Ack thank you so much for finding this! I was wondering what droid meant by "one rather abusive" spot, and although I can't completely confirm this was what he was talking about I will definitely fix this nonetheless! If there are any other spaces like this then please please please tell me so that people who play it won't get mad when these spots end up being exploited.

Hey Phi- neat trick Benroads showed me for finding crap like this.

Turn on r_drawclipbrushes while your in TF2 and look for any bit of roof or whatnot that isn't covered. It's pretty darn handy.

Yeah, I knew about that trick for awhile, I've been using it a lot but I just don't have the time to go around and catch every little thing! I knew you could get up on those vanes and I purposefully left them like that because I thought that would be a funny spot - I didn't know you could exploit it like that, though. That's why testers and other people are so useful, they find things that I miss or forget or something haha

this map is so pretty, i hope it doesnt play like shit

omg you ruined the strat

We tried it in the cup but never managed to kill anyone with it though

it was time to give up our secret

Congrats, Phi!

http://i.imgur.com/MJezFKg.png

https://dl.dropboxusercontent.com/u/84556731/sunshine/2014-02-10_00002.jpg

I'm teasing you all so much~

RC1 coming tomorrow, hopefully just in time.

Super happy and thankful to everyone who's helped me test and make this map get as far as it did.
Shoutouts to Selentic, JoshuaC, Smyther, Valkyrie, Droidster, nightwatch, Benroads, rays, obsidiian, hooky, tftv, new map weekends, etf2l, TF2Maps.net, prestige and all the other fine cute people who've played on the map and given feedback.
I hope that this map's run in ESEA will be a useful experience for me - it'll be my first time ever getting a map somewhere like this. I can't wait!!

~Jaycie (phi)

I was looking through some of my old ideas for maps, and I couldn't help but notice

http://puu.sh/6RGZj.png

Phi I expect my royalties in the mail

It looks 100x more amazing now.

Thank you, Phi, for making such a good[-looking] map. :D

Great map! Make sure to update the original post :)

Congrats on getting your map into the rotation! Once you release rc1 I'll actually get around to making that rollout video I was going to do.

RC1A OUT. HAVE FUN!

Report back any glitches/issues so I can fix them quick if need be!
*note to all: if there is anything wrong, which I bet there is, I'll have it fixed by tomorrow.*

DROPBOX DOWNLOAD (I WILL PROBABLY NEED A MIRROR TOO!): https://dl.dropboxusercontent.com/u/84556731/sunshine/cp_sunshine_rc1a.bsp.bz2

Changelog:
- Added new route to last, removed a route
- Hopefully made the announcer work
- Slight HDR
- 3d skybox
- Made valley less complex
- No more rocks
- Simplified bloating custom textures a little
- Optimization
- General fixes here and there and here and there
- More secret deer

Screenshots:

https://dl.dropboxusercontent.com/u/84556731/sunshine/2014-02-10_00002.jpg

https://dl.dropboxusercontent.com/u/84556731/sunshine/2014-02-11_00003.jpg

https://dl.dropboxusercontent.com/u/84556731/sunshine/2014-02-11_00004.jpg

https://dl.dropboxusercontent.com/u/84556731/sunshine/2014-02-11_00005.jpg

https://dl.dropboxusercontent.com/u/84556731/sunshine/2014-02-11_00006.jpg

https://dl.dropboxusercontent.com/u/84556731/sunshine/2014-02-11_00001.jpg

https://dl.dropboxusercontent.com/u/84556731/sunshine/2014-02-11_00002.jpg

fuck

I don't know if it was intentional but you can open the blue forward spawn in b2 regardless of owning mid or not

Yup, that wasn't intentional at all! Fixed that for rc1, just forgot to add it to the changelog.

I don't know if it's just me but I can't load the cubemaps

this is flooded in console: Failed, using default cubemap 'engine/defaultcubemap'

I'm not getting any cubemaps with no HDR. With HDR cubemaps are working.

I just did a quick run through on the map. One thing I noticed is there doesn't seem to be any good places for the combo to hold forward near chokes when defending. On basically every map in rotation you can hold at least mid and second really close to the chokes, but from what I've seen here most of the positions put you on lower ground or put your med in a bad position.

Not sure how it actually plays out, but it seems to me like you'd just have your combo back most of the time with scouts + roamer closer to the chokes, which is kind of annoying since it doesn't allow for the combos to trade damage and makes it pretty hard to make plays on each others meds.

I thought similarly to trog; in addition, there seemed to be so many hiding spots it was a little ridiculous. None of them seemed to be too bad/hard to check for but there were definitely a ton, leaning towards too many. I had a lot of little things to point out so I'm gonna spoiler tag because it's so large. Some of these are nit-picky but I tried to be thorough in checking for stupid exploits and crap.

Great work overall though! The whole map looks amazing, and I was really impressed how everytime I tried to jump up and get myself stuck/clipped somewhere stupid I was unable to, you really covered all the angles I could think of in that regard. The only hiding spots I could find were all obviously intentional, so nice job. Look forward to seeing this played, sorry I couldn't figure out any game-breaking rollouts, maybe more to come on that tomorrow...

It's a gorgeous map, congratz dude. I'm excited to see how it'll play.

I'm too lazy to take and post screenshots, but I spent two hours trying things out on stream and saying just somethings I would maybe consider, or think of changing after there has been enough play testing done by players of different divisions. The map looks nice on 2nd, but on middle is there any possibility of changing the windows? From a distance they seem very distorted, and are quite distracting. The vod was pretty long, but it was basically just me finding ways to roll-out and my opinion on things that could possibly be changed if enough people ask for it (aka I suck at explaining maps). Thanks for all the hard work you put into the map though, I do really love the way second looks.

http://www.twitch.tv/rr/c/3709002

http://i.imgur.com/PRkJvzD.jpg

This sign sold me on this map. This map looks really beautiful but did notice some texture problems with last and on the glass of the lighthouses, but overall i think this will be a great map. I can't wait for this map to be casted.

If anyone wants it for your server I made the spawns for soap dm because I have nothing better to do

"cp_sunshine_rc1a"
    {
        "red"
        {
            "Red choke"
            {
                "origin"    "-1121.420532 3330.622559 68.289474"
                "angles"    "-2.356567 -179.357300 0.000000"
            }
            "Red flank"
            {
                "origin"    "-2758.084473 3079.824463 204.031311"
                "angles"    "5.246035 89.462204 0.000000"
            }
            "Red roof"
            {
                "origin"    "-1708.072144 4103.410645 458.991730"
                "angles"    "7.383407 -179.597519 0.000000"
            }
            "Red cafe"
            {
                "origin"    "-1108.210449 4338.502930 132.031311"
                "angles"    "-0.930970 -179.119644 0.000000"
            }
        }
        "blue"
        {
            "Blu choke"
            {
                "origin"    "-4045.283691 4915.129395 75.564346"
                "angles"    "1.800902 -3.735364 0.000000"
            }
            "Blu flank"
            {
                "origin"    "-2354.458984 5108.685059 204.031311"
                "angles"    "10.829761 -93.310516 0.000000"
            }
            "Blu roof"
            {
                "origin"    "3459.375488 4074.825195 470.88397"
                "angles"    "12.195948 1.551104 0.000000"
            }
            "Blu cafe"
            {
                "origin"    "-3979.721191 3867.468262 132.03131"
                "angles"    "0.672421 0.718558 0.000000"
            }
        }
    }

YES, for the record those funky reflections on the windows and etc are a BUG. I'm going to release cp_sunshine_rc1a TONIGHT as a fix, all download links will be replaced with THAT so people don't accidentally DL the bad version. Might fix one or two of the issues mentioned above too. Droid you will have to rename those SOAP spawns when I release rc1a as well. Cheers, that should be the last version before ESEA I hope.

rc1a is out. cubemaps should be fixed, along with a few other little tiny things.

https://dl.dropboxusercontent.com/u/84556731/sunshine/cp_sunshine_rc1a.bsp.bz2

edited OP and rc1 post. download and use this version, please! thanks~

put in the #tf2.pug.na rotation, so you guys can test it out there

The map is very pretty and hopefully it will play as good as it looks. A few things I would like to mention however.

http://i.imgur.com/tr3IYuC.jpg

this pillar in the middle makes no sense to me. It's ugly to look at and its in the way for how one wants to move around on last point.

http://i.imgur.com/kHHvN8R.jpg

You can see it in this picture. the fastest way I've found to mid is by going on the left there. During the rollout the soldier would have to jump up to the pipe and then wall jump towards the door. if the pillar wasnt there the soldier could do two small jumps close to the ground. Its a minor detail but still annoying.

For a demoman however the fastest way to move to that left door is by jumping over the pipe, resulting in fall damage at the end and it just seems very unnecessary.

Now I think I know why you put the pillar there and what function it has. My guess is that its there to create a wall from spawners to the point, Much like the glass on badlands and gully or the fences on metalworks. But I dont think its needed considering how the spawn is basicly moved into a corner and the two ways of moving out from spawn are easily spammable by being in these two "box portions". If there was anything you would want to limit from that pillar its scouts moving from spawn in which I suggest you remove the pillar and set up some kinda fence or boundary that is too high to double jump over (however I think one should be able to winger jump over) in order to limit the defenders spawn possibilities. With that in mind I also think a good compensation for the vertical openness that the point should be capped a bit faster.

http://i.imgur.com/HNoCXfD.jpg

There is too much of the same texture being used here. Its one of the ugliest portions of the map and its ugliness exceeds that of even metalworks in my opinion(metalworks being an eyesore of edges while this one just being bland). I think you should mix in some of the wooden textures from middle which is also being used by the 2nd point.

http://i.imgur.com/44ZxieM.jpg

Fill up the holes. It makes you believe you can shoot trough them which one shouldnt.

http://i.imgur.com/VypNQU0.jpg

every entrance from last to 2nd have the height disadvantage. This is a huge problem in my eyes because it makes pushing out from last feel really heavy and hard. I think the balcony bit should be raised a bit to match the height of the point (or maybe a just underneath it).
I also think the door and roof out from balcony should be raised. but the fence outside of it remain unchanged. This would make it easyer for soldiers and demos to jump out from it while the fence blocks spam. Just a minor detail.

Another thing to mention is that because there are so many entrances to 2nd, if the attacking team where to hold lobby before pushing last, and the defending team managed to get a player into lobby he would have a higher chance of managing to rush behind them. however that would just be an incentive to push last for most teams. Its an interesting situation which I think will be unique to this map. Definetly need playtesting opinions on that matter.

http://i.imgur.com/4fSW0ot.jpg

http://i.imgur.com/IRPSAlg.jpg

these three big packs are so close together I think you should remove the one in bottom lobby. the one in the alley has a function on mid aswell as 2nd that i think it should stay.

http://i.imgur.com/CIpMzoZ.jpg

This pack is too close to the cafe pack. If you do want a health refill there it should be the smallest health pack and not a medium one.

http://i.imgur.com/8LYFm2H.jpg

I dont know what this fence is there for. If it doesnt have any intention then I suggest you remove it(It doesnt really block any spam if thats what you're going for).

These are just my 2cents from fooling around with it a bit.

just a few recommendations/bugs
Its really easy to spawn camp on this map if you're playing point, maybe moving a spawn door to the far right might be a good idea and working around that, you can also shoot the spawn and cap the point from here
http://steamcommunity.com/sharedfiles/filedetails/?id=227692518
I don't think this roof should be a place that you could stand on, theres no real downside to standing on it as roamer since its slanted and if you're on the edge and you hit the wall you won't get any splash
http://steamcommunity.com/sharedfiles/filedetails/?id=227692506
pushing out of last looks really difficult unless you wipe them due to how many doors there are these two may not be the best to remove but if you think it would help then i would recommend it
http://steamcommunity.com/sharedfiles/filedetails/?id=227692540
http://steamcommunity.com/sharedfiles/filedetails/?id=227692531
this spot is stupid pls fix
http://steamcommunity.com/sharedfiles/filedetails/?id=227692565
this is also stupid
http://steamcommunity.com/sharedfiles/filedetails/?id=227693414
http://steamcommunity.com/sharedfiles/filedetails/?id=227693445

Is there a link to a download of cp_sunshine_rc1a.bsp ? or just cp_sunshine_rc1a.bsp.bz2