good video in general but the part you guys are interested in is at the end (20:33)
[youtube]https://youtu.be/WJe-6x3Jl8M[/youtube]
it's gonna be fun for me to watch both casual and hard stuck comp players react to that
the whole point of the 6s "meta" is that its the most effective lineup in terms of a time-performance ratio
if you wanna make something like demoknight work its probably gonna take 3 or 4 times as much playtime to get even a comparable ammount of value out of compared to regular demo
you could probably play full time pyro in a lower div too, but if you invested the same amount of time into scout or soldier you'd be a far better player way faster
if you wanna make something like demoknight work its probably gonna take 3 or 4 times as much playtime to get even a comparable ammount of value out of compared to regular demo
you could probably play full time pyro in a lower div too, but if you invested the same amount of time into scout or soldier you'd be a far better player way faster
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The intent is not to prove Demoknight is the new meta (unless Odin happens to win Prem but I SEVERELY doubt). I'm on your side for the most part.
The video tries to prove that comp tf2 is a place where you go to have fun with 5 friends, and not a place "where fun goes to die" (as put by one extremely unhinged pubber I saw). Playing Demoknight is just my method because I suck with stickies and unironically do better with the sword. People are gonna go in with the expectation that it's cringe and stupid and leave after seeing the positive side of things.
I won't spoil too much regarding the "truth nuke" but it's not going to be a schizo rant about how comp tf2 ruined casual play by *checks notes* nerfing OP unlocks into ok/meh unlocks that are still perfectly fine
The video tries to prove that comp tf2 is a place where you go to have fun with 5 friends, and not a place "where fun goes to die" (as put by one extremely unhinged pubber I saw). Playing Demoknight is just my method because I suck with stickies and unironically do better with the sword. People are gonna go in with the expectation that it's cringe and stupid and leave after seeing the positive side of things.
I won't spoil too much regarding the "truth nuke" but it's not going to be a schizo rant about how comp tf2 ruined casual play by *checks notes* nerfing OP unlocks into ok/meh unlocks that are still perfectly fine
ppl got to realize when solarlight says truth nuke about 6s he's talking to pubbers who think that the average 6s player is a member of a satanic child eating cabal who want to shoot dead engineer players in the street
springrollsppl got to realize when solarlight says truth nuke about 6s he's talking to pubbers who think that the average 6s player is a member of a satanic child eating cabal who want to shoot dead engineer players in the street
wait, you guys aren't?
wait, you guys aren't?
I haven’t read the thread yet but I do wanna mention that he got 15k views in under a hour when the video was posted
edited/ I’m just gunna run piss sniper all game for a season in invite and see what happens.
edited/ I’m just gunna run piss sniper all game for a season in invite and see what happens.
springrollsppl got to realize when solarlight says truth nuke about 6s he's talking to pubbers who think that the average 6s player is a member of a satanic child eating cabal who want to shoot dead engineer players in the street
Satanism and child eating is a bit much, but hear me out about that last thing;
Satanism and child eating is a bit much, but hear me out about that last thing;
Praise the dark lord! Hey carpet, do you like your child seasoned, or grilled?
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A defense of the comp scene is always appreciated but people forget that most of the casual tf2 playerbase is filled with people who don't even "play" the game
https://i.imgur.com/1OSJUFM.png
as you can discern from the above graph (even if it is a bit outdated) the absolute majority of tf2 players are found in gamemodes not included in the base game (only 25% actually play the game & even among them most are found in 24/7 2fort as seen by the ctf portion), and this is not surprising considering how tf2 was marketed by valve ("Hat themed simulator")
most players treat tf2 as a free version of gmod more than a multiplayer first person shooter and as such they bemoan the existence of competitive gaming in general, let alone competitive tf2.
Tangentially, this is also why any discussion of game balance is also completely useless as how they view game balance is fundamentally different to how we or even the players who play pub tf2 view game balance.
hope the video comes out great however and it leads to changed minds
[img]https://i.imgur.com/1OSJUFM.png[/img]
as you can discern from the above graph (even if it is a bit outdated) the absolute majority of tf2 players are found in gamemodes not included in the base game (only 25% actually play the game & even among them most are found in 24/7 2fort as seen by the ctf portion), and this is not surprising considering how tf2 was marketed by valve ("Hat themed simulator")
most players treat tf2 as a free version of gmod more than a multiplayer first person shooter and as such they bemoan the existence of competitive gaming in general, let alone competitive tf2.
Tangentially, this is also why any discussion of game balance is also completely useless as how they view game balance is fundamentally different to how we or even the players who play pub tf2 view game balance.
hope the video comes out great however and it leads to changed minds
Spe0as you can discern from the above graph (even if it is a bit outdated) the absolute majority of tf2 players are found in gamemodes not included in the base game
This is actually very enlightening and explains a lot. Thanks. Might be something I can point out...
Edit: These are community servers only, right?
This is actually very enlightening and explains a lot. Thanks. Might be something I can point out...
Edit: These are community servers only, right?
why would someone who only plays jailbreak or trade servers care about competitive players at all? i get why pubbers might see competitive as a toxic perverse version of the game they like but if im a 24/7 jailbreak or surf player i would not gaf about either pubs or 6s
brodywhy would someone who only plays jailbreak or trade servers care about competitive players at all? i get why pubbers might see competitive as a toxic perverse version of the game they like but if im a 24/7 jailbreak or surf player i would not gaf about either pubs or 6s
They don’t. They don’t interact with the base game in any capacity, and so they have nothing to speak about.
The minority is oftentimes the most vocal in this community. I’d like to imagine the distribution has changed since the graphic was initially created, but it’s still the same group of people who complain on behalf of everybody.
The minority is oftentimes the most vocal in this community. I’d like to imagine the distribution has changed since the graphic was initially created, but it’s still the same group of people who complain on behalf of everybody.
Zestyspringrollsppl got to realize when solarlight says truth nuke about 6s he's talking to pubbers who think that the average 6s player is a member of a satanic child eating cabal who want to shoot dead engineer players in the street
Satanism and child eating is a bit much, but hear me out about that last thing;
Satanism and child eating is a bit much, but hear me out about that last thing;[/quote]
[img]https://i.imgur.com/xLHw2sg.png[/img]
SolarLightSpe0as you can discern from the above graph (even if it is a bit outdated) the absolute majority of tf2 players are found in gamemodes not included in the base game
This is actually very enlightening and explains a lot. Thanks. Might be something I can point out...
Edit: These are community servers only, right?
you're right, i somehow missed the title that clearly states its community servers only so i decided look more into it.
The graph comes from this reddit thread.
and the following is a distribution of players in Casual only
https://i.imgur.com/jaKjkyA.png
while its not as bleak as my previous comment suggests, the picture painted here isn't very rosy either.
after some very rough maths, i found that a whopping 36% of total players(Community + Casual) are playing the base gamemodes not counting ctf because why would we considering we all know its mostly people dicking around in 2fort and turbine, and this is factoring in a/d and plr which again as we know is mostly people dicking around in dustbowl and hightower.
but then again, these stats are from 2017 so things might be quite different now.
One interesting thing i noticed was that the amount of players in community servers was higher than in valve servers (max of 20k vs 17k) which might not be the case anymore.
teamwork.tf actually posted stats for march of 2017 here which doesn't really look all that different from the jan one but i wonder if they were able to post some newer ones just to see if things are still the same.
Overall I think my point about the general casual tf2 playerbase treating the game as Gmod-Free version is quite accurate
This is actually very enlightening and explains a lot. Thanks. Might be something I can point out...
Edit: These are community servers only, right?[/quote]
you're right, i somehow missed the title that clearly states its community servers only so i decided look more into it.
The graph comes from [url=https://www.reddit.com/r/truetf2/comments/5q2i6b/player_distribution_over_gamemode_on_community/]this[/url] reddit thread.
and the following is a distribution of players in Casual only
[img]https://i.imgur.com/jaKjkyA.png[/img]
while its not as bleak as my previous comment suggests, the picture painted here isn't very rosy either.
after some very rough maths, i found that a whopping 36% of total players(Community + Casual) are playing the base gamemodes not counting ctf because why would we considering we all know its mostly people dicking around in 2fort and turbine, and this is factoring in a/d and plr which again as we know is mostly people dicking around in dustbowl and hightower.
but then again, these stats are from 2017 so things might be quite different now.
One interesting thing i noticed was that the amount of players in community servers was higher than in valve servers (max of 20k vs 17k) which might not be the case anymore.
teamwork.tf actually posted stats for march of 2017 [url=https://www.teamfortress.tv/40926/player-distribution-in-tf2-over-map-gamemode]here [/url] which doesn't really look all that different from the jan one but i wonder if they were able to post some newer ones just to see if things are still the same.
Overall I think my point about the general casual tf2 playerbase treating the game as Gmod-Free version is quite accurate