idk

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buff stock but make all the projectile models larger to match

https://clips.twitch.tv/DiligentBlushingCaribouDxAbomb-kjssrin2EQEPIdrn

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ban iron bomber ban winger :pray:

if iron bomber's hitbox gets fixed u just use stock forever gg

i still feel like im either an insane person or one of few sane people for wanting this unlock to be banned lmao

if mak wins demo of the season u know u have to ban iron bombe

NS

"buff stock" argument is so stupid it doesn't even make sense lol
Stock works how it's supposed to, can't say the same for iron bomber --> fix iron bomber (never gonna happen anyway ;D )

Just nerf the rollers. The bigger hitbox is fine because a lot of demomen desperately need it but it's ludicrous that the short fuse time often rewards them for missing what is already easy to hit.

Lol what the fuck? So basically what you're saying is it's totally fine to have a grenade launcher with a much larger and so much easier-to-hit hitbox than stock because a lot of demomen desperately need it?

manifesting an iron bomber ban so niggas can stop asking me about why im the only person who uses stock every waking moment i play this game

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Please fix the hitbox or ban iron bomber this shit is retarded how a weapon with double the pipe hitbox size is allowed. I'm sick of pipes grazing my big toe and getting fragged because of it.

amazingairshot.dem

twiikuu made a fix for the pipe size a while ago its just not used

sm_override_pipe_size

https://github.com/ldesgoui/tf2-comp-fixes

Trade offer: iron bomber for old stickies

this might be a weird take, but is demo really too strong because of "easier to hit" pipes? I get that stock is harder to hit and all but is demo really op compared to the other classes (fix would essentially nerf demo to some extent)?

From what i can tell most high div games mostly see the scouts carrying. Just because something doesn't work the way it was intended to be it doesn't mean it's too strong right?

scouts r only guaranteed to carry in divs below the top level lmfao. top level games r decided by soldiers most of the time, even if the scouts r the ones dat benefit on stats.

It's not about it being OP or not. (It is, but plenty of weapons are "op" like the medigun, sniper rifle, crossbow and sticky bomb launcher). It's about it being unfun/borderline unfair to play against since you can dodge the shots but they hit you anyway because the model is a fraction the size of the hitbox. Arrow hitbox is like this too, it's a homing projectile basically.

Also gonna say I like the rollers, I'm really not a fan of chaos rollers stock pipes give.

all i see is cope!

hold on why tf dont we use this, does anyone have an actual argument for not using it?
the tradeoff between pipes that roll and ones that dont roll is interesting in itself, it changes on the map im sure, would be interesting to see more variety in the game

demo isn't even oppressive with bugged pipes, shit class

the gun is just a magnet

i dont think its convincing to post clips showing ib pipes connecting without hitting the actual models because it seems more a result of projectiles using different hitboxes than hitscan

https://external-content.duckduckgo.com/iu/?u=https%3A%2F%2Fi.ytimg.com%2Fvi%2F1wGcNzFd3as%2Fmaxresdefault.jpg&f=1&nofb=1

whether you want iron bomber or stock changed in any way i think thats fair but i dont think posting "how did this hit" clips is really useful

GitHub user bodolaz146 did implement this actually, but yeah it was ready for ETF2L S40

ban this sick filth

Honestly I think there's 2 reasons you might want to ban the iron bomber.
1. You think that demomen being able to hit pipes more consistently detracts from the overall game in some way (makes spam too easy, and pushing chokes harder) which could be a fair argument.
2. You think that the iron bomber should be banned because airshots with stock look way cooler.

I am firmly in the second camp and think this is a much more compelling argument for removing the weapon from play.

Edit: oh yeah theres the thing where it looks like its a mile off as well but tbh ive experienced that plenty of times with stock pipes and the loch n load is even worse.

mustardoverlord said the same thing in another thread and I'd like an explanation of why this is the case. I can see this being true because your soldiers are usually the ones who get your team into a situation where you can start winning but I want your take on it.