I don't have the best understanding of etf2l, but from what I've seen there are many rosters where the entire team is "Leaders," so calling him a "representative of the team" because of that seems disingenuous. This seems especially unfair to the rest of the bin considering they had Pred sub for 1 match in week 3 and they're losing 50% of their winnings, meanwhile se7en had Credu play for 5 weeks and upper bracket round 1 with a scattergun named "Nignog Neutralizer" (with swastikas) and a sniper named "jewsmasher.exe" and they're receiving no punishment or deduction in prize money.

I understand that this is a joke, but one thing to remember is that no matter how awful something someone said to someone else is, it does not warrant violence towards them, and threats of violence should be taken seriously.

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Are you absolutely KIDDING me Mr.Epic?
Guys, I don't think it's only Pred and degu we need to be worried about.

I dont understand how a comment in twitter warrants a ban in etf2l, specially degu's one
i thought the "toxicity" bans were restricted to officials
this all seems like just a ball of shit that got bigger and bigger as people got more heated up and emotional
please specifiy in the rules that players can be banned for anything they say out of the game :\

You're forgetting about Degu also being on the Bin Black. he was tagged up as Bin.ngr during a casted official this season. losing the winnings is justified regardless of Pred's position within the team. They're lucky they still get half.

I agree about Credu. Kaidus actually pointed it out during thaigr's stream yesterday after reading the comment on the thread. Comms just kinda fell quiet because they didn't know what to say about it. Don't think they knew about it (most people have item details turned off so not an unrealistic assumption. I have no clue what any renames are of my team's items except my medic's medigun. For all I know they have racist names as well). I'll leave it to the ETF2L admins to make a decision about that. Them not knowing about the names isn't an excuse. They should take responsibility for it

Uberchain's a lovely person and it was very brave of her to speak out about what happened. That said, all degu meant by the image, as he explained in several follow up tweets, was that he didn't think twitter was the place to talk about that kind of thing and that she should go to the police instead. I don't agree with him, but he wasn't 'dismissing' anything that she had gone through. I think a two month ban for that is ridiculous.

Also if you think 'liking' a tweet automatically means you endorse what it contains you're simply wrong.

is it seriously that hard to ban people who are transphobic, homophobic, racist, etc.?? is it really THAT hard??

What a fucking joke

I'm not hating on Uberchain here, even though people lacking basic reading skills will surely think I am, however it's retarded that ETF2L and especially this community have ignored similar situations in the past and only now reacted to it because it is Uberchain. People talking about this never being acceptable under any circumstance are the same people that wouldn't have given a fuck if Pred and Degu would've harassed personXYZ instead, even if personXYZ would call them out for it publicly. This community surely isn't going to be better if people only care about a select few instead of everyone. Again, what a joke.

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u can start by naming some

Don't forget islamophobic people.

people mad ab etf2l's awesome example and mad ab alex jones is giving me life rn

Please, people only starting to care now that Uberchain has been a victim only confirms that people didn't give a shit about this matter in the first place

Do you really think that a 2 month ban for something that was completely unrelated to TF2 and basically consisted of posting an edgy boi log off image warrants it?

Pred unfortunately you are indefensible.

Congrats ETF2L though your standing with the virtue signallers is high.

you're still free to name whenever someone's been harassed, they've reported it to the admins and it's gone unpunished, otherwise you might as well stop pretending to be the saint that sees the big picture where admins are only biased towards certain people

Honestly feels like Degu got banned simply because they're riding the tide of public sentiment, which should be reconsidered. Pred's ban is justified, however I feel like taking prize money is going a bit too far. I do understand that they're trying their best to set an example with Pred's ban being so extreme, however. Also for people complaining about Credu's renames, are we going to start banning everyone who bought "jewkiller.exe" off the SCM and didn't bother to rename it?

as someone who has experienced racism institutionally and personally as well as on this website, yea im not upset that he's being held accountable for his actions

I doubt that. If that was really the case, what he could've done is instead asked her if she's filed a report yet. Besides, how is anyone supposed to get "You should talk to authorities instead of posting this on Twitter" from an image containing just a log off button?

I very well could be wrong there and I definitely don't think this is always the case, but I don't know how to interpret it in this scenario as anything else than agreeing with what he said, letalone as a disagreement with the tweet.

Held accountable for his actions? So if I post the same log off image to you now are you suggesting it warrants a 2 month ban?

I partially agree with you here (although of course it's going to have attention driven to it due to Uber's status in the community). I hope this does mark a change where we change this ridiculous status-quo (e.g we're deal with this stuff no matter who you are). Too many people have been hurt/driven out of our game by this awful harassment going unchecked.

As I've said previously, talking about it is us taking the first step, our foot is in the door.

if dude is openly racist im not gonna change my mind and neither are you so stop @ing me

Did you read the thread??? The majority of posts i saw were people reprimanding pred and degu and also having discussion on what would be a fair punishment. Debate over wether someone should be banned from a team fortress 2 league for posting an insensitive image on twitter does not mean that they are angry that they don't get to be racist. Don't try to take some high ground and act all dismissive without reading the damn thread. Tons of posts of people coming forward and sharing their experiences with abuse, solutions and statements being pushed from our community leaders/figureheads and discussion on the topic all warrant the thread having 500 posts. If we just say "racism is bad lol end thread" we are ignoring the issue and it will continue to be prevalent in our community.

Haven't been following it that closely, but I have not seen any evidence of degu being openly racist?

Love the straw man you are constructing that I am now supposedly supporting a racist because I disagree with an ETF2L action.

Get fucked kid.

It's more than just setting an example, Pred's friends and teammates affected by this are likely to not want to play with him again.

i bid on 2 amg c63s coupes today, nothing you say is going to change my mind, fuck with my mood, or make me think you're not a fucboi. Hope life starts treating you better, kid.

This happened numerous times on TFTV, Twitter and even their own website. I don't see why I should name these situations. My point is that people did not care previously. You imply that ETF2L punished these kind of people before, but consider that a minor warning for flaming isn't the same as a deduction in prize money plus a 2-month and a 12-month ban. The site treated this kind of harassment pretty lightly, but I don't see why only now it's justified that they get excluded from the competition and a 50% prize deduction because it happened to Uberchain instead of Mr. Dude123. This decision is HIGHLY biased and the punishments are only this heavy because it is a well known person.

Hahaha, what a top-tier post, not going to derail the thread anymore, but I highly enjoyed this.

Hope you enjoy your TWO AMG c63 coupes.

While situations like this in the past may have not gotten anywhere near this level of attention and outcry, I’m glad this one did. I’d rather every toxic idiot who does stuff like this get called out than no one get called out and our community just accept it. Everything has to start somewhere.

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yeah i bet all the 7 players and circlejerkers just "didnt notice" when they tell other people to kill themselves or call them autistic or display jewsmashers and nignogs getting sent to the shadow realm on their steam profile, just an oversight.

if you're gonna apply punishments, apply them equally to everyone :)

So what do you think SHOULD have happened? Should we just have given Degu and Pred a slap on the wrists? What about the next time something like this happens? Wrist slapped again? When should we actually start caring about how the community interacts with each other and the outside world?