fat doesn't make you fat, sugar and complex carbs do. I eat a lot of fat, and it's bad for my heart, but you don't turn that into more fat before your body will pass it.
However I cut sugar and pasta out of my diet and lost 15 pounds without lifting a finger more than I normally would.
cut out the sugar!
fat doesn't make you fat, sugar and complex carbs do. I eat a lot of fat, and it's bad for my heart, but you don't turn that into more fat before your body will pass it.
However I cut sugar and pasta out of my diet and lost 15 pounds without lifting a finger more than I normally would.
cut out the sugar!
kuzafat doesn't make you fat, sugar and complex carbs do. I eat a lot of fat, and it's bad for my heart, but you don't turn that into more fat before your body will pass it.
However I cut sugar and pasta out of my diet and lost 15 pounds without lifting a finger more than I normally would.
cut out the sugar!
I'll upfrag to that. Here's a good video on the topic: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dBnniua6-oM
Also for those of you who want to read something a bit more in depth I recommend you read Nutrition and Physical Degeneration by Weston A. Price. Price is a dentist that spent a decade traveling the world examining the diets and health of a large variety of civilizations and how processed foods ultimately led to their "nutrition degeneration". It can be found free here.
[quote=kuza]fat doesn't make you fat, sugar and complex carbs do. I eat a lot of fat, and it's bad for my heart, but you don't turn that into more fat before your body will pass it.
However I cut sugar and pasta out of my diet and lost 15 pounds without lifting a finger more than I normally would.
cut out the sugar![/quote]
I'll upfrag to that. Here's a good video on the topic: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dBnniua6-oM
Also for those of you who want to read something a bit more in depth I recommend you read Nutrition and Physical Degeneration by Weston A. Price. Price is a dentist that spent a decade traveling the world examining the diets and health of a large variety of civilizations and how processed foods ultimately led to their "nutrition degeneration". It can be found free [url=http://gutenberg.net.au/ebooks02/0200251h.html]here[/url].
wafflebYou can't really compare being LGBT with obesity. If it really upsets people to be made fun of when they're obese, they can lose weight. If you're gay or whatever, there is shit all you can do about people making fun of you, thus there is a cause to fight for.
I am merely pointing out that judging and making fun of someone for their looks (obesity) is no different than judging them for their sexual preference. You don't know why someone is obese. Maybe it's their fault entirely. Maybe their genetics make it very tough to lose weight, but very easy to gain weight. Maybe they're a closet homosexual or they have gender dysphoria and their brain's method of managing the stress and depression is to eat. Maybe they are physically unable to do the work required to lose that weight.
The idea that "they can just lose weight if they don't like being made fun of" is complete idiocy. Sure, they could probably work at it and eventually get to a point where they aren't fat. Maybe they're already working on it. Or, perhaps it's just not that simple. When you are overweight, you typically have less energy and physical tasks are more difficult. You, as a person who has never been obese, have probably never experienced the complications of being obese. Do you just blindly think that all obese people simply don't care about their weight and, as a result, are always obese? I would suggest the contrary. Most of them are well-aware of their situation and would gladly change it if it were simple. Unfortunately, losing that weight is much harder than you currently imagine. Maybe they can't stand being seen in public because people always make fun of them. Maybe they have respiratory or heart problems that prevent them from being able to exercise the amount necessary to lose the weight. There are a million factors that you aren't considering.
You say I can't compare LGBT to obesity, but I will do just that. In your untrained eyes, obesity is caused by laziness and an unwillingness to exercise. "They can just lose the weight if they don't like being made fun of," you say. This is like saying that if you have gender dysphoria, you can just "realize you were born a man and live with it instead of taking hormones and going through other transitions to become more like a woman" to prevent people from treating you differently for being transgendered. Maybe instead of spiraling into suicidal depression, GD sufferers should just suck it up and live the life they were dealt. Sure, it's possible. But is it easy? Considering you're transitioning to look more like a female, I'll assume not.
The bottom line is: despite your assumptions, you don't know why they are the way they are, and yet you judge and make fun of them--all while proclaiming that anyone who judges you for your sexuality is in the wrong. Are you really contesting the hypocrisy in that?
[quote=waffleb]
You can't really compare being LGBT with obesity. If it really upsets people to be made fun of when they're obese, they can lose weight. If you're gay or whatever, there is shit all you can do about people making fun of you, thus there is a cause to fight for.
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I am merely pointing out that judging and making fun of someone for their looks (obesity) is no different than judging them for their sexual preference. You don't know why someone is obese. Maybe it's their fault entirely. Maybe their genetics make it very tough to lose weight, but very easy to gain weight. Maybe they're a closet homosexual or they have gender dysphoria and their brain's method of managing the stress and depression is to eat. Maybe they are physically unable to do the work required to lose that weight.
The idea that "they can just lose weight if they don't like being made fun of" is complete idiocy. Sure, they could probably work at it and eventually get to a point where they aren't fat. Maybe they're already working on it. Or, perhaps it's just not that simple. When you are overweight, you typically have less energy and physical tasks are more difficult. You, as a person who has never been obese, have probably never experienced the complications of being obese. Do you just blindly think that all obese people simply don't care about their weight and, as a result, are always obese? I would suggest the contrary. Most of them are well-aware of their situation and would gladly change it if it were simple. Unfortunately, losing that weight is much harder than you currently imagine. Maybe they can't stand being seen in public because people always make fun of them. Maybe they have respiratory or heart problems that prevent them from being able to exercise the amount necessary to lose the weight. There are a million factors that you aren't considering.
You say I can't compare LGBT to obesity, but I will do just that. In your untrained eyes, obesity is caused by laziness and an unwillingness to exercise. "They can just lose the weight if they don't like being made fun of," you say. This is like saying that if you have gender dysphoria, you can just "realize you were born a man and live with it instead of taking hormones and going through other transitions to become more like a woman" to prevent people from treating you differently for being transgendered. Maybe instead of spiraling into suicidal depression, GD sufferers should just suck it up and live the life they were dealt. Sure, it's possible. But is it easy? Considering you're transitioning to look more like a female, I'll assume not.
The bottom line is: despite your assumptions, you don't know why they are the way they are, and yet you judge and make fun of them--all while proclaiming that anyone who judges you for your sexuality is in the wrong. Are you really contesting the hypocrisy in that?
Seriously this conversation and thread has no purpose, we are people. People are different we have different faces, races, bodies, and lifestyles. That is what makes us different. Think of a world where everyone was the same. We were all skinny and slim. We would be pretty weak right? So why do you feel that you should let your friend be pointed out on it sometimes. You should be supportive and help her out. She's getting made fun of at the gym then go with her. Friends don't just let people point her out like that. If you see that shit then stop it and stop being an ass and just thinking "well she needs to be brought back to reality". You see she knows about her weight and is trying to keep it in control I am pretty sure she's already in "reality". So why don't you keep her focused and support. Keep the positive energy flowing.
Seriously this conversation and thread has no purpose, we are people. People are different we have different faces, races, bodies, and lifestyles. That is what makes us different. Think of a world where everyone was the same. We were all skinny and slim. We would be pretty weak right? So why do you feel that you should let your friend be pointed out on it sometimes. You should be supportive and help her out. She's getting made fun of at the gym then go with her. Friends don't just let people point her out like that. If you see that shit then stop it and stop being an ass and just thinking "well she needs to be brought back to reality". You see she knows about her weight and is trying to keep it in control I am pretty sure she's already in "reality". So why don't you keep her focused and support. Keep the positive energy flowing.
smakerswafflebYou can't really compare being LGBT with obesity. If it really upsets people to be made fun of when they're obese, they can lose weight. If you're gay or whatever, there is shit all you can do about people making fun of you, thus there is a cause to fight for.
The bottom line is: despite your assumptions, you don't know why they are the way they are, and yet you judge and make fun of them--all while proclaiming that anyone who judges you for your sexuality is in the wrong. Are you really contesting the hypocrisy in that?
I was overweight, and i'm pretty sure it was because I ate too much. Losing weight is a choice, it's a want, and If you really want something you WILL seek it. There's no complications inside of it. I can truthfully say however, I've never been actually depressed, because my mind is simply wired in a way that just doesn't allow it to happen.
When obese people say, "when I'm sad, I eat" is coming off as silly to me, because you could easily just say "when I'm angry, I lift". it's really all about bad mentality and bad decisions.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZrasQOojFyo
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cw6uCuI8Mek
[quote=smakers][quote=waffleb]
You can't really compare being LGBT with obesity. If it really upsets people to be made fun of when they're obese, they can lose weight. If you're gay or whatever, there is shit all you can do about people making fun of you, thus there is a cause to fight for.
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The bottom line is: despite your assumptions,[b] you don't know why they are the way they are[/b], and yet you judge and make fun of them--all while proclaiming that anyone who judges you for your sexuality is in the wrong. Are you really contesting the hypocrisy in that?[/quote]
I was overweight, and i'm pretty sure it was because I ate too much. Losing weight is a choice, it's a want, and If you really want something you WILL seek it. There's no complications inside of it. I can truthfully say however, I've never been actually depressed, because my mind is simply wired in a way that just doesn't allow it to happen.
When obese people say, "when I'm sad, I eat" is coming off as silly to me, because you could easily just say "when I'm angry, I lift". it's really all about bad mentality and bad decisions.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZrasQOojFyo
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cw6uCuI8Mek
smakers
The problem with your comparison is the fact that it's obvious that you think there is always something inherently wrong with being trans. Yet, when you look at it objectively, there really isn't a problem with it, much like being gay, etc. The problem with the trans issue, is that not everyone ends up looking attractive - as a result, they get made fun of.
This is where the argument gets cloudy - however, these people don't choose to look unattractive; it is merely a result of their biological disposition. The only reasonable comparison to make, is that when obese people react to depression by eating a lot, they, as a result, end up looking obese. They indulge their desire to eat much like a transperson desires to be percieved as the opposite gender. What is wrong with the obese person, is that they can easily equalize their desire to eat by simply exercising more, so they don't suffer any negative consequence. There is obviously no such simple solution for a transperson, thus your comparison makes no sense.
The only exception is when the obese person in question has a specific problem with their body that makes it extremely hard to lose weight to the point where they will only gain weight. However, this problem is rare enough that one can assume there is really no real reason for most people to be obese.
[quote=smakers][/quote]
The problem with your comparison is the fact that it's obvious that you think there is [i]always[/i] something inherently wrong with being trans. Yet, when you look at it objectively, there really isn't a problem with it, much like being gay, etc. The problem with the trans issue, is that not everyone ends up looking attractive - as a result, they get made fun of.
This is where the argument gets cloudy - however, these people don't choose to look unattractive; it is merely a result of their biological disposition. The only [i]reasonable[/i] comparison to make, is that when obese people react to depression by eating a lot, they, as a result, end up looking obese. They indulge their desire to eat much like a transperson desires to be percieved as the opposite gender. What is wrong with the obese person, is that they can easily equalize their desire to eat by simply exercising more, so they don't suffer any negative consequence. There is obviously no such simple solution for a transperson, thus your comparison makes no sense.
The only exception is when the obese person in question has a specific problem with their body that makes it extremely hard to lose weight to the point where they will only gain weight. However, this problem is rare enough that one can assume there is really no real reason for most people to be obese.
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these arguments would be going a lot more smoothly if the posters had actual empathy for other parties
these arguments would be going a lot more smoothly if the posters had actual empathy for other parties
FzeroThere is a big difference between making excuses and having valid reasons and you act like no reasons are true? I would love to know what you do for a living and how many hours that you work? If you don't have extra time to spare, then exactly when do you exercise? Walk to work, bike? The majority of Americans travel around 25-30 minutes to get to work? So should someone spend 3 hours biking to work when they barely have enough time as it is? Every single example that you gave is that they had an option to get exercise, but they choose not to. What about those that want the option to exercise, but legitimately can't?
"those that want the option to exercise, but legitimately can't" refers to such a small number of people that it really isn't relative to this thread. Sure the daily routine you described isn't close to ideal, but to make the claim that some people truly cannot find the time to exercise is complete bullshit. I guarantee if I were placed in your position for a few weeks (given the knowledge, education, etc. that you have) I would be able to work/live as you do on a daily basis and find ways in which I could eat more healthily and exercise more.
I don't really have an issue with obesity, if people want (or don't want) to live their lives unhealthily and essentially nonfunctionally then they can do so, it doesn't bother me. The biggest issue I have is when people who want to lose weight seem to accept the fact that they might not be able to and don't even try to do anything to fix it. Even if one is "genetically bound to be obese" and walking for 30 minutes a day won't do anything to help them lose weight, they should walk anyways. If they aren't at least trying then they have no reason to complain or expect sympathy from others.
[quote=Fzero]
There is a big difference between making excuses and having valid reasons and you act like no reasons are true? I would love to know what you do for a living and how many hours that you work? If you don't have extra time to spare, then exactly when do you exercise? Walk to work, bike? The majority of Americans travel around 25-30 minutes to get to work? So should someone spend 3 hours biking to work when they barely have enough time as it is? Every single example that you gave is that they had an option to get exercise, but they choose not to. What about those that want the option to exercise, but legitimately can't?[/quote]
"those that want the option to exercise, but legitimately can't" refers to such a small number of people that it really isn't relative to this thread. Sure the daily routine you described isn't close to ideal, but to make the claim that some people truly cannot find the time to exercise is complete bullshit. I guarantee if I were placed in your position for a few weeks (given the knowledge, education, etc. that you have) I would be able to work/live as you do on a daily basis and find ways in which I could eat more healthily and exercise more.
I don't really have an issue with obesity, if people want (or don't want) to live their lives unhealthily and essentially nonfunctionally then they can do so, it doesn't bother me. The biggest issue I have is when people who want to lose weight seem to accept the fact that they might not be able to and don't even try to do anything to fix it. Even if one is "[i]genetically bound to be obese[/i]" and walking for 30 minutes a day won't do anything to help them lose weight, they should [i]walk anyways.[/i] If they aren't at least trying then they have no reason to complain or expect sympathy from others.
so waffleb, has this thread helped you any? what are you going to do to your fat friend to make her change her ways?
so waffleb, has this thread helped you any? what are you going to do to your fat friend to make her change her ways?
clorgso waffleb, has this thread helped you any? what are you going to do to your fat friend to make her change her ways?
There are still debates going on, and besides, she just asked for opinions so it's perfectly fine for debates to go on.
Honestly, I like these kind of threads, it gives the people something to talk about and debating and discussing is really cool as long as no one gets angry or heated. I personally would love a section on the forum for debates, the animation forum I used to regular at had one, and the members debated a numerous amount of controversial issues, like religion, gay marriage, the use of the word "nigga", legalizing marijuana, piracy, etc. It's another way for people to get to know each other.
but still, the +-frag system totally impairs any form of logical and truthful debate and leads to bandwagoning and stupidity, so any forum dedicated to it wouldn't be a good idea
[quote=clorg]so waffleb, has this thread helped you any? what are you going to do to your fat friend to make her change her ways?[/quote]
There are still debates going on, and besides, she just asked for opinions so it's perfectly fine for debates to go on.
Honestly, I like these kind of threads, it gives the people something to talk about and debating and discussing is really cool as long as no one gets angry or heated. I personally would love a section on the forum for debates, the animation forum I used to regular at had one, and the members debated a numerous amount of controversial issues, like religion, gay marriage, the use of the word "nigga", legalizing marijuana, piracy, etc. It's another way for people to get to know each other.
but still, the +-frag system totally impairs any form of logical and truthful debate and leads to bandwagoning and stupidity, so any forum dedicated to it wouldn't be a good idea
boppetHonestly, I like these kind of threads, it gives the people something to talk about and debating and discussing is really cool as long as no one gets angry or heated. I personally would love a section on the forum for debates, the animation forum I used to regular at had one, and the members debated a numerous amount of controversial issues, like religion, gay marriage, the use of the word "nigga", legalizing marijuana, piracy, etc. It's another way for people to get to know each other.
I agree, most people see these threads as negative (I think back to when the documentary was released and we debated whether or not the cost of the high quality version was justified or not), but in fact they're probably the best way for people to develop their skills in debating, learn of the opinions of others (and perhaps incorporate some of those ideas into their own opinions) and many other things. I especially appreciate June's posts because he often brings out harsh opinions in a very blunt/rude manner, and while it perhaps isn't the most meaningful way to post it definitely is effective in starting debates.
[quote=boppet]
Honestly, I like these kind of threads, it gives the people something to talk about and debating and discussing is really cool as long as no one gets angry or heated. I personally would love a section on the forum for debates, the animation forum I used to regular at had one, and the members debated a numerous amount of controversial issues, like religion, gay marriage, the use of the word "nigga", legalizing marijuana, piracy, etc. It's another way for people to get to know each other.
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I agree, most people see these threads as negative (I think back to when the documentary was released and we debated whether or not the cost of the high quality version was justified or not), but in fact they're probably the best way for people to develop their skills in debating, learn of the opinions of others (and perhaps incorporate some of those ideas into their own opinions) and many other things. I especially appreciate June's posts because he often brings out harsh opinions in a very blunt/rude manner, and while it perhaps isn't the most meaningful way to post it definitely is effective in starting debates.
waffleb
The only exception is when the obese person in question has a specific problem with their body that makes it extremely hard to lose weight to the point where they will only gain weight.
yeah, it's called addiction psychosis
[quote=waffleb]
The only exception is when the obese person in question has a specific problem with their body that makes it extremely hard to lose weight to the point where they will only gain weight.[/quote]
yeah, it's called addiction psychosis
waffleb
You're missing the point. You can argue the comparison all you want, but the point is simple: you're judging someone for their looks and lifestyle while simultaneously damning anyone who does the same to you. It's ignorant.
waffleb The problem with your comparison is the fact that it's obvious that you think there is always something inherently wrong with being trans. Yet, when you look at it objectively, there really isn't a problem with it, much like being gay, etc.
Yes, I do think there is something inherently wrong with being so far out of your own mind that you want to deceive yourself and the world into thinking you're the opposite gender. Do I like that it occurs? No. Does it affect my daily life? No. Do I understand that you have a mental issue that makes you feel very strongly that you should be the opposite gender? Sure. Does that make you the opposite gender? No more than my desire to be a king makes me one. But my opinion on that doesn't matter.
It's your opinion and your life. You have the freedom to think as you please regarding obese people. Call them fatties or don't; neither will bother me. I'm just pointing out the blatant hypocrisy.
[quote=waffleb][/quote]
You're missing the point. You can argue the comparison all you want, but the point is simple: you're judging someone for their looks and lifestyle while simultaneously damning anyone who does the same to you. It's ignorant.
[quote=waffleb] The problem with your comparison is the fact that it's obvious that you think there is always something inherently wrong with being trans. Yet, when you look at it objectively, there really isn't a problem with it, much like being gay, etc.[/quote]
Yes, I do think there is something inherently wrong with being so far out of your own mind that you want to deceive yourself and the world into thinking you're the opposite gender. Do I like that it occurs? No. Does it affect my daily life? No. Do I understand that you have a mental issue that makes you feel very strongly that you should be the opposite gender? Sure. Does that make you the opposite gender? No more than my desire to be a king makes me one. But my opinion on that doesn't matter.
It's your opinion and your life. You have the freedom to think as you please regarding obese people. Call them fatties or don't; neither will bother me. I'm just pointing out the blatant hypocrisy.
Do you honestly think you're going to tell her anything she doesn't know? Like society doesn't put enough pressure on women to be thin. All you opening your mouth is going to do is make her feel worse about her situation. Society tells people they should be thin enough, and you're hilariously delusional if you think you saying something is going to open her up to the error of the ways. All you will do is make her feel worse about it, and with friends like that who needs enemies?
Do you honestly think you're going to tell her anything she doesn't know? Like society doesn't put enough pressure on women to be thin. All you opening your mouth is going to do is make her feel worse about her situation. Society tells people they should be thin enough, and you're hilariously delusional if you think you saying something is going to open her up to the error of the ways. All you will do is make her feel worse about it, and with friends like that who needs enemies?
I feel my above post might be taken too harshly. My stance on LGBT things is no secret; I vehemently disagree with the lifestyle. I do, however, know several people in those categories who I would classify as friends. I don't hate them or talk down to them for their lifestyle as it's not my place to do so. I don't agree with it, and if asked, I will respond as such.
I feel my above post might be taken too harshly. My stance on LGBT things is no secret; I vehemently disagree with the lifestyle. I do, however, know several people in those categories who I would classify as friends. I don't hate them or talk down to them for their lifestyle as it's not my place to do so. I don't agree with it, and if asked, I will respond as such.
Sometimes I wish yaug would come in a thread to speak his mind on these issues
Sometimes I wish yaug would come in a thread to speak his mind on these issues
I'm confused. What is not to agree with? and if agreement is not even important or relevant why have a stance?
I'm confused. What is not to agree with? and if agreement is not even important or relevant why have a stance?
smakersI feel my above post might be taken too harshly. My stance on LGBT things is no secret; I vehemently disagree with the lifestyle. I do, however, know several people in those categories who I would classify as friends. I don't hate them or talk down to them for their lifestyle as it's not my place to do so. I don't agree with it, and if asked, I will respond as such.
What do you not agree with?
Sexual orientation and gender dysphoria aren't lifestyle choices, they're hardcoded. Do you not agree with people pursuing what makes them happy and feel comfortable with themselves?
I used to say I disagreed with polyamory, but I also support the idea of people doing what makes them happy so long as no one else is harmed. So I think a better way to describe it is, "that's not for me, but I am okay if someone else is happy with it."
[quote=smakers]I feel my above post might be taken too harshly. My stance on LGBT things is no secret; I vehemently disagree with the lifestyle. I do, however, know several people in those categories who I would classify as friends. I don't hate them or talk down to them for their lifestyle as it's not my place to do so. I don't agree with it, and if asked, I will respond as such.[/quote]
What do you not agree with?
Sexual orientation and gender dysphoria aren't lifestyle choices, they're hardcoded. Do you not agree with people pursuing what makes them happy and feel comfortable with themselves?
I used to say I disagreed with polyamory, but I also support the idea of people doing what makes them happy so long as no one else is harmed. So I think a better way to describe it is, "that's not for me, but I am okay if someone else is happy with it."
smakersI feel my above post might be taken too harshly. My stance on LGBT things is no secret; I vehemently disagree with the lifestyle. I do, however, know several people in those categories who I would classify as friends. I don't hate them or talk down to them for their lifestyle as it's not my place to do so. I don't agree with it, and if asked, I will respond as such.
you think being gay is a lifestyle choice? When did you choose to be straight? Do you wake up each morning fighting with the choice yourself? cause I sure don't.
The worst part is that you're old enough to know better, to inform yourself, especially when you have friends who have lived through this.
[quote=smakers]I feel my above post might be taken too harshly. My stance on LGBT things is no secret; I vehemently disagree with the lifestyle. I do, however, know several people in those categories who I would classify as friends. I don't hate them or talk down to them for their lifestyle as it's not my place to do so. I don't agree with it, and if asked, I will respond as such.[/quote]
you think being gay is a lifestyle choice? When did you choose to be straight? Do you wake up each morning fighting with the choice yourself? cause I sure don't.
The worst part is that you're old enough to know better, to inform yourself, especially when you have friends who have lived through this.
dellortFzeroThere is a big difference between making excuses and having valid reasons and you act like no reasons are true? I would love to know what you do for a living and how many hours that you work? If you don't have extra time to spare, then exactly when do you exercise? Walk to work, bike? The majority of Americans travel around 25-30 minutes to get to work? So should someone spend 3 hours biking to work when they barely have enough time as it is? Every single example that you gave is that they had an option to get exercise, but they choose not to. What about those that want the option to exercise, but legitimately can't?
"those that want the option to exercise, but legitimately can't" refers to such a small number of people that it really isn't relative to this thread. Sure the daily routine you described isn't close to ideal, but to make the claim that some people truly cannot find the time to exercise is complete bullshit. I guarantee if I were placed in your position for a few weeks (given the knowledge, education, etc. that you have) I would be able to work/live as you do on a daily basis and find ways in which I could eat more healthily and exercise more.
I don't really have an issue with obesity, if people want (or don't want) to live their lives unhealthily and essentially nonfunctionally then they can do so, it doesn't bother me. The biggest issue I have is when people who want to lose weight seem to accept the fact that they might not be able to and don't even try to do anything to fix it. Even if one is "genetically bound to be obese" and walking for 30 minutes a day won't do anything to help them lose weight, they should walk anyways. If they aren't at least trying then they have no reason to complain or expect sympathy from others.
Yes, it is possible to find time to exercise when you're only doing it for a couple weeks. The problem starts when you start doing a routine of getting to work at 7:30-8AM then leave around 8-9PM for 7 days a week (and it's likely that you will still have work that needs done from home) for months on end always sitting in front of a computer. This is why there is such a massive turnover when it comes to people working in politics. The body and mind is only able to handle so much before you barely have enough energy to move, let alone go for a walk/run/whatever. Then you start adding things like taking care of your home, pets, buying food, sleep, etc. All of those things have to be more of a priority than getting exercise.
Even if you take out the fact of my ordeal, how about the person that works two jobs? Or what has already been said regarding obesity and income? There was a time when fast food was more expensive then buying veggies from Kroger/Wallmart/etc. This is no loner the case. I want to add more about this later, will edit with more on this point
It should be quickly noted that I don't agree with obesity and that I think it's a huge problem, but I feel like too many people want to ONLY put the blame on the individual without caring or being ignorant on the forces that drive the issue too.
[quote=dellort][quote=Fzero]
There is a big difference between making excuses and having valid reasons and you act like no reasons are true? I would love to know what you do for a living and how many hours that you work? If you don't have extra time to spare, then exactly when do you exercise? Walk to work, bike? The majority of Americans travel around 25-30 minutes to get to work? So should someone spend 3 hours biking to work when they barely have enough time as it is? Every single example that you gave is that they had an option to get exercise, but they choose not to. What about those that want the option to exercise, but legitimately can't?[/quote]
"those that want the option to exercise, but legitimately can't" refers to such a small number of people that it really isn't relative to this thread. Sure the daily routine you described isn't close to ideal, but to make the claim that some people truly cannot find the time to exercise is complete bullshit. I guarantee if I were placed in your position for a few weeks (given the knowledge, education, etc. that you have) I would be able to work/live as you do on a daily basis and find ways in which I could eat more healthily and exercise more.
I don't really have an issue with obesity, if people want (or don't want) to live their lives unhealthily and essentially nonfunctionally then they can do so, it doesn't bother me. The biggest issue I have is when people who want to lose weight seem to accept the fact that they might not be able to and don't even try to do anything to fix it. Even if one is "[i]genetically bound to be obese[/i]" and walking for 30 minutes a day won't do anything to help them lose weight, they should [i]walk anyways.[/i] If they aren't at least trying then they have no reason to complain or expect sympathy from others.[/quote]
Yes, it is possible to find time to exercise when you're only doing it for a couple weeks. The problem starts when you start doing a routine of getting to work at 7:30-8AM then leave around 8-9PM for 7 days a week (and it's likely that you will still have work that needs done from home) for months on end always sitting in front of a computer. This is why there is such a massive turnover when it comes to people working in politics. The body and mind is only able to handle so much before you barely have enough energy to move, let alone go for a walk/run/whatever. Then you start adding things like taking care of your home, pets, buying food, sleep, etc. All of those things have to be more of a priority than getting exercise.
Even if you take out the fact of my ordeal, how about the person that works two jobs? Or what has already been said regarding obesity and income? There was a time when fast food was more expensive then buying veggies from Kroger/Wallmart/etc. This is no loner the case. I want to add more about this later, will edit with more on this point
It should be quickly noted that I don't agree with obesity and that I think it's a huge problem, but I feel like too many people want to ONLY put the blame on the individual without caring or being ignorant on the forces that drive the issue too.
I think I was pretty clear, Renhet. I very well understand they're somewhat "hard coded" as you say. I understand a man with a homosexual predisposition cannot force himself to be sexually attracted to women just as I cannot force myself to be sexually attracted to men. I get it. I just don't agree with that lifestyle--it is biologically wrong. Do I shun people for it? No, I think they're free to live how they want, but they know it's not "normal" and it's not biologically correct. I respect your opinion, and it's fine that you don't want to use the word 'disagree'. I do, however.
I think I was pretty clear, Renhet. I very well understand they're somewhat "hard coded" as you say. I understand a man with a homosexual predisposition cannot force himself to be sexually attracted to women just as I cannot force myself to be sexually attracted to men. I get it. I just don't agree with that lifestyle--it is biologically wrong. Do I shun people for it? No, I think they're free to live how they want, but they know it's not "normal" and it's not biologically correct. I respect your opinion, and it's fine that you don't want to use the word 'disagree'. I do, however.
smakersYes, I do think there is something inherently wrong with being so far out of your own mind that you want to deceive yourself and the world into thinking you're the opposite gender. Do I like that it occurs? No. Does it affect my daily life? No. Do I understand that you have a mental issue that makes you feel very strongly that you should be the opposite gender? Sure. Does that make you the opposite gender? No more than my desire to be a king makes me one. But my opinion on that doesn't matter.
Can't tell if you're trolling or not but I shouldn't even have to argue that I'm not deceiving anyone. You desire to be a king, but you are not. I am a woman, and I don't have to desire or pretend to be one, because I am one. When I go out about my day, people treat me like a woman because I look, act, and sound like one. It's really not hard to understand. It seems like you need to reevaluate the differences between gender and birth sex.
Since this whole thing is beside the thread topic, I'd consider just spouting insults at me next time since it would be a hell of a lot easier on you.
Also, there are plenty of examples of other species showing homosexual and trans behavior. I wouldn't say its "biologically wrong" at all.
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Yes, I do think there is something inherently wrong with being so far out of your own mind that you want to deceive yourself and the world into thinking you're the opposite gender. Do I like that it occurs? No. Does it affect my daily life? No. Do I understand that you have a mental issue that makes you feel very strongly that you should be the opposite gender? Sure. Does that make you the opposite gender? No more than my desire to be a king makes me one. But my opinion on that doesn't matter.
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Can't tell if you're trolling or not but I shouldn't even have to argue that I'm not deceiving anyone. You desire to be a king, but you are not. I am a woman, and I don't have to desire or pretend to be one, because I am one. When I go out about my day, people treat me like a woman because I look, act, and sound like one. It's really not hard to understand. It seems like you need to reevaluate the differences between gender and birth sex.
Since this whole thing is beside the thread topic, I'd consider just spouting insults at me next time since it would be a hell of a lot easier on you.
Also, there are plenty of examples of other species showing homosexual and trans behavior. I wouldn't say its "biologically wrong" at all.
wafflebAlso, there are plenty of examples of other species showing homosexual and trans behavior. I wouldn't say its "biologically wrong" at all.
Just because something occurs in other species doesn't mean that it's normal.
[quote=waffleb]Also, there are plenty of examples of other species showing homosexual and trans behavior. I wouldn't say its "biologically wrong" at all.[/quote]
Just because something occurs in other species doesn't mean that it's normal.
what if i think it is "biologically wrong" but also normal?
what if i think it is "biologically wrong" but also normal?
I have no problem with you desiring to be a woman. I will not refer to you as a woman, because biologically, you are not a woman. Your chromosomes are XY, not XX. You consider your gender to be female, and that's fine. Your sex is male, and thus I will refer to you as male. I don't need to re-evaluate anything, because I understand the modern differences of 'sex' being biological characteristics vs. 'gender' being societal roles and characteristics. I am completely fine with the fact that you take on a female societal role.
I consider it biologically wrong because the biological goal of every species is procreation, which is not achieved via homosexual and transsexual behavior.
It may be easier, but I have no desire to spout insults at you, and I apologize if that's how you're reading into these posts.
You have a stance and I have a stance. I respect yours, although I disagree. Why can't you do the same?
I have no problem with you desiring to be a woman. I will not refer to you as a woman, because biologically, you are not a woman. Your chromosomes are XY, not XX. You consider your gender to be female, and that's fine. Your sex is male, and thus I will refer to you as male. I don't need to re-evaluate anything, because I understand the modern differences of 'sex' being biological characteristics vs. 'gender' being societal roles and characteristics. I am completely fine with the fact that you take on a female societal role.
I consider it biologically wrong because the biological goal of every species is procreation, which is not achieved via homosexual and transsexual behavior.
It may be easier, but I have no desire to spout insults at you, and I apologize if that's how you're reading into these posts.
You have a stance and I have a stance. I respect yours, although I disagree. Why can't you do the same?
kuzaDo you wake up each morning fighting with the choice of sucking dick or eating pussy?
yes
[quote=kuza]Do you wake up each morning fighting with the choice of sucking dick or eating pussy? [/quote]
yes
i generally dont like fat bald 30 year old fucks who play tf2
i generally dont like fat bald 30 year old fucks who play tf2