Someone already has, but you aren't going to like the answer.

https://tinyurl.com/y9oqzxk2

I don't mind the answer, more the maps, whitelists and class limits or lack thereof.

Face it

Mixchamp should be revived if pugchamp is to come back.

I hate pugchamp
Months of complaining
Face it comes out with new pug system
This system sucks, nothing was ever wrong with pugchamp
I wonder what is next in this chain of events

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every pug system we stray further and further from the best one we ever had

irc

my favorite tf2pl ban so far. "ineffective offclassing"

https://i.imgur.com/X27VbVN.jpg

guess which one is me. also our medic switched to sniper after like two minutes. good stuff.

never actually used pugchamp because i assumed no one would pick me but i think i'll queue up later tonight.

ADD UP NOW 10/12

NA PUGCHAMP NOW

NOW

THANKS

I am well aware why people are complaining about each system. It's just funny to me how upset people are about everything all the time. You lose quality to play more guaranteed games in FaceIT. On PugChamp you risk missing out on games and play less games overall to have a higher average quality of game. These points are obvious.

As someone who has pugged since the IRC days, most pugs are pretty fun. I'll play whatever is being played but I find it offputting how upset people have gotten over pug systems throughout the history of TF2.

Will you give me art lessons ? Cause the picture you just painted is fucking astonishing.

https://www.faceit.com/en/tf2/room/1-89cbb9fb-0f45-44c2-9832-6f192f36af18/scoreboard

https://i.imgur.com/cEpwkVw.png

https://i.imgur.com/8uAuS6M.png

If you watch the demo, and I think you should learn from your mistakes, you will realize that you've decided to feed as soldier five times in a row, then started feeding as pyro (I think you've played 10 minutes of pyro and 17 of soldier?), then your whole team tilted.
What you should have done is: keep a level-head for more than 5 minutes, report the scout who ended up +lefting in spawn so he wouldn't get auto-kicked for AFK, and not assume pocket heals when all you'd be doing is let your medic die after feeding. Five wrongs don't make a right.

Have fun :) !

qsd

oh yeah i was def drunk. beginner is only tolerable drunk. but yeah if feeding = top damaging the server while continually sacking to try to equalize our uber disad (since we had no medic) and make a 4v6 interesting then yeah i will have fun. thx

I’ve reported you at least 20 times just for offclassing and not using your mic, glad you got banned

best thing about tf2pl for me is that the admins actually ban people who play pyro half the game, this never happened with pugchamp

It did but a meme was born...

http://www.teamfortress.tv/44871/olgha-getting-ban-for-being-good

I honestly don't think it would work as well now, but I really enjoyed the #tf2mix system. It would alternate between a pug with captains, and then one where you could add up on specific classes till 12 people were added up. If you didn't like the teams you could scramble them. This was good good because you could have higher level pugs as well as fatkid pugs at any point in the day. Also the game wasn't dead then so that helped lol.

People don't realize the value of what they once had until it's gone.

both are bad but pugchamp is the lesser of 2 evils not gonna lie

funny how this was the complete opposite of my faceit experience, there was waaaay less pugs on faceit than on pugchamp

Im going to tell everyone a story, back from the days when TF2 had a brighter future and we collectively ruined it.

ever since ESEA's inclusion to league play in TF2, the community has constantly shot itself in the foot by frivolously creating our own platforms for literally anything at all instead of using platforms created for us by said big leagues (in this earlier case, ESEA), we want our own pug systems, we want our own forums, we want our own rules, we want our own leagues, we want we want we want. All TF2 has ever done is failed to cooperate with its only major chance at being successful and what is happening right now with this witch hunt on faceit's pug system is the exact same thing all over again.

It started 8 years ago when Torbull begged the invite TF2 players to encourage use of their pug systems (a major source of revenue for them) which if it gained popularity, would have directly benefitted TF2. it was attempted multiple times with the same issues as this; people complaining the system isn't good enough and their own system was better. But the question people need to start asking themselves is what is really better? A community run system that is a little better, or the system that is new and needs some work that is actually attached to some form of system that could benefit TF2 in the long run.

The reality is; PugChamp will not do anything for TF2 in the long run, Faceit will. I would really advise on not repeating the mistakes of our past when a major company has stepped into the light and attempted to help TF2 and put TF2 on their radar. This community needs a major culture change in terms of attitude towards league run systems instead of defaulting to short term relief for inferior pug systems, it has been the attitude that has plagued this community for almost 8 years now.

Please think about what you are doing.

Reminder that FaceIT directly worked with Valve (and other tournament organizers) to help them do their Dota Qualifies, and has sponsored a Counter Strike Major.

Give Me My TF2 Major

this is too true, too real. everyone needs to read this imo

completely agree with lucrative

faceit has really annoying problems with it, but the upside of it is massive

Sorry, we'll definitely get to it, I want to uphold a decent level of transparency, we've mostly just been very busy.

And made the TF2 team update the in-game voice codecs :)

twiiku responds to a lot of them i think

Yeah, no kidding.

We can Post on TFTV, and Facepuch, and Reddit, and The Steam Community Forums; and we Bitch, and Scream, and Curse, and Complain, as much as we damn well feel about this or that change, or this or that feature; and Valve will never see it as anything more then a bunch of autistic screeching by a bunch of entitled brats. And yet FaceIT can discreetly send them one little E-Mail politely asking them to make 1 little change to the game and its updated in less then a week. DOES NO ONE UNDERSTAND THE OPPORTUNITY BEING PRESENTED TO US RIGHT NOW?! We've been forced to ride around on a 3 legged, mangy dog for basically this entire's game existence and here comes along FaceIT with a beautiful Stallion and we aren't so much as looking it in the mouth as dissecting it into a bloody pulp...

^Read it. Understand it. Embrace it. Become one with it.

If only there were some form of popular figurehead to publicly respond to feedback.... Almost like a chief executive officer of the tf2 pro league who knows what is going on behind the scenes and is able to mobilize people to actually work on problems and has a public area to answer concerns and had the motivation to help improve the community.

lucrative's story definitely made me feel worse about liking pugchamp, but you're asking people who play the game for fun to have less fun on an objectively worse system for no benefit to themselves. Someone needs to outline what the future of faceit and how far faceit is willing to change themselves because we literally can't change some of the problems. CS:GO queuing in TF2 doesn't work. TF2 might just be too different to piggyback off of CS:GO infrastructure. In my opinion the ideal pug system is pugchamp built into faceit so people can queue on classes they want to play and faceit makes it so games don't take 15 minutes to start.

also people being tryhard cuz elo gives me ladder anxiety lol

my argument would probably be that if you like playing tf2 and you're actually good at it that tf2 progressing in some way benefits you in the most direct way possible