https://youtu.be/q3iQ1MeKxB4?t=7m6s
6's community sexualy attracted to 5cp maps???

I agree that having HL as the comp mode would be a logistical nightmare, and having both would split the playerbase.
He criticizes 5cp and mentions that the team who wins mid is the most likely to win. I have no idea how this is a bad or wierd thing in any way. After all, the 2nd and last points are exponentially faster to cap and make the whole gamemode have a nice momentum often. In the other hand, payload artificially slows the game down for everyone even if the disparity in skill between the two teams are quite high, since you have to constantly push that cart. Besides, most payload map have huge open spaces and were clearly not designed for low population servers.

even tapline doesn't fix this

http://www.vanillatf2.org/wp-content/uploads/2011/02/cp_gullywash_imp300012-e1298657646989.jpg

Oh baby look at that nipple.

:o i call everything that comes out of the ground a nipple.

I think we might be on to something, but i don't call badlands spire a nipple because that would be an incredibly long nipple and the last thing you want is your team discussing the social and self complications of having a nipple that long.

But on viaduct both of the rocks on middle are nipples and it makes more sense because they are opposite each other which directly resembles real nipples. Perhaps this goes a lot deeper that we thought...

Viaduct: 2 nipples
Gullywash: 1 nipple
Process: 4 nipples
Reckoner: 2 nipples

The remaining have no nipples, but there is a good amount of nipples present with process being the main offender.

In conclusion: remove process, save TF2 from 5cp???

I feel like this could be fixed by either a) having the cart push itself for a while after blu stops touching it, with it stopping after either someone from red standing in front of it or a certain amount of time elapsing without anyone on blu touching it or b) making new payload maps that are shorter and quicker to finish.

I really think that 5cp is a fun game mode, but it is not perfect and definitely prone to stalemates when the two teams playing it have equal skill levels, and I think pl could and should be played in 6s, albeit with some modifications (like the ones mentioned above)

War is the lighthouse on Sunshine a nipple or a spire

i think lighthouse is a nipple with those really long nipple tassles on it

It's not skill level that produces turtling, it's the preponderance of defensive classes that slow the game down and circumstances arising in which it can be in both team's interests to not fight, a minor example is the leading team defending last, trailing team holding outside building uber, or the really horrific case of the leading team holding outside last to burn the round timer to near zero before pushing and the defending team not wanting to push out because losing the round is worse than losing the time.

In PL or AD it's a constant last push, but at least the attackers never want to game a round timer.

The antidote is koth, where pushing is forced by the timer and players still get the excitement of switching rapidly between attacking and defending, but the number of good koth maps is small.

It's a straight up dong

why's tf people think there is something less stalematey than 6v6

i think its more that the defenders advantage in PL or AD are way bigger than in 6s. 6s gets stalematey because people have a lot to lose on a failed push but the actual advantage you need to push in 6s is lower than in game modes with a dedicated defense.

It's a lighthouse.

nipples aside I believe he was referring to the phallic symbol known as spire. we can witness this in the depraved mating ritual 'mge' where two males fight for domination, and '6s' which is essentially a full blown orgy

he forgot to mention the part where 90% of the community can't play comp mode with over 20 fps and everyone that can still doesn't feel good about cutting their fps in half. TF2 is a free game. Most TF2 players don't have a gaming pc. Most of them are just kids who play on their mom's laptops.
I'd say that's the biggest reason people don't want to play comp. The obvious solution is removing the forced graphics. Would increase the playerbase for comp by a lot. i'd definitely play it more often.
Having to carry fresh meat isn't really a problem as long as the other team are pubbers. The lack of class restrictions only really gets abused with 4-stacks or more on one team but you'll often lose to a stack regardless of their comp anyway if you're solo or duo queueing

didnt 2 guys fight over a girl+money and settled it in mge

At least he gets some of his criticisms of the current situation right: trying to figure out class limits that aren't what the current scene uses sucks, and 5cp isn't perfect. But even on those I think his reasoning as to why those are problems is flawed. For one, like so many other competitive Redditors, he seems to think that the 6s scene loves 5cp because it loves 5cp, which just hurts my brain. He completely fails to examine why 5cp has taken a front seat to the different forms of A/D. This is especially frustrating because he goes on to say that 5cp's central problem is stalemates on last, even though that's all A/D is! One team turtles while the other panics about sacing people to beat it quickly or bringing out the sniper to beat it reliably. It's one last hold after another. And then once that stalemate breaks, it starts all over again on the next point. He says that the A/D games he plays are always so unpredictable--like he thinks that just because the pubbers in mm don't know how A/D is played, no one does. It's really a shame.

um and also he also says something about not liking 5cp because it's all he ever plays on valve mm, which is just... what?

His other claim is that class limits of one don't work because trolls. While that can be a problem, trolls aren't really going to be any less of a problem with a class limit of two. You're still down a dude all the time. The people who are bad enough to throw tantrums when they can't play heavy generally aren't all that good at heavy, either. In reality, the 1-limit doesn't work because (surprise!) stalemates. With people already on scout and soldier, the next classes picked (because they are the next closest to generalists) are heavy and sniper.

I also have to make the inevitable OW comparison and point out that even in pubs, OW has a limit of one now. Why on Earth does Dane think trolls aren't a problem with the 1-limit system there, but are here?

yea i remember that shit, the $1000 dollar mge match.
they were pretty bad too. I was watching it thinking welp I'd 20-0 either of these guys, yet they still have the balls to put up a grand

this is hilarious

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NOJbgDlt3gw

Man I totally forgot that this shit happened. Why don't we get drama like this anymore?

On another note, holy fuck i need to stop reading these fucking reddit threads....

If only the phorofor-rando beef was ended this way

OW has multiple classes that do similar things?

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do u even have ears

Not trying to vouch for Dane's point cause it does seem weak but to be fair Overwatch has more options when it comes to classes, so if someone really wants to play a tank that badly they have about 6 options. In TF2, if you wanna be a Heavy and someone is already playing friendly hoovy, you're kinda railed.

Decent enough video. I also enjoy 20 minute wait times to play with a team of rank 1s against maybe 4 rank 12s and some rank 5s, or hackers.

I do still think that getting people playing Valve comp could be good for proper comp, EVEN IF it's not the exact same format we do (so, 1 class limit, slightly different modes, etc).

Getting pubbers playing a 6 v 6 comp format is at least some kind of step towards getting people into proper comp.
Sure, some will only ever want to play engie, but the more people that are playing it, the more people who get exposed to some level of comp and are likely to pursue it in what we deem the proper format. If Valve's mode is workable but still leaves people wanting more, that's still beneficial I think.

A terrifying suggestion: limit unlocks, not classes, including stock

Heya man, I'm looking for as much feedback as possible for the latest version of the map. If you have any suggestions you'd like to make, please let me know in this thread: http://www.teamfortress.tv/39474/pl-tapline