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gungonRyot This is why your google doc of strats made us maldIf you practiced the shit in this document over a season I guarantee you would get at least playoffs.
Such a strong claim from someone who never saw us play, looked at one log, heard any comm. But I disagree and I'm on the team...
[quote=gungon][quote=Ryot] This is why your google doc of [url=https://docs.google.com/document/d/1ZUGXQaRlFwMlFulwzNhRdugCehNwtHtUHAPsslGvEtk/edit]strats[/url] made us mald [/quote]
If you practiced the shit in this document over a season I guarantee you would get at least playoffs.[/quote]
Such a strong claim from someone who never saw us play, looked at one log, heard any comm. But I disagree and I'm on the team...
If you practiced the shit in this document over a season I guarantee you would get at least playoffs.[/quote]
Such a strong claim from someone who never saw us play, looked at one log, heard any comm. But I disagree and I'm on the team...
RyotgungonRyot This is why your google doc of strats made us maldIf you practiced the shit in this document over a season I guarantee you would get at least playoffs.
Such a strong claim from someone who never saw us play, looked at one log, heard any comm. But I disagree and I'm on the team...
You are shouting into a megaphone in public that you and your teammates are all dogshit and will never be good
[quote=Ryot][quote=gungon][quote=Ryot] This is why your google doc of [url=https://docs.google.com/document/d/1ZUGXQaRlFwMlFulwzNhRdugCehNwtHtUHAPsslGvEtk/edit]strats[/url] made us mald [/quote]
If you practiced the shit in this document over a season I guarantee you would get at least playoffs.[/quote]
Such a strong claim from someone who never saw us play, looked at one log, heard any comm. But I disagree and I'm on the team...[/quote]
You are shouting into a megaphone in public that you and your teammates are all dogshit and will never be good
If you practiced the shit in this document over a season I guarantee you would get at least playoffs.[/quote]
Such a strong claim from someone who never saw us play, looked at one log, heard any comm. But I disagree and I'm on the team...[/quote]
You are shouting into a megaphone in public that you and your teammates are all dogshit and will never be good
GrapeJuiceIIIRyotYou are shouting into a megaphone in public that you and your teammates are all dogshit and will never be goodgungonRyot This is why your google doc of strats made us maldIf you practiced the shit in this document over a season I guarantee you would get at least playoffs.
Such a strong claim from someone who never saw us play, looked at one log, heard any comm. But I disagree and I'm on the team...
Being realistic is really frowned upon these days. Not making playoffs your first season means your shit forever thank you.
[quote=GrapeJuiceIII][quote=Ryot][quote=gungon][quote=Ryot] This is why your google doc of [url=https://docs.google.com/document/d/1ZUGXQaRlFwMlFulwzNhRdugCehNwtHtUHAPsslGvEtk/edit]strats[/url] made us mald [/quote]
If you practiced the shit in this document over a season I guarantee you would get at least playoffs.[/quote]
Such a strong claim from someone who never saw us play, looked at one log, heard any comm. But I disagree and I'm on the team...[/quote]
You are shouting into a megaphone in public that you and your teammates are all dogshit and will never be good[/quote]
Being realistic is really frowned upon these days. Not making playoffs your first season means your shit forever thank you.
If you practiced the shit in this document over a season I guarantee you would get at least playoffs.[/quote]
Such a strong claim from someone who never saw us play, looked at one log, heard any comm. But I disagree and I'm on the team...[/quote]
You are shouting into a megaphone in public that you and your teammates are all dogshit and will never be good[/quote]
Being realistic is really frowned upon these days. Not making playoffs your first season means your shit forever thank you.
JwI normally don't do this, but because I have the feeling that my former teammates are going to slander me, I will post this as a record for the future.
For the last four days, I was kept completely in the dark as to the status of my team. I continued to schedule scrims, map reviews, and even played our Thursday match (5-3 victory) thinking I was still a member of the team. After our Thursday match had finished, I attempted to discuss with the team the problems on mids, etc. After mentioning how I had a 19-5 K/D in the second half, I was met with a snide comment about how I'm "just a baiter" and the rest of the team quickly left the mumble before I could discuss what was going on with midfights. My co-leader on RGL secretly removed my leader and continued to fail to respond to my messages.
Throughout my tenure on this team, my knowledge, and the knowledge of an invite player who was happy enough to demo review for us was put into question. My former teammates questioned whether central mids on maps like process, sunshine, etc. were a "real thing," and said that this is "invite technology" that should not be practiced. I was told to never call for our soldiers to fade bomb because that is "useless."
My teammates questioned whether this invite demo-reviewer was giving us "bad information on purpose," and the consensus of my teammates was that we should not listen to this invite player. As a result, I was given a 30-minute lecture by a teammate that everything this invite player had told me about my positioning on process mids was wrong. When I continued to play like the invite player told me in the demo review, I was accused of not listening to my teammates.
Before our Wednesday match, after which everyone on the team went radio silent, I made a point to tell the team that we should not be lecturing each other mid-match, and that it is better to simply play the game. I also asked to team to not countercall me during the match. One of my teammates responded that he "would definitely" be countercalling me if I made a bad call. After every lost teamfight, I was repeatedly lectured and essentially told I was the genesis of the team's problems. After a particular play, one miffed teammate told me I made "such a stupid play," and I became angry, asking why he was lecturing me in the middle of a match. Talking to this teammate after the match about his behavior, I was told that I was "gaslighting him." After days of complete silence, the reason given for my being cut from the team was because my "maincall is just very weird to what we are all used to playing with."
Playing on this team presented an extraordinarily toxic environment that I put up with because of my desire to improve and break through into advanced. My teammates not only constantly talked about me behind my back, but even mid-scrim, scathingly criticized me when I would take my headphones off to go to the bathroom. I was constantly mocked, used as a scapegoat for every issue on the team, and lectured at mid-scrim and mid-match. Although I am unhappy to not be able to continue playing and maincalling this season, I see my departure from this team, in part, as a good thing.
To my former teammates: You won't have anyone to blame now that I'm gone, and I pity the player who decides to take my place. Go ahead and get your friends to slander my name, downfrag this post, etc. It will not change the fact that you displayed unsportsmanlike, petulant behavior not fitting of those with any desire to improve at the game.
Sincerely,
Jw.
I have played on a team with both mudkip and Jw.. Jw was an amazing leader for Prime Era is their weren't some variables on the team he would had lead our team to playoffs. His calls are amazing Prime Era would had succeed if we simply listened if I had actually turned my ears on. He would always call central mids we were dogshit at central mids at first but then we got good at them and started fisting on every single fucking mid it was carnage. Mudkip on the other hand is the biggest piece of shit I will ever meet.
https://youtu.be/E_Nhv_zTxCU
https://imgur.com/KtUCvd9
When I was in a pug or playing in scrims with mudkip he would always fucking belittle me saying you grind just to stay shit at the game. He would spam call me on discord make fun of my ADHD and etc. He raided my FUCKING MUMBLE DURING MY PLAYOFF RUN WITH TTG.
[quote=Jw]I normally don't do this, but because I have the feeling that my former teammates are going to slander me, I will post this as a record for the future.
For the last four days, I was kept completely in the dark as to the status of my team. I continued to schedule scrims, map reviews, and even played our Thursday match (5-3 victory) thinking I was still a member of the team. After our Thursday match had finished, I attempted to discuss with the team the problems on mids, etc. After mentioning how I had a 19-5 K/D in the second half, I was met with a snide comment about how I'm "just a baiter" and the rest of the team quickly left the mumble before I could discuss what was going on with midfights. My co-leader on RGL secretly removed my leader and continued to fail to respond to my messages.
Throughout my tenure on this team, my knowledge, and the knowledge of an invite player who was happy enough to demo review for us was put into question. My former teammates questioned whether central mids on maps like process, sunshine, etc. were a "real thing," and said that this is "invite technology" that should not be practiced. I was told to never call for our soldiers to fade bomb because that is "useless."
My teammates questioned whether this invite demo-reviewer was giving us "bad information on purpose," and the consensus of my teammates was that we should not listen to this invite player. As a result, I was given a 30-minute lecture by a teammate that everything this invite player had told me about my positioning on process mids was wrong. When I continued to play like the invite player told me in the demo review, I was accused of not listening to my teammates.
Before our Wednesday match, after which everyone on the team went radio silent, I made a point to tell the team that we should not be lecturing each other mid-match, and that it is better to simply play the game. I also asked to team to not countercall me during the match. One of my teammates responded that he "would definitely" be countercalling me if I made a bad call. After every lost teamfight, I was repeatedly lectured and essentially told I was the genesis of the team's problems. After a particular play, one miffed teammate told me I made "such a stupid play," and I became angry, asking why he was lecturing me in the middle of a match. Talking to this teammate after the match about his behavior, I was told that I was "gaslighting him." After days of complete silence, the reason given for my being cut from the team was because my "maincall is just very weird to what we are all used to playing with."
Playing on this team presented an extraordinarily toxic environment that I put up with because of my desire to improve and break through into advanced. My teammates not only constantly talked about me behind my back, but even mid-scrim, scathingly criticized me when I would take my headphones off to go to the bathroom. I was constantly mocked, used as a scapegoat for every issue on the team, and lectured at mid-scrim and mid-match. Although I am unhappy to not be able to continue playing and maincalling this season, I see my departure from this team, in part, as a good thing.
To my former teammates: You won't have anyone to blame now that I'm gone, and I pity the player who decides to take my place. Go ahead and get your friends to slander my name, downfrag this post, etc. It will not change the fact that you displayed unsportsmanlike, petulant behavior not fitting of those with any desire to improve at the game.
Sincerely,
Jw.[/quote]
I have played on a team with both mudkip and Jw.. Jw was an amazing leader for Prime Era is their weren't some variables on the team he would had lead our team to playoffs. His calls are amazing Prime Era would had succeed if we simply listened if I had actually turned my ears on. He would always call central mids we were dogshit at central mids at first but then we got good at them and started fisting on every single fucking mid it was carnage. Mudkip on the other hand is the biggest piece of shit I will ever meet.
https://youtu.be/E_Nhv_zTxCU
https://imgur.com/KtUCvd9
When I was in a pug or playing in scrims with mudkip he would always fucking belittle me saying you grind just to stay shit at the game. He would spam call me on discord make fun of my ADHD and etc. He raided my FUCKING MUMBLE DURING MY PLAYOFF RUN WITH TTG.
For the last four days, I was kept completely in the dark as to the status of my team. I continued to schedule scrims, map reviews, and even played our Thursday match (5-3 victory) thinking I was still a member of the team. After our Thursday match had finished, I attempted to discuss with the team the problems on mids, etc. After mentioning how I had a 19-5 K/D in the second half, I was met with a snide comment about how I'm "just a baiter" and the rest of the team quickly left the mumble before I could discuss what was going on with midfights. My co-leader on RGL secretly removed my leader and continued to fail to respond to my messages.
Throughout my tenure on this team, my knowledge, and the knowledge of an invite player who was happy enough to demo review for us was put into question. My former teammates questioned whether central mids on maps like process, sunshine, etc. were a "real thing," and said that this is "invite technology" that should not be practiced. I was told to never call for our soldiers to fade bomb because that is "useless."
My teammates questioned whether this invite demo-reviewer was giving us "bad information on purpose," and the consensus of my teammates was that we should not listen to this invite player. As a result, I was given a 30-minute lecture by a teammate that everything this invite player had told me about my positioning on process mids was wrong. When I continued to play like the invite player told me in the demo review, I was accused of not listening to my teammates.
Before our Wednesday match, after which everyone on the team went radio silent, I made a point to tell the team that we should not be lecturing each other mid-match, and that it is better to simply play the game. I also asked to team to not countercall me during the match. One of my teammates responded that he "would definitely" be countercalling me if I made a bad call. After every lost teamfight, I was repeatedly lectured and essentially told I was the genesis of the team's problems. After a particular play, one miffed teammate told me I made "such a stupid play," and I became angry, asking why he was lecturing me in the middle of a match. Talking to this teammate after the match about his behavior, I was told that I was "gaslighting him." After days of complete silence, the reason given for my being cut from the team was because my "maincall is just very weird to what we are all used to playing with."
Playing on this team presented an extraordinarily toxic environment that I put up with because of my desire to improve and break through into advanced. My teammates not only constantly talked about me behind my back, but even mid-scrim, scathingly criticized me when I would take my headphones off to go to the bathroom. I was constantly mocked, used as a scapegoat for every issue on the team, and lectured at mid-scrim and mid-match. Although I am unhappy to not be able to continue playing and maincalling this season, I see my departure from this team, in part, as a good thing.
To my former teammates: You won't have anyone to blame now that I'm gone, and I pity the player who decides to take my place. Go ahead and get your friends to slander my name, downfrag this post, etc. It will not change the fact that you displayed unsportsmanlike, petulant behavior not fitting of those with any desire to improve at the game.
Sincerely,
Jw.[/quote]
I have played on a team with both mudkip and Jw.. Jw was an amazing leader for Prime Era is their weren't some variables on the team he would had lead our team to playoffs. His calls are amazing Prime Era would had succeed if we simply listened if I had actually turned my ears on. He would always call central mids we were dogshit at central mids at first but then we got good at them and started fisting on every single fucking mid it was carnage. Mudkip on the other hand is the biggest piece of shit I will ever meet.
https://youtu.be/E_Nhv_zTxCU
https://imgur.com/KtUCvd9
When I was in a pug or playing in scrims with mudkip he would always fucking belittle me saying you grind just to stay shit at the game. He would spam call me on discord make fun of my ADHD and etc. He raided my FUCKING MUMBLE DURING MY PLAYOFF RUN WITH TTG.
can we come up with some more interesting drama please
edit: also, the doc doesnt do much to connect larger ideas of advantages to specific actions. if people dont understand why a certain action is good, they wont be able to adapt when that action stops working. the ideas are really good for the most part but without that connection its a lot to expect your teammates to basically blindly get on board
can we come up with some more interesting drama please
edit: also, the doc doesnt do much to connect larger ideas of advantages to specific actions. if people dont understand why a certain action is good, they wont be able to adapt when that action stops working. the ideas are really good for the most part but without that connection its a lot to expect your teammates to basically blindly get on board
edit: also, the doc doesnt do much to connect larger ideas of advantages to specific actions. if people dont understand why a certain action is good, they wont be able to adapt when that action stops working. the ideas are really good for the most part but without that connection its a lot to expect your teammates to basically blindly get on board
Unconsciousyeah after seeing that google doc for mid strats on 2 maps i have earned a new found respect for JW. kids on the grind for himself and also trying to uplift his team on a general level. Also i think the other 5 people on w/e team it is need to recognize teams are always 50/50 calls and execution are what make things work if your team was trying to use things like central mids it is imperative that people on the individual level recognize when they fuck up execution instead of throwing a whole strat out or trying to go back to a "lower tier strat" when the point of finding new info/tech in any game is to practice it and review this specific part to fix these issues. Scrims were made for this exact reason the point of the game not being fun when things become a college essay I understand but that's just during the learning process. Once something becomes part of your repertoire and it becomes second nature and you don't have to mindfully think of it. As an individual it gives you so many more options to make in any competitive game that the initial trials and tribulation you face honing any tech/strat becomes super validating. Just my old man ramblings
The google doc is awesome, his effort is awesome. I joined this team because I liked how seriously the game was being taken.
The strategies on paper are good, when we played against teams that didn't play like invite players, JW was having issues making adjustments against people that were playing silly, and that's completely fine. This felt like an issue when I had told him that we couldn't rely 100% on the playbook when our opponents weren't playing into it. He disagreed here, and I got frustrated experiencing preventable problems reoccur because of an inability to stray from the "invite tactics". When chaotic situations were to happen, I didn't like the decisions that were being made. I tried to give my input on what I felt like wasn't the right call and what I thought should be done. But he perceived this as venomous toxicity, and I became increasingly frustrated as I realized no progress was being made.
It's worth putting it on the record that I know it's shitty to blindside him and send him off the team without warning, and I'm sorry about that.
Jw]Ya he's just straight up lying. I never said that and Zam never told me that in a demo review (I asked you to come to the demo review but you never responded). Thought vin might tiptoe around it a bit more, but he went for the "I'm gonna lie about him where he can see it" route. Whatever; it's obvious he's not telling the truth and that my prediction about them slandering me came true.
This is disgusting though. I am not lying, I am not slandering. An entire team did not get together just to bully you.
[quote=Unconscious]yeah after seeing that google doc for mid strats on 2 maps i have earned a new found respect for JW. kids on the grind for himself and also trying to uplift his team on a general level. Also i think the other 5 people on w/e team it is need to recognize teams are always 50/50 calls and execution are what make things work if your team was trying to use things like central mids it is imperative that people on the individual level recognize when they fuck up execution instead of throwing a whole strat out or trying to go back to a "lower tier strat" when the point of finding new info/tech in any game is to practice it and review this specific part to fix these issues. Scrims were made for this exact reason the point of the game not being fun when things become a college essay I understand but that's just during the learning process. Once something becomes part of your repertoire and it becomes second nature and you don't have to mindfully think of it. As an individual it gives you so many more options to make in any competitive game that the initial trials and tribulation you face honing any tech/strat becomes super validating. Just my old man ramblings[/quote]
The google doc is awesome, his effort is awesome. I joined this team because I liked how seriously the game was being taken.
The strategies on paper are good, when we played against teams that didn't play like invite players, JW was having issues making adjustments against people that were playing silly, and that's completely fine. This felt like an issue when I had told him that we couldn't rely 100% on the playbook when our opponents weren't playing into it. He disagreed here, and I got frustrated experiencing preventable problems reoccur because of an inability to stray from the "invite tactics". When chaotic situations were to happen, I didn't like the decisions that were being made. I tried to give my input on what I felt like wasn't the right call and what I thought should be done. But he perceived this as venomous toxicity, and I became increasingly frustrated as I realized no progress was being made.
It's worth putting it on the record that I know it's shitty to blindside him and send him off the team without warning, and I'm sorry about that.
[quote=Jw]]Ya he's just straight up lying. I never said that and Zam never told me that in a demo review (I asked you to come to the demo review but you never responded). Thought vin might tiptoe around it a bit more, but he went for the "I'm gonna lie about him where he can see it" route. Whatever; it's obvious he's not telling the truth and that my prediction about them slandering me came true.[/quote]
This is disgusting though. I am not lying, I am not slandering. An entire team did not get together just to bully you.
The google doc is awesome, his effort is awesome. I joined this team because I liked how seriously the game was being taken.
The strategies on paper are good, when we played against teams that didn't play like invite players, JW was having issues making adjustments against people that were playing silly, and that's completely fine. This felt like an issue when I had told him that we couldn't rely 100% on the playbook when our opponents weren't playing into it. He disagreed here, and I got frustrated experiencing preventable problems reoccur because of an inability to stray from the "invite tactics". When chaotic situations were to happen, I didn't like the decisions that were being made. I tried to give my input on what I felt like wasn't the right call and what I thought should be done. But he perceived this as venomous toxicity, and I became increasingly frustrated as I realized no progress was being made.
It's worth putting it on the record that I know it's shitty to blindside him and send him off the team without warning, and I'm sorry about that.
[quote=Jw]]Ya he's just straight up lying. I never said that and Zam never told me that in a demo review (I asked you to come to the demo review but you never responded). Thought vin might tiptoe around it a bit more, but he went for the "I'm gonna lie about him where he can see it" route. Whatever; it's obvious he's not telling the truth and that my prediction about them slandering me came true.[/quote]
This is disgusting though. I am not lying, I am not slandering. An entire team did not get together just to bully you.
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u dont have to justify to anyone why u cut someone btw. if they werent fun to play with u dont have to keep playing with them, u dont have to try and convince ppl on tftv that u are in the moral right or something, u just stop playing with them and move on. if ur not super serious about improving it is totally fine to just play with people you like and improve more slowly while having more fun
u dont have to justify to anyone why u cut someone btw. if they werent fun to play with u dont have to keep playing with them, u dont have to try and convince ppl on tftv that u are in the moral right or something, u just stop playing with them and move on. if ur not super serious about improving it is totally fine to just play with people you like and improve more slowly while having more fun
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altho it is some serious copium that "invite strats dont work because the other team is too bad" lmao. optimal play doesnt suddenly become non-optimal when the other team is feeding or something, that just means your execution of the strat was bad. central mids especially are so important in the meta because they punish non-optimal plays like a poorly positioned combo incredibly hard.
altho it is some serious copium that "invite strats dont work because the other team is too bad" lmao. optimal play doesnt suddenly become non-optimal when the other team is feeding or something, that just means your execution of the strat was bad. central mids especially are so important in the meta because they punish non-optimal plays like a poorly positioned combo incredibly hard.
tl;dr for the people that just want to go to the last post in the drama; jw cut, team unhappy, jw had good google doc.
tl;dr for the people that just want to go to the last post in the drama; jw cut, team unhappy, jw had good google doc.
jetzu dont have to justify to anyone why u cut someone btw
very true but also please do
make sure u post it on the forums or via a leakable chatlog :)
[quote=jetz]u dont have to justify to anyone why u cut someone btw[/quote]
very true but also please do
make sure u post it on the forums or via a leakable chatlog :)
very true but also please do
make sure u post it on the forums or via a leakable chatlog :)
Vinsudrama
Just my 2 cents about calling and listening to calls since that seems like where you guys had a lot of conflict:
One is that, in scrims, you should ALWAYS follow your maincaller, no matter how you think the play will turn out. If you follow the call, you can determine pretty cleanly whether the call was good or bad depending on the outcome of the play.
The moment you decide to countercall, it becomes practically impossible to determine if the maincall or the countercall was responsible for the outcome of the play. The maincaller will just blame the countercaller for not following the call, and the countercaller will just say the maincall was bad.
You should really only countercall in matches where you are almost entirely certain the maincall will go badly, and its common courtesy that if things go poorly after the countercall is made that the countercaller takes the blame.
On that note, I'll also add that a good attitude to hold is that a bad maincall or countercall does not make a bad caller. Calls come from information and you can almost always attribute a bad call to a lack of information in the eyes of the caller. It's good form to be able to recognize what information your caller accidentally ignored when they make a bad call and let them know what they did not account for (super common is your maincaller calling a collapse when people are out of position/out of ammo/hurt).
Never let ego or something ridiculous like "I have more experience" influence your opinion about a call; just follow it and evaluate it based on the results. This has been your TFTV certified counseling advice on not being an idiot teammate, hope you all find team environments that work for you :)
[quote=Vinsu]drama[/quote]
Just my 2 cents about calling and listening to calls since that seems like where you guys had a lot of conflict:
One is that, in scrims, you should ALWAYS follow your maincaller, no matter how you think the play will turn out. If you follow the call, you can determine pretty cleanly whether the call was good or bad depending on the outcome of the play.
The moment you decide to countercall, it becomes practically impossible to determine if the maincall or the countercall was responsible for the outcome of the play. The maincaller will just blame the countercaller for not following the call, and the countercaller will just say the maincall was bad.
You should really only countercall in matches where you are almost entirely certain the maincall will go badly, and its common courtesy that if things go poorly after the countercall is made that the countercaller takes the blame.
On that note, I'll also add that a good attitude to hold is that a bad maincall or countercall does not make a bad caller. Calls come from information and you can almost always attribute a bad call to a lack of information in the eyes of the caller. It's good form to be able to recognize what information your caller accidentally ignored when they make a bad call and let them know what they did not account for (super common is your maincaller calling a collapse when people are out of position/out of ammo/hurt).
Never let ego or something ridiculous like "I have more experience" influence your opinion about a call; just follow it and evaluate it based on the results. This has been your TFTV certified counseling advice on not being an idiot teammate, hope you all find team environments that work for you :)
Just my 2 cents about calling and listening to calls since that seems like where you guys had a lot of conflict:
One is that, in scrims, you should ALWAYS follow your maincaller, no matter how you think the play will turn out. If you follow the call, you can determine pretty cleanly whether the call was good or bad depending on the outcome of the play.
The moment you decide to countercall, it becomes practically impossible to determine if the maincall or the countercall was responsible for the outcome of the play. The maincaller will just blame the countercaller for not following the call, and the countercaller will just say the maincall was bad.
You should really only countercall in matches where you are almost entirely certain the maincall will go badly, and its common courtesy that if things go poorly after the countercall is made that the countercaller takes the blame.
On that note, I'll also add that a good attitude to hold is that a bad maincall or countercall does not make a bad caller. Calls come from information and you can almost always attribute a bad call to a lack of information in the eyes of the caller. It's good form to be able to recognize what information your caller accidentally ignored when they make a bad call and let them know what they did not account for (super common is your maincaller calling a collapse when people are out of position/out of ammo/hurt).
Never let ego or something ridiculous like "I have more experience" influence your opinion about a call; just follow it and evaluate it based on the results. This has been your TFTV certified counseling advice on not being an idiot teammate, hope you all find team environments that work for you :)
WalrexVinsudrama
Just my 2 cents about calling and listening to calls since that seems like where you guys had a lot of conflict:
One is that, in scrims, you should ALWAYS follow your maincaller, no matter how you think the play will turn out. If you follow the call, you can determine pretty cleanly whether the call was good or bad depending on the outcome of the play.
The moment you decide to countercall, it becomes practically impossible to determine if the maincall or the countercall was responsible for the outcome of the play. The maincaller will just blame the countercaller for not following the call, and the countercaller will just say the maincall was bad.
You should really only countercall in matches where you are almost entirely certain the maincall will go badly, and its common courtesy that if things go poorly after the countercall is made that the countercaller takes the blame.
On that note, I'll also add that a good attitude to hold is that a bad maincall or countercall does not make a bad caller. Calls come from information and you can almost always attribute a bad call to a lack of information in the eyes of the caller. It's good form to be able to recognize what information your caller accidentally ignored when they make a bad call and let them know what they did not account for (super common is your maincaller calling a collapse when people are out of position/out of ammo/hurt).
Never let ego or something ridiculous like "I have more experience" influence your opinion about a call; just follow it and evaluate it based on the results. This has been your TFTV certified counseling advice on not being an idiot teammate, hope you all find team environments that work for you :)
Tldr if someone makes a bad call its actually either your fault or it's your job to fix it...
Also our results were not good
[quote=Walrex][quote=Vinsu]drama[/quote]
Just my 2 cents about calling and listening to calls since that seems like where you guys had a lot of conflict:
One is that, in scrims, you should ALWAYS follow your maincaller, no matter how you think the play will turn out. If you follow the call, you can determine pretty cleanly whether the call was good or bad depending on the outcome of the play.
The moment you decide to countercall, it becomes practically impossible to determine if the maincall or the countercall was responsible for the outcome of the play. The maincaller will just blame the countercaller for not following the call, and the countercaller will just say the maincall was bad.
You should really only countercall in matches where you are almost entirely certain the maincall will go badly, and its common courtesy that if things go poorly after the countercall is made that the countercaller takes the blame.
On that note, I'll also add that a good attitude to hold is that a bad maincall or countercall does not make a bad caller. Calls come from information and you can almost always attribute a bad call to a lack of information in the eyes of the caller. It's good form to be able to recognize what information your caller accidentally ignored when they make a bad call and let them know what they did not account for (super common is your maincaller calling a collapse when people are out of position/out of ammo/hurt).
Never let ego or something ridiculous like "I have more experience" influence your opinion about a call; just follow it and evaluate it based on the results. This has been your TFTV certified counseling advice on not being an idiot teammate, hope you all find team environments that work for you :)[/quote]
Tldr if someone makes a bad call its actually either your fault or it's your job to fix it...
Also our results were not good
Just my 2 cents about calling and listening to calls since that seems like where you guys had a lot of conflict:
One is that, in scrims, you should ALWAYS follow your maincaller, no matter how you think the play will turn out. If you follow the call, you can determine pretty cleanly whether the call was good or bad depending on the outcome of the play.
The moment you decide to countercall, it becomes practically impossible to determine if the maincall or the countercall was responsible for the outcome of the play. The maincaller will just blame the countercaller for not following the call, and the countercaller will just say the maincall was bad.
You should really only countercall in matches where you are almost entirely certain the maincall will go badly, and its common courtesy that if things go poorly after the countercall is made that the countercaller takes the blame.
On that note, I'll also add that a good attitude to hold is that a bad maincall or countercall does not make a bad caller. Calls come from information and you can almost always attribute a bad call to a lack of information in the eyes of the caller. It's good form to be able to recognize what information your caller accidentally ignored when they make a bad call and let them know what they did not account for (super common is your maincaller calling a collapse when people are out of position/out of ammo/hurt).
Never let ego or something ridiculous like "I have more experience" influence your opinion about a call; just follow it and evaluate it based on the results. This has been your TFTV certified counseling advice on not being an idiot teammate, hope you all find team environments that work for you :)[/quote]
Tldr if someone makes a bad call its actually either your fault or it's your job to fix it...
Also our results were not good
Walrex
One is that, in scrims, you should ALWAYS follow your maincaller, no matter how you think the play will turn out. If you follow the call, you can determine pretty cleanly whether the call was good or bad depending on the outcome of the play.
I agree with this and I gave your exact reasoning to the player on our team that said they will countercall if they hear something bad.
[quote=Walrex]
One is that, in scrims, you should ALWAYS follow your maincaller, no matter how you think the play will turn out. If you follow the call, you can determine pretty cleanly whether the call was good or bad depending on the outcome of the play.
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I agree with this and I gave your exact reasoning to the player on our team that said they will countercall if they hear something bad.
One is that, in scrims, you should ALWAYS follow your maincaller, no matter how you think the play will turn out. If you follow the call, you can determine pretty cleanly whether the call was good or bad depending on the outcome of the play.
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I agree with this and I gave your exact reasoning to the player on our team that said they will countercall if they hear something bad.
"Six players doing something retarded is more intelligent than three players doing something smart" -sun tzu
"Six players doing something retarded is more intelligent than three players doing something smart" -sun tzu
capnnofapn"Six players doing something retarded is more intelligent than three players doing something smart" -sun tzu
and i think he knows a little more about it than you do pal because he invented it!
[quote=capnnofapn]"Six players doing something retarded is more intelligent than three players doing something smart" -sun tzu[/quote]
and i think he knows a little more about it than you do pal because he invented it!
and i think he knows a little more about it than you do pal because he invented it!
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Hey SpaceCadet! Love the work you do on the RGL S9 Advanced - Top 10 Lists! Just curious as to why you would intentionally remove my medic (hubidashubida) from the Top 10 Heals Per Min list, and then block him (and me) on discord when we politely ask you why. Thanks!
Hey SpaceCadet! Love the work you do on the RGL S9 Advanced - Top 10 Lists! Just curious as to why you would intentionally remove my medic (hubidashubida) from the Top 10 Heals Per Min list, and then block him (and me) on discord when we politely ask you why. Thanks!
hubida gets demo reviews from a certain redacted player
hubida gets demo reviews from a certain redacted player
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