The printer press on deals aren't very expensive - you could just make a series of promo press ons with instructions on how to print them out maybe so people could wear their support anyways since they seem to like them without costing the fundraiser anything beyond the time of whoever it is that will figure out if they actually print out correctly.

Great videos btws :p

I'm donating when I'm done working in the lab, but if these shirts were a perk, I would definitely up my donation to get me one.

Or if you sell them separately (Or as a thing in Seanbud's Charity), I would definitely pick one up then too

tried watching it but I got an ad

...over here

Yeah, enigma knows there's a good demand for shirts, but it's just logistically too much for now. Later? Probably. :)

+1 to the notion that good shirts ain't cheap.

I'm not even a comp player and def. won't be playing, but I'm so looking forward to see you guys in person @i49. Sal, Lange - all your drinks will go on me :)

cu@lan!

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i like your video
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why don't you go to esea lan and cuddle with sean bud :(

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Ye it's a shitty situation.

The bit that bothers me most is that Multiplay's main reason for going with VTV is they have a history with them, when in reality it's actually just been me and comedian doing literally everything except casting. Arx and beta are the guys heading it up for VTV from what I can gather, best of luck to them, but even they themselves know they can't pull off anywhere near the quality we can. Unless someone in VTV has recently spent some real time learning about audio gear, video, and graphics, I would imagine it'll just be VTV's standard level of online coverage with a webcam on the screen (which isn't bad, it's just not what it could be). Assuming we got it, I was going to ask them if they wanted to cast and leave the offer open to them even if they said no.

:( sorry lange

It's unfortunate that tf.tv won't be properly represented at i49, but we can still send a NA team to teach the euros how to play TF2 (again).

He's not even exaggerating. I can remember Comedian's huge set of audio equipment, Skyride setting up so much... erm... everything whilst both chatting with my stupid self about what they're doing and shit. Legends.

Also shame Lange / tf.tv isn't coming. I know a lot of euros including myself would have preferred it the other way.

i'd donate if they would guarantee shirts with lange's face on it and/or other members of the tftv crew to be given to the teams going, gotta atleast make it in [shirt] spirit!

So why are VTV and TFTV competing over this again? Competing over casting the same matches online is passable, but this strikes me as something VTV really should have let TFTV have for the sake of quality purposes. While competition is a good thing in most cases, I'm not so sure I understand the need to have both VTV and TFTV anyway.

But, that won't change anytime soon it looks like. All well - if TFTV sets up online coverage I will definitely watch that over VTV's. Any plans to do so in light of this news?

skyride. First of all, a big part of Comedian's setup was paid for by VanillaTV, which you know.

Secondly, your constant bashing of Vanilla is getting slightly out of hand - im noticing it more and more recently, and it's doing neither TF.tv nor VTV any good - and aren't we both working towards the same goals, more promotion of the game we love to watch/play?

Thirdly, at i46 there were stage sound issues that you refused to listen to solutions on, and preferred to leave it till the Sunday to actually try the suggestions that were offered (which actually ended up fixing the problems).

To answer your query about the coverage being dire, we have people within VanillaTV who work with audio as you know, and we'll have a tech team there as well, to ensure a decent level of quality.

People saying that they'll watch TF.tv online coverage over on site coverage - you know that this means that Multiplay will probably be disinclined to support TF2 in future due to the numbers not being there right? If you wanna risk that over the sake of a simple pissing contest, then fine.

I have zero issues with TF.tv personally, and most of you know that I have both streams open when theres a match casted by both, to ensure that TF2 gets the viewers it deserves, but please, don't start bitching about how crap our lan coverage is until you actually see it!

VTV aren't willing to merge and become part of TFTV, and they want to do i49 like they have done the other lans. Fair enough, until you look at the bigger picture and realise that TFTV can offer so much more, and with a big event like this it's really important that the coverage is as professional as possible. There was an opportunity to make i49 a truly epic lan for spectators and I think it just disappeared.

VTV should definitely let TFTV take i49 but with the proviso that VTV's casters are used as well. VTV have nothing to offer other than that have they?

EDIT: In reply to Trell, we have seen vtv coverage of lans, multiple times, when you had a better team. It's not enough to do a big lan like this justice.

And maybe multiplay will realise when TFTV have bigger viewer numbers that they backed the wrong org...

Please tf.tv still cast... Arx and Beta are the most tedious casters in the game.

Ok, so when it comes to onsite casting of i-series, it bassically comes down to me and Comedian. We plan everything months in advance, we work the interviews that will happen, we organise the casters and the times they're available, all the professional audio gear, the custom graphics, etc. Everything.

Comedian did it by himself at i43, I helped out at i45, and i46 was a joint effort. There was pretty much no input from anyone else in VTV on the matter. We did it all and didn't have a problem with that.

So i46 was a bit of a mess with audio. Just us being a little inexperienced, but we had all the issues solved by Saturday evening and we could go build that same setup right now for i49 with everything working perfectly and tested in time for the first group games. We really had some major issues with the rulings byte made at i46 (namely, playing in the tournament when we needed a caster, apparently coming 6th place with a mix team was more important), along with Trell literally not doing a single thing (when we REALLY needed someone writing articles) except playing Dota 2 and moaning at us periodically about things that were like number #1248534 on the list of priorities a couple of times a day. Soon as the finals roll round, Byte is there being the face of VTV taking 110% of the credit.

So after the whole mess with the eXtv guys leaving and possibly setting up a VTV NA, I just couldn't be arsed working in such a toxic enviroment and left officially in January. A few weeks later I hear word of TFTV EU starting up, and agree to help out a bit.

After being repeatedly fucked around, Comedian had enough too and decided to leave and join TFTV officially so we could do i49 together. The important thing to note here, assuming a few of the casters we were still friendly with agreed to come cast for us at i49, it would have been literally the same people doing the same sort of production as all previous i-series events, except with tftv logos instead of vtv logos.

Instead what we now have is a group of people who don't know anything about audio (nor actually own any decent audio gear to use even if they did), know nothing about streaming beyond what your average person on the tf.tv stream list knows, and don't appreciate the logistical challenge of building storylines, getting interviews and keeping viewers up to date with what's going on.

I'm sure they'll pull together something alright, but I know that I and everyone else involved with this bid will be looking at the stream all weekend thinking "fuck, we could have done this sooo much better".

Anyway, incoherent rant over.

You really need to calm down, skyride.

Speaking personally, I made it perfectly clear I was NOT coming as part of staff for i46, and thats why I didn't have a free ticket, food, or accommodation paid for.

I'm not gonna post here anymore cos it's like talking to a brick wall. I apologise for clogging the forums up with this rubbish.

Trell, we tried to speak to Byte about sorting out some issues. He told us, to paraphrase, "there is no point because people in this org won't want to with TFTV".

Your issue being that the speakers had to be turned down for the crowd sat irl at the event (which btw was only a problem because byte didn't organise speakers from multiplay despite us asking about it on numerous occasions several weeks in advance). On the other hand, we were too busy trying to make sure everything was perfect for the ~3k viewers on stream. Any reasonable person can agree which takes priority there.

Putting that aside from a moment, you - the deputy manager of VanillaTV and main writer at the time - sat and played Dota all weekend and did absolutely diddly shit. I'm not a big fan of the "i'm doing it you're not so stfu" line of reasoning, but it's best not to throw stones in glass houses.

Who? Is there some elite group of people I'm entirely unaware of that have just magically appeared in TF2 in the last week? The only person in VTV who knows anything about live production is atmo, but it's far too big of a job for one man.

No it just means they'd be much more inclined to go with TFTV at future events.

And by your LAN coverage, you mean our lan coverage.

For a quick sample of VanillaTV's LAN coverage, feel free to check out the i48 vods.

Edit: Trell I am annoyed. I am really, really annoyed. I'm pissed off that I've spent the last 6 weeks taking notes on how other tournaments do production, drafting up costings for equipment, planning fundraisers, content schedules, staff, all of that, has been totally railroaded because someone else put their name on my work. Fuck, I'm sitting in a hotel room in Stockholm right now about to head off to a LAN, partly so we would have had some backstory and interesting content from the minute we were live.

Multiplay chose VTV like 90% based on the quality of previous i-series events, and the people primarily responsible for that are no longer part of the organisation.

Airing your dirty laundry in public makes you all look like a bunch of fucking children and does none of you any good, TF.TV or VTV. Man the hell up and at least attempt to conduct yourself in a professional manner, if that is indeed what you want to be seen as, professionals. Right now it all looks like amateur hour and it reflects badly on the community as a whole.

Amen Brother

Cheers

Byte

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Entertaining arguments but this thread needs more LAN threats. Skyride vs Trell at LAN, one weapon each in the form of a computer peripheral, fight to the death.

Going to refrain as much as possible from participating in this 'discussion' as it's pointless and unprofessional, but there's one thing that I have to say.

The VanillaTV organisation were originally discussing how we could workout a partnership with TeamFortressTV to provide the best possible coverage for what is expected to be one of the biggest, if not THE biggest Team Fortress competition to date. But before we could even approach you guys, we get an email from Multiplay telling us how you've decided to speak to Multiplay directly to try and get the contract for coverage away from us, instead of trying to work with us. So naturally we put forward our own pitch, and Multiplay made their decision.

Stop acting like you guys are 12 years old. It probably wasn´t the best choice to pick VTV over TFTV.
no offense to anyone on VTV but tftv has so much more quality at this moment and is still growing. Multiplay picked VTV, that´s their choice isn´t it? It´s really annoying that Lange isn´t coming to i49 but we can´t really change Multiplay´s choice.

EDIT: it´s also really annoying that we won´t be having the tftv coverage ofcourse.

That´s really nice and all but because of you getting to provide the coverage there´s probably going to be less people watching.

EDIT: You ~ VTV