state. Unless you quit games in general it's not like you get worst over time at videogames generally. The time between their seasons should not matter.
All this to say, the fluey team has 4 players that made 4th place in main 6s. That is literally a team that could've gone even in advanced. Would you all be okay if b4nny dropped down into main 6s to play medic? I don't care what you restrict him from, restricted to med only, the main players are literally just gonna get comms diffed. Now, take "mid advanced" players, quote, and put them in amateur division, and restrict them off 2/3rds of classes, they're still going to roll everyone. Like, I think I have a combined 100 logs on soldier and scout, the rest on demo, but of the few times I've played those other combat classes it has been with my friends in pugscrims in lower divisions such as AM or IM and it isn't hard to just DM and comms diff them even on those classes.
The fact that the fluey team is currently undefeated in AM is proof of this. It's absurd that they are allowed to be in this division.
roster restrictions don't get rid of the game sense, map experience, and other non-tangibles required to win 2nd place in main that the avg AM team cannot reasonably compete with.
roster restrictions don't get rid of the game sense, map experience, and other non-tangibles required to win 2nd place in main that the avg AM team cannot reasonably compete with.
ThunderDuckI quit tf2 in 2019 for a full two years. I've been playing for only a few months after that hiatus, and I'm already drastically better than I was before I quit. The only conceivable way I could see the "time away from tf2" argument apply is if someone has gone through irreparable damage to their mental state. Unless you quit games in general it's not like you get worst over time at videogames generally. The time between their seasons should not matter.
All this to say, the fluey team has 4 players that made 4th place in main 6s. That is literally a team that could've gone even in advanced. Would you all be okay if b4nny dropped down into main 6s to play medic? I don't care what you restrict him from, restricted to med only, the main players are literally just gonna get comms diffed. Now, take "mid advanced" players, quote, and put them in amateur division, and restrict them off 2/3rds of classes, they're still going to roll everyone. Like, I think I have a combined 100 logs on soldier and scout, the rest on demo, but of the few times I've played those other combat classes it has been with my friends in pugscrims in lower divisions such as AM or IM and it isn't hard to just DM and comms diff them even on those classes.
The fact that the fluey team is currently undefeated in AM is proof of this. It's absurd that they are allowed to be in this division.
And none of the players are med locked.
[quote=ThunderDuck]I quit tf2 in 2019 for a full two years. I've been playing for only a few months after that hiatus, and I'm already drastically better than I was before I quit. The only conceivable way I could see the "time away from tf2" argument apply is if someone has gone through irreparable damage to their mental state. Unless you quit games in general it's not like you get worst over time at videogames generally. The time between their seasons should not matter.
All this to say, the fluey team has 4 players that made 4th place in main 6s. That is literally a team that could've gone even in advanced. Would you all be okay if b4nny dropped down into main 6s to play medic? I don't care what you restrict him from, restricted to med only, the main players are literally just gonna get comms diffed. Now, take "mid advanced" players, quote, and put them in amateur division, and restrict them off 2/3rds of classes, they're still going to roll everyone. Like, I think I have a combined 100 logs on soldier and scout, the rest on demo, but of the few times I've played those other combat classes it has been with my friends in pugscrims in lower divisions such as AM or IM and it isn't hard to just DM and comms diff them even on those classes.
The fact that the fluey team is currently undefeated in AM is proof of this. It's absurd that they are allowed to be in this division.[/quote]
And none of the players are med locked.
honestly just the tip of the iceberg when it comes to admin corruption in RGL
honestly just the tip of the iceberg when it comes to admin corruption in RGL
A lot of players would agree with your sentiment but this is all in vein if you haven't said a word to RGL admins or made a ticket. Especially this late into the season.
I don't see how posting on TFTV and crossing your fingers that an RGL admin would see this is helping anybody. Regardless of the levels of dissent.
A lot of players would agree with your sentiment but this is all in vein if you haven't said a word to RGL admins or made a ticket. Especially this late into the season.
I don't see how posting on TFTV and crossing your fingers that an RGL admin would see this is helping anybody. Regardless of the levels of dissent.
[img]https://i.gyazo.com/5caba0072a73a1d5f05b39550e771c5a.png[/img]
Perpetual loser sandbags to try and get his first win.
NoNoeWayA lot of players would agree with your sentiment but this is all in vein if you haven't said a word to RGL admins or made a ticket. Especially this late into the season.
I don't see how posting on TFTV and crossing your fingers that an RGL admin would see this is helping anybody. Regardless of the levels of dissent.
I did open a support ticket and the response was that the players are restricted from their mains from their previous seasons meaning all is good. This does not explain why they are violating their own rules.
https://gyazo.com/804960a42152cde4634d1fd2ee568b52
[quote=NoNoeWay]A lot of players would agree with your sentiment but this is all in vein if you haven't said a word to RGL admins or made a ticket. Especially this late into the season.
I don't see how posting on TFTV and crossing your fingers that an RGL admin would see this is helping anybody. Regardless of the levels of dissent.[/quote]
I did open a support ticket and the response was that the players are restricted from their mains from their previous seasons meaning all is good. This does not explain why they are violating their own rules.
https://gyazo.com/804960a42152cde4634d1fd2ee568b52
DogdayboyNoNoeWayA lot of players would agree with your sentiment but this is all in vein if you haven't said a word to RGL admins or made a ticket. Especially this late into the season.
I don't see how posting on TFTV and crossing your fingers that an RGL admin would see this is helping anybody. Regardless of the levels of dissent.
I did open a support ticket and the response was that the players are restricted from their mains from their previous seasons meaning all is good. This does not explain why they are violating their own rules.
https://gyazo.com/804960a42152cde4634d1fd2ee568b52
did he mispell "roster road" lmfao
[quote=Dogdayboy][quote=NoNoeWay]A lot of players would agree with your sentiment but this is all in vein if you haven't said a word to RGL admins or made a ticket. Especially this late into the season.
I don't see how posting on TFTV and crossing your fingers that an RGL admin would see this is helping anybody. Regardless of the levels of dissent.[/quote]
I did open a support ticket and the response was that the players are restricted from their mains from their previous seasons meaning all is good. This does not explain why they are violating their own rules.
https://gyazo.com/804960a42152cde4634d1fd2ee568b52[/quote]
did he mispell "roster road" lmfao
seems like theyre only performing marginally better than the #2 AM team, who cares
seems like theyre only performing marginally better than the #2 AM team, who cares
I would think teams like this one that were interested in learning and getting better as a group would seek to be in the paid division with two matches per week and better competition instead of the unpaid division with a lot of teams who just play for fun, but that's just me...
I would think teams like this one that were interested in learning and getting better as a group would seek to be in the paid division with two matches per week and better competition instead of the unpaid division with a lot of teams who just play for fun, but that's just me...
DogdayboyI did open a support ticket...
Fair enough.
[quote=Dogdayboy]I did open a support ticket...[/quote]
Fair enough.
Dogdayboy
100% will admit that the original ruling for roster move ups (1006.5) reads like garbage, as the admins and I have since discussed. However, you left out part of the ticket specifically stating what rule we generally go by when approaching these situations.
https://i.imgur.com/Sr0h9o4.png
There is a clear contradiction in the rules that I won't deny, it's confusing upfront and we are looking into removing 1006.5 entirely as 1006.3.3 covers our general approach in better detail. Now for why this team is allowed to play AM is out of my domain as I have no idea about the relative skill of the players. But honestly if there is anyone I trust to make correct decisions about div placements/restrictions or really anything league related it is Camper. I assure you it wasn't a decision made hastily or without deliberation.
We are going to miss out on stuff, the admin team is not perfect, and frankly, if I had the time to go through all the rules and think of every possible scenario they could apply, and change them accordingly, I would. We do genuinely make changes and adjustments to rules when we come upon situations like this where there are clear contradictions or things that aren't in line with how we currently operate. What I'm trying to say is that these situations are appreciated by the admin team because we don't exactly have the time to refine every rule in the best way we can.
TFTV is a meaningful platform to talk about issues and kick admins in the ass for being stupid or having contradictory rules. IMO, and people are free to disagree, you posted this thread mid-convo with admins, I feel like it's a bit unfair to post out-of-context without getting a proper/full response from us. I think we try and be genuine and as thorough as we can, which is why threads like this that more or less don't give 100% context and immediately accuse admins of being corrupt undermines both admin longevity/tolerance and overarching community opinion about RGL admin efficiency. I will never be able to control when/what people post, but I'm hoping that in the future people will continue to use the ticket system to it's fullest extent while also considering that admins may not be able to clarify rules in the way that you would like them to, and attempt to further discuss contradictions without making accusations. If further discussion leads nowhere, post away.
[quote=Dogdayboy][/quote]
100% will admit that the original ruling for roster move ups (1006.5) reads like garbage, as the admins and I have since discussed. However, you left out part of the ticket specifically stating what rule we generally go by when approaching these situations.
[img]https://i.imgur.com/Sr0h9o4.png[/img]
There is a clear contradiction in the rules that I won't deny, it's confusing upfront and we are looking into removing 1006.5 entirely as 1006.3.3 covers our general approach in better detail. Now for why this team is allowed to play AM is out of my domain as I have no idea about the relative skill of the players. But honestly if there is anyone I trust to make correct decisions about div placements/restrictions or really anything league related it is Camper. I assure you it wasn't a decision made hastily or without deliberation.
We are going to miss out on stuff, the admin team is not perfect, and frankly, if I had the time to go through all the rules and think of every possible scenario they could apply, and change them accordingly, I would. We do genuinely make changes and adjustments to rules when we come upon situations like this where there are clear contradictions or things that aren't in line with how we currently operate. What I'm trying to say is that these situations are appreciated by the admin team because we don't exactly have the time to refine every rule in the best way we can.
TFTV is a meaningful platform to talk about issues and kick admins in the ass for being stupid or having contradictory rules. IMO, and people are free to disagree, you posted this thread mid-convo with admins, I feel like it's a bit unfair to post out-of-context without getting a proper/full response from us. I think we try and be genuine and as thorough as we can, which is why threads like this that more or less don't give 100% context and immediately accuse admins of being corrupt undermines both admin longevity/tolerance and overarching community opinion about RGL admin efficiency. I will never be able to control when/what people post, but I'm hoping that in the future people will continue to use the ticket system to it's fullest extent while also considering that admins may not be able to clarify rules in the way that you would like them to, and attempt to further discuss contradictions without making accusations. If further discussion leads nowhere, post away.
ScreamDogdayboy
100% will admit that the original ruling for roster move ups (1006.5) reads like garbage, as the admins and I have since discussed. However, you left out part of the ticket specifically stating what rule we generally go by when approaching these situations.
https://i.imgur.com/Sr0h9o4.png
There is a clear contradiction in the rules that I won't deny, it's confusing upfront and we are looking into removing 1006.5 entirely as 1006.3.3 covers our general approach in better detail. Now for why this team is allowed to play AM is out of my domain as I have no idea about the relative skill of the players. But honestly if there is anyone I trust to make correct decisions about div placements/restrictions or really anything league related it is Camper. I assure you it wasn't a decision made hastily or without deliberation.
We are going to miss out on stuff, the admin team is not perfect, and frankly, if I had the time to go through all the rules and think of every possible scenario they could apply, and change them accordingly, I would. We do genuinely make changes and adjustments to rules when we come upon situations like this where there are clear contradictions or things that aren't in line with how we currently operate. What I'm trying to say is that these situations are appreciated by the admin team because we don't exactly have the time to refine every rule in the best way we can.
TFTV is a meaningful platform to talk about issues and kick admins in the ass for being stupid or having contradictory rules. IMO, and people are free to disagree, you posted this thread mid-convo with admins, I feel like it's a bit unfair to post out-of-context without getting a proper/full response from us. I think we try and be genuine and as thorough as we can, which is why threads like this that more or less don't give 100% context and immediately accuse admins of being corrupt undermines both admin longevity/tolerance and overarching community opinion about RGL admin efficiency. I will never be able to control when/what people post, but I'm hoping that in the future people will continue to use the ticket system to it's fullest extent while also considering that admins may not be able to clarify rules in the way that you would like them to, and attempt to further discuss contradictions without making accusations. If further discussion leads nowhere, post away.
Full context:
https://gyazo.com/a392158db8cbab99c368a46203fe48eb
https://gyazo.com/c8d082da8782c0e2a3d26da7837fc944
He says the main take away is that it's ultimately up to his discretion but there is also a conflict of interest considering he was a former teammate.
[quote=Scream][quote=Dogdayboy][/quote]
100% will admit that the original ruling for roster move ups (1006.5) reads like garbage, as the admins and I have since discussed. However, you left out part of the ticket specifically stating what rule we generally go by when approaching these situations.
[img]https://i.imgur.com/Sr0h9o4.png[/img]
There is a clear contradiction in the rules that I won't deny, it's confusing upfront and we are looking into removing 1006.5 entirely as 1006.3.3 covers our general approach in better detail. Now for why this team is allowed to play AM is out of my domain as I have no idea about the relative skill of the players. But honestly if there is anyone I trust to make correct decisions about div placements/restrictions or really anything league related it is Camper. I assure you it wasn't a decision made hastily or without deliberation.
We are going to miss out on stuff, the admin team is not perfect, and frankly, if I had the time to go through all the rules and think of every possible scenario they could apply, and change them accordingly, I would. We do genuinely make changes and adjustments to rules when we come upon situations like this where there are clear contradictions or things that aren't in line with how we currently operate. What I'm trying to say is that these situations are appreciated by the admin team because we don't exactly have the time to refine every rule in the best way we can.
TFTV is a meaningful platform to talk about issues and kick admins in the ass for being stupid or having contradictory rules. IMO, and people are free to disagree, you posted this thread mid-convo with admins, I feel like it's a bit unfair to post out-of-context without getting a proper/full response from us. I think we try and be genuine and as thorough as we can, which is why threads like this that more or less don't give 100% context and immediately accuse admins of being corrupt undermines both admin longevity/tolerance and overarching community opinion about RGL admin efficiency. I will never be able to control when/what people post, but I'm hoping that in the future people will continue to use the ticket system to it's fullest extent while also considering that admins may not be able to clarify rules in the way that you would like them to, and attempt to further discuss contradictions without making accusations. If further discussion leads nowhere, post away.[/quote]
Full context:
https://gyazo.com/a392158db8cbab99c368a46203fe48eb
https://gyazo.com/c8d082da8782c0e2a3d26da7837fc944
He says the main take away is that it's ultimately up to his discretion but there is also a conflict of interest considering he was a former teammate.
hey guys fluey is really good at restrictions he restricted me in IM 6s off solly cause I played spy heavy med in bottom invite hl ik ik its a little much to handle my only other solly exp was like silver ugc hl s19 an s20 ugc 6s steel or some dumb shit i legit have not played solly in a million years cause i used to play with 120 ping (shout out to century link)
so the tldr he just knows more then me he saw potential in my solly so he restricted me off of it
GOD SPEED
https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/920197678531489853/933040299670913094/unknown.png
https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/908202621762940960/933038187490705468/IMG_4531.png
https://rgl.gg/Public/Team.aspx?t=9850&r=40 team page if u care
hey guys fluey is really good at restrictions he restricted me in IM 6s off solly cause I played spy heavy med in bottom invite hl ik ik its a little much to handle my only other solly exp was like silver ugc hl s19 an s20 ugc 6s steel or some dumb shit i legit have not played solly in a million years cause i used to play with 120 ping (shout out to century link)
so the tldr he just knows more then me he saw potential in my solly so he restricted me off of it
[b]GOD SPEED[/b]
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[img]https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/908202621762940960/933038187490705468/IMG_4531.png[/img]
https://rgl.gg/Public/Team.aspx?t=9850&r=40 team page if u care
dayum!
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DogdayboyHe says the main take away is that it's ultimately up to his discretion but there is also a conflict of interest considering he was a former teammate.
Please point to the COI you are referring to? Fluey played on No Limit S6, Camper played on No Limit S4 and S5, they were never together on the same roster for this team, nor any other season of TF2. It's possible they played together at some point but again, even if that is the case decisions aren't made alone for div placements (refer to my previous post I linked for nukanga below).
Kanga
Logs of you playing soldier in what seems to be invite HL matches.
https://logs.tf/3050801#76561198251245566
https://logs.tf/3050684#76561198251245566
https://logs.tf/3045015#76561198251245566
https://logs.tf/3044973#76561198251245566
Upon looking further these aren't invite HL matches, they're main matches, which is why I'm wondering if y'all had reached out besides what was said above? I'm not sure IF you contested the restriction, but from what I understand the only message Fluey or any of the admin team received was from what you posted above. We're not infallible to mistakes and I'm sorry this happened, but how can we correct something that we don't know is wrong? I guess being better/more thorough is the answer but alas, mistakes happen.
Refer here for a full explanation of derivation of class restrictions and contesting them https://www.teamfortress.tv/post/1061654/rgl-class-restrictions .
[quote=Dogdayboy]He says the main take away is that it's ultimately up to his discretion but there is also a conflict of interest considering he was a former teammate.[/quote]
Please point to the COI you are referring to? Fluey played on No Limit S6, Camper played on No Limit S4 and S5, they were never together on the same roster for this team, nor any other season of TF2. It's possible they played together at some point but again, even if that is the case decisions aren't made alone for div placements (refer to my previous post I linked for nukanga below).
[quote=Kanga][/quote]
Logs of you playing soldier in what seems to be invite HL matches.
https://logs.tf/3050801#76561198251245566
https://logs.tf/3050684#76561198251245566
https://logs.tf/3045015#76561198251245566
https://logs.tf/3044973#76561198251245566
Upon looking further these aren't invite HL matches, they're main matches, which is why I'm wondering if y'all had reached out besides what was said above? I'm not sure IF you contested the restriction, but from what I understand the only message Fluey or any of the admin team received was from what you posted above. We're not infallible to mistakes and I'm sorry this happened, but how can we correct something that we don't know is wrong? I guess being better/more thorough is the answer but alas, mistakes happen.
Refer here for a full explanation of derivation of class restrictions and contesting them https://www.teamfortress.tv/post/1061654/rgl-class-restrictions .
[img]https://miro.medium.com/max/996/1*9VK4ULhQjwxkTuXBwc0r7A.gif[/img]
ScreamDogdayboyHe says the main take away is that it's ultimately up to his discretion but there is also a conflict of interest considering he was a former teammate.
Please point to the COI you are referring to? Fluey played on No Limit S6, Camper played on No Limit S4 and S5, they were never together on the same roster for this team, nor any other season of TF2. It's possible they played together at some point but again, even if that is the case decisions aren't made alone for div placements (refer to my previous post I linked for nukanga below).
I'm talking about Camper and the team not Fluey specifically.
[quote=Scream][quote=Dogdayboy]He says the main take away is that it's ultimately up to his discretion but there is also a conflict of interest considering he was a former teammate.[/quote]
Please point to the COI you are referring to? Fluey played on No Limit S6, Camper played on No Limit S4 and S5, they were never together on the same roster for this team, nor any other season of TF2. It's possible they played together at some point but again, even if that is the case decisions aren't made alone for div placements (refer to my previous post I linked for nukanga below).
[/quote]
I'm talking about Camper and the team not Fluey specifically.