What do you guys think of the idea of hiding streams on the sidebar that aren't currently streaming TF2?
I was getting some complaints from new users saying that they were surprised how many streamers on TF.TV weren't streaming TF2. When I check websites like TeamLiquid and SoloMid, they hide all non-sc2/League streams.
If we don't want to take such a hard stance, we could take those sidebar-approved streams and put them into a separate category the same way we have it for TF2/DOTA 2/CS:GO.
What do you guys think of the idea of hiding streams on the sidebar that aren't currently streaming TF2?
I was getting some complaints from new users saying that they were surprised how many streamers on TF.TV weren't streaming TF2. When I check websites like TeamLiquid and SoloMid, they hide all non-sc2/League streams.
If we don't want to take such a hard stance, we could take those sidebar-approved streams and put them into a separate category the same way we have it for TF2/DOTA 2/CS:GO.
I can see it as an option, but there are a lot of really popular streamers like tagg, b4nny, (occasionally) ma3la that a lot of people would here, including me, will watch no matter what they're playing.
I can see it as an option, but there are a lot of really popular streamers like tagg, b4nny, (occasionally) ma3la that a lot of people would here, including me, will watch no matter what they're playing.
hide non-tf2 streams or put them into a separate expandable bracket
hide non-tf2 streams or put them into a separate expandable bracket
parkI can see it as an option, but there are a lot of really popular streamers like tagg, b4nny, (occasionally) ma3la that a lot of people would here, including me, will watch no matter what they're playing.
If they want to watch them, they can follow them for notifications.
Could make another category.
[quote=park]I can see it as an option, but there are a lot of really popular streamers like tagg, b4nny, (occasionally) ma3la that a lot of people would here, including me, will watch no matter what they're playing.[/quote]
If they want to watch them, they can follow them for notifications.
Could make another category.
Personally, I think it is fine the way it is.
If it irks a lot of people, a nice compromise could be to take the TF2 dropdown category and replace it with "Live Streams" as the feature list when you visit the site. However, I think it is necessary, as mentioned, to designate what currently shows in the "Live Streams" feature with it's own category. Something like "Popular Streamers," "TF2[or Community] Personalities," etc...
Personally, I think it is fine the way it is.
If it irks a lot of people, a nice compromise could be to take the TF2 dropdown category and replace it with "Live Streams" as the feature list when you visit the site. However, I think it is necessary, as mentioned, to designate what currently shows in the "Live Streams" feature with it's own category. Something like "Popular Streamers," "TF2[or Community] Personalities," etc...
I really don't think it's that big of a problem. If they aren't playing tf2, just go to another stream that is.
I really don't think it's that big of a problem. If they aren't playing tf2, just go to another stream that is.
it's fine the way it is
supports smaller streamers kinda i think
it's fine the way it is
supports smaller streamers kinda i think
The stream section strictly composed of tf2 streams is probably good enough.
The stream section strictly composed of tf2 streams is probably good enough.
I think care more about tf2 personalities than tf2 content
if b4nny is playing some csgo people still want to know
I think care more about tf2 personalities than tf2 content
if b4nny is playing some csgo people still want to know
dont do it unless the person is playing minecraft
dont do it unless the person is playing minecraft
I like this idea simply because if I wanna watch tf2, i go to tftv. If i want to watch other games I go to twitch and check the people im following.
I like this idea simply because if I wanna watch tf2, i go to tftv. If i want to watch other games I go to twitch and check the people im following.
Start tracking people and what they play, percentage of time playing tf2. Look at the list every few weeks and if someone isn't playing much tf at all manually remove them. Or have a two step process, everyone will show up if they are streaming tf2 but only approved personalities will show up when they aren't. That way rays can play his Nintendo or whatever and shade can play binding of Isaac but some random who no one really knows won't be able to leach viewers.
Start tracking people and what they play, percentage of time playing tf2. Look at the list every few weeks and if someone isn't playing much tf at all manually remove them. Or have a two step process, everyone will show up if they are streaming tf2 but only approved personalities will show up when they aren't. That way rays can play his Nintendo or whatever and shade can play binding of Isaac but some random who no one really knows won't be able to leach viewers.
there's a TF2 dropdown menu so I don't see how this is a problem
there's a TF2 dropdown menu so I don't see how this is a problem
It's fine the way it is. I like knowing when TF2 players are playing things other than TF2.
It's fine the way it is. I like knowing when TF2 players are playing things other than TF2.
I don't know if I'm being insane, but I remember streams being sorted by whether they are playing TF2 or not before - as in, the streams at the top are the ones streaming TF2, and any streamers with a different game would appear below it, potentially being hidden if there's a lot of live TF2.
I would prefer a solution like that - not outright removing, but somehow representing that they are streaming a different game.
I don't know if I'm being insane, but I remember streams being sorted by whether they are playing TF2 or not before - as in, the streams at the top are the ones streaming TF2, and any streamers with a different game would appear below it, potentially being hidden if there's a lot of live TF2.
I would prefer a solution like that - not outright removing, but somehow representing that they are streaming a different game.
If there is enough concern that people streaming aren't playing TF2 but still appearing on the sidebar, maybe look into how SRL does it?
They recently updated their site to include a sort of "auto-detect" feature (which has been in place for awhile admittedly, but they've recently become much more transparent about it), to where if you're on their approved list of streamers, then when you go live, the site checks your stream title for certain keywords. Words such as any%, attempts, practice, runs, routing, rtas, learning, etc., are considered "speed-run friendly" and as a result allow the stream to be displayed on the front page. Conversely, if you have the words/tag [nosrl], "lets play", casual, etc., then you're automatically removed from the front page.
They also give users to ability to edit their profile to switch from auto-detect mode, to always on the front page, to always hidden. Something like this would allow people who want to stream privately for a few friends or something the option to take themselves off of the site.
If TFTV adopted something like this, maybe some key words that could automatically be detected would be things such as scrim, dm, match, hl, 6s, pugs, pubs, etc., and then perhaps a "[notftv]" tag, or something similar that people could add to hide themselves if they weren't playing TF2?
That being said, I know that would be a bit of work to set up and code, and I'm fine with things the way they are. Just offering some potential solutions if it gets to be that big of a problem. I do think that the TF2 community is quite a bit smaller though, and hiding streams would make things difficult for a smaller streamer to grow their audience and introduce them to a variety of games when they'll only be shown to a select group of people when playing a single game.
Here's a bit more info on the SRL auto-detect feature:
http://puu.sh/cZt2g/d9b6c4ad74.jpg
If there is enough concern that people streaming aren't playing TF2 but still appearing on the sidebar, maybe look into how SRL does it?
They recently updated their site to include a sort of "auto-detect" feature (which has been in place for awhile admittedly, but they've recently become much more transparent about it), to where if you're on their approved list of streamers, then when you go live, the site checks your stream title for certain keywords. Words such as [b]any%[/b], [b]attempts[/b], [b]practice[/b], [b]runs[/b], [b]routing[/b], [b]rtas[/b], [b]learning[/b], etc., are considered "speed-run friendly" and as a result allow the stream to be displayed on the front page. Conversely, if you have the words/tag [b][nosrl][/b], [b]"lets play"[/b], [b]casual[/b], etc., then you're automatically removed from the front page.
They also give users to ability to edit their profile to switch from auto-detect mode, to always on the front page, to always hidden. Something like this would allow people who want to stream privately for a few friends or something the option to take themselves off of the site.
If TFTV adopted something like this, maybe some key words that could automatically be detected would be things such as [b]scrim[/b], [b]dm[/b], [b]match[/b], [b]hl[/b], [b]6s[/b], [b]pugs[/b], [b]pubs[/b], etc., and then perhaps a "[b][notftv][/b]" tag, or something similar that people could add to hide themselves if they weren't playing TF2?
That being said, I know that would be a bit of work to set up and code, and I'm fine with things the way they are. Just offering some potential solutions if it gets to be that big of a problem. I do think that the TF2 community is quite a bit smaller though, and hiding streams would make things difficult for a smaller streamer to grow their audience and introduce them to a variety of games when they'll only be shown to a select group of people when playing a single game.
Here's a bit more info on the SRL auto-detect feature:
[img]http://puu.sh/cZt2g/d9b6c4ad74.jpg[/img]
Would it be difficult to put a tiny icon of what they are playing next to their name on the sidebar, like
http://www.stuffcoins.com/images/items/5998.png
and
http://fc07.deviantart.net/fs47/i/2009/181/0/8/TF2_Custom_Icon_by_Giga_man.png
?
That would allow users to see what game b4nny, tagg, etc. are playing without having to use the tabs that are currently set up.
Edit: woah those are big but I don't know how to resize them, sorry for the eye-sore.
Would it be difficult to put a tiny icon of what they are playing next to their name on the sidebar, like
[img]http://www.stuffcoins.com/images/items/5998.png[/img]
and
[img]http://fc07.deviantart.net/fs47/i/2009/181/0/8/TF2_Custom_Icon_by_Giga_man.png[/img]
?
That would allow users to see what game b4nny, tagg, etc. are playing without having to use the tabs that are currently set up.
Edit: woah those are big but I don't know how to resize them, sorry for the eye-sore.
I think a lot of these suggestions are good. As long as we can still find non-TF2 streams from TFTV streamers somehow, I'm happy. Perhaps a TF2 Only filter that defaults to on.
I think a lot of these suggestions are good. As long as we can still find non-TF2 streams from TFTV streamers somehow, I'm happy. Perhaps a TF2 Only filter that defaults to on.
there already is a tf2 filter lol
i'm biased because i don't like watching tf2 streams but use the sidebar a lot to see when my friends are streaming
there already is a tf2 filter lol
i'm biased because i don't like watching tf2 streams but use the sidebar a lot to see when my friends are streaming
I'd much rather have the TF2 category dropdown be the default list.
I'd much rather have the TF2 category dropdown be the default list.
If you want to watch only TF2, THERE IS A GODDAMN TF2 SIDEBAR :D
If you want to watch only TF2, THERE IS A GODDAMN TF2 SIDEBAR :D
dont think its a problem at all however
the people who sign up accounts on the site to make like 1 post just to get their stream on the sidebar is wack
dont think its a problem at all however
the people who sign up accounts on the site to make like 1 post just to get their stream on the sidebar is wack
raysIf there is enough concern that people streaming aren't playing TF2 but still appearing on the sidebar, maybe look into how SRL does it?
They recently updated their site to include a sort of "auto-detect" feature (which has been in place for awhile admittedly, but they've recently become much more transparent about it), to where if you're on their approved list of streamers, then when you go live, the site checks your stream title for certain keywords. Words such as any%, attempts, practice, runs, routing, rtas, learning, etc., are considered "speed-run friendly" and as a result allow the stream to be displayed on the front page. Conversely, if you have the words/tag [nosrl], "lets play", casual, etc., then you're automatically removed from the front page.
They also give users to ability to edit their profile to switch from auto-detect mode, to always on the front page, to always hidden. Something like this would allow people who want to stream privately for a few friends or something the option to take themselves off of the site.
If TFTV adopted something like this, maybe some key words that could automatically be detected would be things such as scrim, dm, match, hl, 6s, pugs, pubs, etc., and then perhaps a "[notftv]" tag, or something similar that people could add to hide themselves if they weren't playing TF2?
That being said, I know that would be a bit of work to set up and code, and I'm fine with things the way they are. Just offering some potential solutions if it gets to be that big of a problem. I do think that the TF2 community is quite a bit smaller though, and hiding streams would make things difficult for a smaller streamer to grow their audience and introduce them to a variety of games when they'll only be shown to a select group of people when playing a single game.
Here's a bit more info on the SRL auto-detect feature:
http://puu.sh/cZt2g/d9b6c4ad74.jpg
when can we get this?
[quote=rays]If there is enough concern that people streaming aren't playing TF2 but still appearing on the sidebar, maybe look into how SRL does it?
They recently updated their site to include a sort of "auto-detect" feature (which has been in place for awhile admittedly, but they've recently become much more transparent about it), to where if you're on their approved list of streamers, then when you go live, the site checks your stream title for certain keywords. Words such as [b]any%[/b], [b]attempts[/b], [b]practice[/b], [b]runs[/b], [b]routing[/b], [b]rtas[/b], [b]learning[/b], etc., are considered "speed-run friendly" and as a result allow the stream to be displayed on the front page. Conversely, if you have the words/tag [b][nosrl][/b], [b]"lets play"[/b], [b]casual[/b], etc., then you're automatically removed from the front page.
They also give users to ability to edit their profile to switch from auto-detect mode, to always on the front page, to always hidden. Something like this would allow people who want to stream privately for a few friends or something the option to take themselves off of the site.
If TFTV adopted something like this, maybe some key words that could automatically be detected would be things such as [b]scrim[/b], [b]dm[/b], [b]match[/b], [b]hl[/b], [b]6s[/b], [b]pugs[/b], [b]pubs[/b], etc., and then perhaps a "[b][notftv][/b]" tag, or something similar that people could add to hide themselves if they weren't playing TF2?
That being said, I know that would be a bit of work to set up and code, and I'm fine with things the way they are. Just offering some potential solutions if it gets to be that big of a problem. I do think that the TF2 community is quite a bit smaller though, and hiding streams would make things difficult for a smaller streamer to grow their audience and introduce them to a variety of games when they'll only be shown to a select group of people when playing a single game.
Here's a bit more info on the SRL auto-detect feature:
[img]http://puu.sh/cZt2g/d9b6c4ad74.jpg[/img][/quote]
when can we get this?
I honestly think it's nice to be able to see non-tf2 streams, both to support smaller streamers and also because I like watching people I know/know of in the community playing different games as well. If I saw a high/prem player or IM/Invite player streaming a game I liked I'd probably tune in. It's nice to have that up there by default because I probably wouldn't see those streams if it wasn't.
I honestly think it's nice to be able to see non-tf2 streams, both to support smaller streamers and also because I like watching people I know/know of in the community playing different games as well. If I saw a high/prem player or IM/Invite player streaming a game I liked I'd probably tune in. It's nice to have that up there by default because I probably wouldn't see those streams if it wasn't.
I'm not sure why you feel its appropriate to compare TFTV to the Liquid or TSM sites, or how that's even a remotely valid thought.
I wanna know when my favorite progressive streamer, @WARHURYEAH, is streaming even if it's not TF2 so I can get the latest information about professional quality gaming gear through his high level analysis of mice and keyboards and know when he's posted the latest content on youtube.com account WARHURYEAH.
I'm not sure why you feel its appropriate to compare TFTV to the Liquid or TSM sites, or how that's even a remotely valid thought.
I wanna know when my favorite progressive streamer, @WARHURYEAH, is streaming even if it's not TF2 so I can get the latest information about professional quality gaming gear through his high level analysis of mice and keyboards and know when he's posted the latest content on youtube.com account WARHURYEAH.
the current sorted system is working absolutely fine by me.
the current sorted system is working absolutely fine by me.
Jhust get rid of people who don't stream tf2 normally. that seems like the best solution.
Jhust get rid of people who don't stream tf2 normally. that seems like the best solution.
[img]http://i.imgur.com/mPvOHhB.png[/img]
quintosh
when can we get this?
http://www.teamfortress.tv/15855/tag-to-delist-stream-from-tftv-temporarily
MR_SLINEngima's working on a change for the sidebar. Let's revisit this idea after he makes the change.
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[quote=quintosh]
when can we get this?[/quote]
http://www.teamfortress.tv/15855/tag-to-delist-stream-from-tftv-temporarily
[quote=MR_SLIN]Engima's working on a change for the sidebar. Let's revisit this idea after he makes the change.[/quote]
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