glassremember when he didn't add to pugchamp for like three years and seemed much happier
b4nny starts pugging again and froyo starts to crumble, veeeery interesting
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[quote=glass]remember when he didn't add to pugchamp for like three years and seemed much happier[/quote] b4nny starts pugging again and froyo starts to crumble, veeeery interesting
I sincerely hope he reads this thread.
When I first started playing TF2 many years ago, and knew nothing about the scene, I found it inspirational that someone could have so much passion for something relatively niche, in such a public way. That's not at all a dig at the game or anything like that. Honestly, for me, it's pretty amazing to see someone who is so entirely sure of their purpose and is willing to share that with everyone, while (probably) foregoing many other aspects of life in the process. Not a dig -- I can honestly admire that -- even if it's "only" TF2. Aside from having children, the vast majority of people will never know that kind of passion in their life, nor will they sacrifice things to share that passion with others.
b4nny is the probably the best player. More than any other player, he's probably right when he criticizes people and/or tells them what to do. Personally, I generally prefer to be on his team -- not only because I find winning to be more fun (and he seems to have a high win rate), but also because it's a chance to improve. He will generally provide feedback if you ask.
However, he really could use some improvement in understanding that not everybody has the same goals and motivations when they play. Most people like to win, and most people find winning more fun than losing -- but it is not the case for all people that "winning" is a necessary condition for all people to have fun. People can have fun when they lose. Winning is not, either, a sufficient condition for having fun -- most people (b4nny included) would agree that you can fail to have fun even if you win.
You can replace "winning" with "playing the game right", "being treated nicely", "improving", "being an asshole", etc. People play this game for a variety of reasons. In a competitive environment the stated goal of the game is to win, but the goals of the player are up to each individual involved.
b4nny seems to believe there is a social contract in pugs whereby all players agree that their main goal is to win -- logically, that's the purpose of the game, right? He seems to feel that any deviation from this, particularly if it is perceived to be intentional, is justification for him to lose his temper, berate, etc. I think he doesn't value other reasons for playing the game -- and I believe this is why he thinks he is justified in his treatment towards others. Regardless of how he defines this treatment: nice, mean, asshole, constructive... to him, it can all be justified from the lens of playing solely to win.
Crucially: While people generally have more fun winning -- and thus pick teams to win and play to win -- that is not the only thing that matters to them in a PUG environment.
b4nny to realize that the game is played in a social environment, and like any other social environment, the social contract is defined by others you are involved with at that time, and not strictly by yourself or by what is most logical. From the feedback gathered here, I sincerely hope he concludes that there are many situations where the social contract is not what he believes it to be, and that he can make an adjustment to how he interacts with others... while still being able to have fun himself.
Otherwise, honestly, it's on him to find other formats / activities / social groups where the players more or less share the same social contract (eg: matches, playoffs, etc). He should find his own happiness.
Lastly: There are some definitions, theories, etc, of what it means to be an asshole. I think it's beneficial for anyone to identify when they're an asshole, and try to change it -- even though being an asshole (or perceived as one) is not even necessarily bad (there are plenty of high functioning, successful, well-loved assholes) nor is it well defined (there's a whole sub-reddit debating scenarios). I'm well aware that I've been an asshole many, many times in my life, and in TF2 pugs TF2 Centers, etc, and I've found myself happier when catching myself rather than embracing it.
So for your consideration, here are some thoughts on assholes:
An asshole allows himself to enjoy special advantages in social relations out of an entrenched sense of entitlement that immunizes him against the complaints of other people. -- from Assholes: A Theory
and
Two tests to identify if someone is an asshole:
- After encountering the person, do people feel oppressed, humiliated or otherwise worse about themselves?
- Does the person target people who are less powerful than him/her?
There's also a list of typical behaviors:
- Insults
- Violation of personal space
- Unsolicited touching
- Threats
- Sarcasm
- Flames
- Humiliation
- Shaming
- Interruption
- Backbiting
- Glaring
- Snubbing
From The No Asshole Rule
I sincerely hope he reads this thread.
When I first started playing TF2 many years ago, and knew nothing about the scene, I found it inspirational that someone could have so much passion for something relatively niche, in such a public way. That's not at all a dig at the game or anything like that. Honestly, for me, it's pretty amazing to see someone who is so entirely sure of their purpose and is willing to share that with everyone, while (probably) foregoing many other aspects of life in the process. Not a dig -- I can honestly admire that -- even if it's "only" TF2. Aside from having children, the vast majority of people will never know that kind of passion in their life, nor will they sacrifice things to share that passion with others.
b4nny is the probably the best player. More than any other player, he's probably right when he criticizes people and/or tells them what to do. Personally, I generally prefer to be on his team -- not only because I find winning to be more fun (and he seems to have a high win rate), but also because it's a chance to improve. He will generally provide feedback if you ask.
However, he really could use some improvement in understanding that not everybody has the same goals and motivations when they play. Most people like to win, and most people find winning more fun than losing -- but it is not the case for all people that "winning" is a necessary condition for all people to have fun. People can have fun when they lose. Winning is not, either, a sufficient condition for having fun -- most people (b4nny included) would agree that you can fail to have fun even if you win.
You can replace "winning" with "playing the game right", "being treated nicely", "improving", "being an asshole", etc. People play this game for a variety of reasons. In a competitive environment the stated goal of the game is to win, but the goals of the player are up to each individual involved.
b4nny seems to believe there is a social contract in pugs whereby all players agree that their main goal is to win -- logically, that's the purpose of the game, right? He seems to feel that any deviation from this, particularly if it is perceived to be intentional, is justification for him to lose his temper, berate, etc. I think he doesn't value other reasons for playing the game -- and I believe this is why he thinks he is justified in his treatment towards others. Regardless of how he defines this treatment: nice, mean, asshole, constructive... to him, it can all be justified from the lens of playing solely to win.
Crucially: While people generally have more fun winning -- and thus pick teams to win and play to win -- that is not the only thing that matters to them in a PUG environment.
b4nny to realize that the game is played in a social environment, and like any other social environment, the social contract is defined by others you are involved with at that time, and not strictly by yourself or by what is most logical. From the feedback gathered here, I sincerely hope he concludes that there are many situations where the social contract is not what he believes it to be, and that he can make an adjustment to how he interacts with others... while still being able to have fun himself.
Otherwise, honestly, it's on him to find other formats / activities / social groups where the players more or less share the same social contract (eg: matches, playoffs, etc). He should find his own happiness.
Lastly: There are some definitions, theories, etc, of what it means to be an asshole. I think it's beneficial for anyone to identify when they're an asshole, and try to change it -- even though being an asshole (or perceived as one) is not even necessarily bad (there are plenty of high functioning, successful, well-loved assholes) nor is it well defined (there's a whole sub-reddit debating scenarios). I'm well aware that I've been an asshole many, many times in my life, and in TF2 pugs TF2 Centers, etc, and I've found myself happier when catching myself rather than embracing it.
So for your consideration, here are some thoughts on assholes:
[quote]An asshole allows himself to enjoy special advantages in social relations out of an entrenched sense of entitlement that immunizes him against the complaints of other people. -- from [url=https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Assholes:_A_Theory]Assholes: A Theory[/url][/quote]
and
[quote]
Two tests to identify if someone is an asshole:
[olist]
[*] After encountering the person, do people feel oppressed, humiliated or otherwise worse about themselves?
[*] Does the person target people who are less powerful than him/her?
[/olist]
There's also a list of typical behaviors:
[olist]
[*] Insults
[*] Violation of personal space
[*] Unsolicited touching
[*] Threats
[*] Sarcasm
[*] Flames
[*] Humiliation
[*] Shaming
[*] Interruption
[*] Backbiting
[*] Glaring
[*] Snubbing
[/olist]
From [url=https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_No_Asshole_Rule]The No Asshole Rule[/url]
[/quote]
When I first started playing TF2 many years ago, and knew nothing about the scene, I found it inspirational that someone could have so much passion for something relatively niche, in such a public way. That's not at all a dig at the game or anything like that. Honestly, for me, it's pretty amazing to see someone who is so entirely sure of their purpose and is willing to share that with everyone, while (probably) foregoing many other aspects of life in the process. Not a dig -- I can honestly admire that -- even if it's "only" TF2. Aside from having children, the vast majority of people will never know that kind of passion in their life, nor will they sacrifice things to share that passion with others.
b4nny is the probably the best player. More than any other player, he's probably right when he criticizes people and/or tells them what to do. Personally, I generally prefer to be on his team -- not only because I find winning to be more fun (and he seems to have a high win rate), but also because it's a chance to improve. He will generally provide feedback if you ask.
However, he really could use some improvement in understanding that not everybody has the same goals and motivations when they play. Most people like to win, and most people find winning more fun than losing -- but it is not the case for all people that "winning" is a necessary condition for all people to have fun. People can have fun when they lose. Winning is not, either, a sufficient condition for having fun -- most people (b4nny included) would agree that you can fail to have fun even if you win.
You can replace "winning" with "playing the game right", "being treated nicely", "improving", "being an asshole", etc. People play this game for a variety of reasons. In a competitive environment the stated goal of the game is to win, but the goals of the player are up to each individual involved.
b4nny seems to believe there is a social contract in pugs whereby all players agree that their main goal is to win -- logically, that's the purpose of the game, right? He seems to feel that any deviation from this, particularly if it is perceived to be intentional, is justification for him to lose his temper, berate, etc. I think he doesn't value other reasons for playing the game -- and I believe this is why he thinks he is justified in his treatment towards others. Regardless of how he defines this treatment: nice, mean, asshole, constructive... to him, it can all be justified from the lens of playing solely to win.
Crucially: While people generally have more fun winning -- and thus pick teams to win and play to win -- that is not the only thing that matters to them in a PUG environment.
b4nny to realize that the game is played in a social environment, and like any other social environment, the social contract is defined by others you are involved with at that time, and not strictly by yourself or by what is most logical. From the feedback gathered here, I sincerely hope he concludes that there are many situations where the social contract is not what he believes it to be, and that he can make an adjustment to how he interacts with others... while still being able to have fun himself.
Otherwise, honestly, it's on him to find other formats / activities / social groups where the players more or less share the same social contract (eg: matches, playoffs, etc). He should find his own happiness.
Lastly: There are some definitions, theories, etc, of what it means to be an asshole. I think it's beneficial for anyone to identify when they're an asshole, and try to change it -- even though being an asshole (or perceived as one) is not even necessarily bad (there are plenty of high functioning, successful, well-loved assholes) nor is it well defined (there's a whole sub-reddit debating scenarios). I'm well aware that I've been an asshole many, many times in my life, and in TF2 pugs TF2 Centers, etc, and I've found myself happier when catching myself rather than embracing it.
So for your consideration, here are some thoughts on assholes:
[quote]An asshole allows himself to enjoy special advantages in social relations out of an entrenched sense of entitlement that immunizes him against the complaints of other people. -- from [url=https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Assholes:_A_Theory]Assholes: A Theory[/url][/quote]
and
[quote]
Two tests to identify if someone is an asshole:
[olist]
[*] After encountering the person, do people feel oppressed, humiliated or otherwise worse about themselves?
[*] Does the person target people who are less powerful than him/her?
[/olist]
There's also a list of typical behaviors:
[olist]
[*] Insults
[*] Violation of personal space
[*] Unsolicited touching
[*] Threats
[*] Sarcasm
[*] Flames
[*] Humiliation
[*] Shaming
[*] Interruption
[*] Backbiting
[*] Glaring
[*] Snubbing
[/olist]
From [url=https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_No_Asshole_Rule]The No Asshole Rule[/url]
[/quote]
I just remember playing pugchamp and not first picking b4nny and people would said I was crazy, but I just picked good players who were fun to play with and we usually won, and if we didn't it was okay because we still had fun, but he doesn't play for fun...ever. In the end it's a game, not a lan final so his treatment of others is just sad to see because everyone makes mistakes. The worst part is when he makes a mistake, which in his eyes is never, and he just blames anyone else. Like bro, you're tilted off the earth, probably not playing at your best.
I just remember playing pugchamp and not first picking b4nny and people would said I was crazy, but I just picked good players who were fun to play with and we usually won, and if we didn't it was okay because we still had fun, but he doesn't play for fun...ever. In the end it's a game, not a lan final so his treatment of others is just sad to see because everyone makes mistakes. The worst part is when he makes a mistake, which in his eyes is never, and he just blames anyone else. Like bro, you're tilted off the earth, probably not playing at your best.
insombut he doesn't play for fun...ever. In the end it's a game, not a lan final so his treatment of others is just sad to see because everyone makes mistakes.
I think the reality is that, for him, winning or at least playing with/against everyone else at the very best of their abilities, is required for him to have fun. That's not bad, and it's the case with a lot (most, actually) highly competitive players. The problem is that in pugs he feels entitled to that environment and reacts poorly when it's not realized.
For me, the PugChamp days were the golden era of TF2
[quote=insom]but he doesn't play for fun...ever. In the end it's a game, not a lan final so his treatment of others is just sad to see because everyone makes mistakes.[/quote]
I think the reality is that, for him, winning or at least playing with/against everyone else at the very best of their abilities, is required for him to have fun. That's not bad, and it's the case with a lot (most, actually) highly competitive players. The problem is that in pugs he feels entitled to that environment and reacts poorly when it's not realized.
For me, the PugChamp days were the golden era of TF2
I think the reality is that, for him, winning or at least playing with/against everyone else at the very best of their abilities, is required for him to have fun. That's not bad, and it's the case with a lot (most, actually) highly competitive players. The problem is that in pugs he feels entitled to that environment and reacts poorly when it's not realized.
For me, the PugChamp days were the golden era of TF2
He just have his chakras blocked. Needs some cleansing/detox
He just have his chakras blocked. Needs some cleansing/detox
ElenaManettaTo play devil's advocate
do u guys know a more iconic duo
[quote=ElenaManetta]To play devil's advocate[/quote]
do u guys know a more iconic duo
do u guys know a more iconic duo
RicharrrrdElenaManettaTo play devil's advocate
do u guys know a more iconic duo
Della and the fat kid channel
[quote=Richarrrrd][quote=ElenaManetta]To play devil's advocate[/quote]
do u guys know a more iconic duo[/quote]
Della and the fat kid channel
do u guys know a more iconic duo[/quote]
Della and the fat kid channel
The better you are at TF2, the more leeway you get for behavior in the community. I'm not saying it's right, but it's what happens.
The better you are at TF2, the more leeway you get for behavior in the community. I'm not saying it's right, but it's what happens.
lol im pretty sure he's the type of guy to read this thread and just have his ego inflate even more. top level players are absolutely pathetic to put up with this type of abuse. i was honestly relieved to hear that all of froyo quit on him this last season, because it makes me feel insane hearing people talk about how tf2 will never be an esport or whatever, but then in the next breath trying to justify putting up with his unhinged rants just because He Can Win The Game For Me.
Next we should have a discussion on the psychology of the hundreds people who watch his stream. Are they all children who feel validated by watching a grown man throw the same kind of tantrums they do? Or is it like an Eric Andre Show effect, with voyeurs who just think it's funny watching an utter trainwreck? How anyone can listen to a word he says without cringing out of their skin?
anyway i think the peak of my tf2 career was captaining a pugchamp team and then beating banny, surely nothing else in my life will ever be so meaningful :)
lol im pretty sure he's the type of guy to read this thread and just have his ego inflate even more. top level players are absolutely pathetic to put up with this type of abuse. i was honestly relieved to hear that all of froyo quit on him this last season, because it makes me feel insane hearing people talk about how tf2 will never be an esport or whatever, but then in the next breath trying to justify putting up with his unhinged rants just because He Can Win The Game For Me.
Next we should have a discussion on the psychology of the hundreds people who watch his stream. Are they all children who feel validated by watching a grown man throw the same kind of tantrums they do? Or is it like an Eric Andre Show effect, with voyeurs who just think it's funny watching an utter trainwreck? How anyone can listen to a word he says without cringing out of their skin?
anyway i think the peak of my tf2 career was captaining a pugchamp team and then beating banny, surely nothing else in my life will ever be so meaningful :)
Next we should have a discussion on the psychology of the hundreds people who watch his stream. Are they all children who feel validated by watching a grown man throw the same kind of tantrums they do? Or is it like an Eric Andre Show effect, with voyeurs who just think it's funny watching an utter trainwreck? How anyone can listen to a word he says without cringing out of their skin?
anyway i think the peak of my tf2 career was captaining a pugchamp team and then beating banny, surely nothing else in my life will ever be so meaningful :)
MenachemAre they all children who feel validated by watching a grown man throw the same kind of tantrums they do?
Yes
Menachemtop level players are absolutely pathetic to put up with this type of abuse
And yeah that's something I've always struggled to understand. These people have been letting a man-child insult them and treat them like shit every night for years, I really don't get how you would let yourself be disrespected like that for thousands of hours lol, absolutely baffling
[quote=Menachem]Are they all children who feel validated by watching a grown man throw the same kind of tantrums they do?[/quote]
Yes
[quote=Menachem]top level players are absolutely pathetic to put up with this type of abuse[/quote]
And yeah that's something I've always struggled to understand. These people have been letting a man-child insult them and treat them like shit every night for years, I really don't get how you would let yourself be disrespected like that for thousands of hours lol, absolutely baffling
Yes
[quote=Menachem]top level players are absolutely pathetic to put up with this type of abuse[/quote]
And yeah that's something I've always struggled to understand. These people have been letting a man-child insult them and treat them like shit every night for years, I really don't get how you would let yourself be disrespected like that for thousands of hours lol, absolutely baffling
at some point people malding/complaining in pugs just gets funny to you. only time i take any sort of thing seriously is when its from an actual teammate
at some point people malding/complaining in pugs just gets funny to you. only time i take any sort of thing seriously is when its from an actual teammate
once he understands that being kinder to players when they make mistakes will make him actually win more pugs, then that might make him do it. we have to speak his language: winning
once he understands that being kinder to players when they make mistakes will make him actually win more pugs, then that might make him do it. we have to speak his language: winning
tommyonce he understands that being kinder to players when they make mistakes will make him actually win more pugs, then that might make him do it. we have to speak his language: winning
if hes unable to respect his teammates out of common decency instead of just wanting to win then he shouldn't be allowed to pug regardless
[quote=tommy]once he understands that being kinder to players when they make mistakes will make him actually win more pugs, then that might make him do it. we have to speak his language: winning[/quote]
if hes unable to respect his teammates out of common decency instead of just wanting to win then he shouldn't be allowed to pug regardless
if hes unable to respect his teammates out of common decency instead of just wanting to win then he shouldn't be allowed to pug regardless
That was painful to watch. A whole hour of arguing and b4nny still doesn't understand there's a middle ground between being a toxic asshole and being a silent bystander. He tells charis not to take things personally, even after directly calling him a "fucking retard". By the end of the video, he's still clearly missed the entire point of the discussion and just wants to play another pug.
That was painful to watch. A whole hour of arguing and b4nny still doesn't understand there's a middle ground between being a toxic asshole and being a silent bystander. He tells charis not to take things personally, even after directly calling him a "fucking retard". By the end of the video, he's still clearly missed the entire point of the discussion and just wants to play another pug.
MenachemNext we should have a discussion on the psychology of the hundreds people who watch his stream. Are they all children who feel validated by watching a grown man throw the same kind of tantrums they do? Or is it like an Eric Andre Show effect, with voyeurs who just think it's funny watching an utter trainwreck? How anyone can listen to a word he says without cringing out of their skin?
watching b4nny mald off the face of the earth is sincerely some of the funniest shit
it gets old after a bit but i love tuning in once and a while and laughing my ass off because he can't possibly comprehend that something silly happened in the video game for 3+ straight hours
[quote=Menachem]Next we should have a discussion on the psychology of the hundreds people who watch his stream. Are they all children who feel validated by watching a grown man throw the same kind of tantrums they do? Or is it like an Eric Andre Show effect, with voyeurs who just think it's funny watching an utter trainwreck? How anyone can listen to a word he says without cringing out of their skin?[/quote]
watching b4nny mald off the face of the earth is sincerely some of the funniest shit
it gets old after a bit but i love tuning in once and a while and laughing my ass off because he can't possibly comprehend that something silly happened in the video game for 3+ straight hours
watching b4nny mald off the face of the earth is sincerely some of the funniest shit
it gets old after a bit but i love tuning in once and a while and laughing my ass off because he can't possibly comprehend that something silly happened in the video game for 3+ straight hours
downvote if you think I should get unbanned from pughub
downvote if you think I should get unbanned from pughub
QLIQdownvote if you think I should get unbanned from pughub
god damn dudes out here upvoting me even tho that's the last thing they want to do just to keep their pockets lined full of straight cash compliments of the pughub ceo
[quote=QLIQ]downvote if you think I should get unbanned from pughub[/quote]
god damn dudes out here upvoting me even tho that's the last thing they want to do just to keep their pockets lined full of straight cash compliments of the pughub ceo
god damn dudes out here upvoting me even tho that's the last thing they want to do just to keep their pockets lined full of straight cash compliments of the pughub ceo
yo seriously does no one ever want to see me playing in invite? it would be cool
yo seriously does no one ever want to see me playing in invite? it would be cool
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you guys r a bunch of haters
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you guys r a bunch of haters
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you guys r a bunch of haters
rickrigatonib4nny alt to derail thread
r u gay
[quote=rickrigatoni]b4nny alt to derail thread[/quote]
r u gay
r u gay
QLIQrickrigatonib4nny alt to derail threadr u gay
o.0
[quote=QLIQ][quote=rickrigatoni]b4nny alt to derail thread[/quote]
r u gay[/quote]
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r u gay[/quote]
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maidQLIQo.0rickrigatonib4nny alt to derail threadr u gay
if you dont know by now the crytpnite to b4nny is teng, ez gg fuck yourr gay thread
[quote=maid][quote=QLIQ][quote=rickrigatoni]b4nny alt to derail thread[/quote]
r u gay[/quote]
o.0[/quote]
if you dont know by now the crytpnite to b4nny is teng, ez gg fuck yourr gay thread
r u gay[/quote]
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if you dont know by now the crytpnite to b4nny is teng, ez gg fuck yourr gay thread
these mfers just wanna see me streamin
upvote if you want me to stream
these mfers just wanna see me streamin
upvote if you want me to stream
upvote if you want me to stream
this thread is gay, idolize your stupid tf2 player
this thread is gay, idolize your stupid tf2 player
rktGOD Keep in mind that b4nny has devoted his life to winning FOREVER in TF2 and that's why he wants to win so bad even if it's just a pug that doesn't matter at the end of the day.
I feel like that's saying it'd be justifiable for Tom Brady to be coaching/ playing in a high school football teams practice and then cursing out a receiver for not catching one of his passes because he's just so passionate about football. Idk is being considered one of the best players in the world and at least achievement wise being at the top not enough? You have to win every pug or you just tilt into oblivion and act like an asshole? It's still a shitty mindset to have no matter how you look at it.
[quote=rktGOD] Keep in mind that b4nny has devoted his life to winning FOREVER in TF2 and that's why he wants to win so bad even if it's just a pug that doesn't matter at the end of the day.[/quote]
I feel like that's saying it'd be justifiable for Tom Brady to be coaching/ playing in a high school football teams practice and then cursing out a receiver for not catching one of his passes because he's just so passionate about football. Idk is being considered one of the best players in the world and at least achievement wise being at the top not enough? You have to win every pug or you just tilt into oblivion and act like an asshole? It's still a shitty mindset to have no matter how you look at it.
I feel like that's saying it'd be justifiable for Tom Brady to be coaching/ playing in a high school football teams practice and then cursing out a receiver for not catching one of his passes because he's just so passionate about football. Idk is being considered one of the best players in the world and at least achievement wise being at the top not enough? You have to win every pug or you just tilt into oblivion and act like an asshole? It's still a shitty mindset to have no matter how you look at it.
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