so no answer will make u happy but also he has to give every rando in his dms a full PR answer on behalf of the admin team which he isnt a part of. he needs to change the league (in some unspecific way) to have his understaffed teams do the things you want them to do immediately every time otherwise he doesnt care about this thing he paid many thousands of dollars for.
do u think hes just really stupid? or a deeply evil person? or maybe things just work differently than u understand/want and an effectively 0 profit organization might be slow or inaccurate about some things
so no answer will make u happy but also he has to give every rando in his dms a full PR answer on behalf of the admin team which he isnt a part of. he needs to change the league (in some unspecific way) to have his understaffed teams do the things you want them to do immediately every time otherwise he doesnt care about this thing he paid many thousands of dollars for.
do u think hes just really stupid? or a deeply evil person? or maybe things just work differently than u understand/want and an effectively 0 profit organization might be slow or inaccurate about some things
hannahguys what did safrix do
its some kosovo type shit you dont wanna know.
[quote=hannah]guys what did safrix do[/quote]
its some kosovo type shit you dont wanna know.
Is it feasible to make a mod or plugin for the TF2 client that auto uploads POV demos from mp_tournament games to an independent public hosting website? Similar to the demos.tf website and server plugin
An independent solution could be more useful than expecting the league to invest its time, money, and staff into a public service for POVs and have staff collect <as many files as are requested> over discord, in increasing quantities every week. If I were an admin I think I would quickly become tired of this data entry cycle
If this was technically viable it could aid players in spotting cheaters sooner because 1) POVs are better for detecting cheats and 2) players that take issue with publicizing their POVs this way are broadcasting that they may have something to hide
Is it feasible to make a mod or plugin for the TF2 client that auto uploads POV demos from mp_tournament games to an independent public hosting website? Similar to the demos.tf website and server plugin
An independent solution could be more useful than expecting the league to invest its time, money, and staff into a public service for POVs and have staff collect <as many files as are requested> over discord, in increasing quantities every week. If I were an admin I think I would quickly become tired of this data entry cycle
If this was technically viable it could aid players in spotting cheaters sooner because 1) POVs are better for detecting cheats and 2) players that take issue with publicizing their POVs this way are broadcasting that they may have something to hide
HighImpactDolphinIs it feasible to make a mod or plugin for the TF2 client...
To make it, sure, to get it signed by Valve so it can be used on VAC servers, probably not. You'd also be looking for someone to ingest 12-18x the amount of data demos.tf gets.
[quote=HighImpactDolphin]Is it feasible to make a mod or plugin for the TF2 client...[/quote]
To make it, sure, to get it signed by Valve so it can be used on VAC servers, probably not. You'd also be looking for someone to ingest 12-18x the amount of data demos.tf gets.
There is such a gap between what the community expects out of AC vs what its actually capable of. I am not affiliated with AC in any way, but my understanding is that the methods for catching cheaters in TF2 are still in the stone age. VAC doesn't work, we don't play on any sort of client, server side AC solutions do almost nothing. There may be tools available to staff that are better than the eye test, but I doubt they're much better.
What do you guys actually want here? For staff to act immediately on every video compilation of STV demos? I am pretty convinced that these players are cheating, but how would you feel if community consensus was the bar for major bans? I feel like if they did that there would be equivalent backlash to what we're seeing now. Barring some massive improvement in anticheat tech, I just don't see this problem getting better and I do not think RGL is at fault.
We're just at a point in TF2's lifecycle that when you sign up to play a season of competitive TF2 you should know there's a 50% chance there's going to be cheaters, they're going to be fairly blatant but not blatant enough to be confidently banned, and that its going to take a small volunteer staff banging two rocks together quite some time to build a satisfactory case against them. That sucks.
There is such a gap between what the community expects out of AC vs what its actually capable of. I am not affiliated with AC in any way, but my understanding is that the methods for catching cheaters in TF2 are still in the stone age. VAC doesn't work, we don't play on any sort of client, server side AC solutions do almost nothing. There may be tools available to staff that are better than the eye test, but I doubt they're much better.
What do you guys actually want here? For staff to act immediately on every video compilation of STV demos? I am pretty convinced that these players are cheating, but how would you feel if community consensus was the bar for major bans? I feel like if they did that there would be equivalent backlash to what we're seeing now. [b]Barring some massive improvement in anticheat tech, I just don't see this problem getting better[/b] and I do not think RGL is at fault.
We're just at a point in TF2's lifecycle that when you sign up to play a season of competitive TF2 you should know there's a 50% chance there's going to be cheaters, they're going to be fairly blatant but not blatant enough to be confidently banned, and that its going to take a small volunteer staff banging two rocks together quite some time to build a satisfactory case against them. That sucks.
enthrowGood post.
Sadly a lot of what you’re saying is true. Even back in the esea era there were people cheating on client in intermediate and invite. Remember bullet? Perfection? Cukei?
Apathy isn’t the answer to this problem, but there also isn’t a clear solution outside of that. Having the community decide bans would be disastrous, but the current solution leads to derailed playoffs every other season. Just a tough era in the games history.
[quote=enthrow]Good post.[/quote]
Sadly a lot of what you’re saying is true. Even back in the esea era there were people cheating on client in intermediate and invite. Remember bullet? Perfection? Cukei?
Apathy isn’t the answer to this problem, but there also isn’t a clear solution outside of that. Having the community decide bans would be disastrous, but the current solution leads to derailed playoffs every other season. Just a tough era in the games history.
Just force people to upload pov demos on request the guy who's about to win advanced has this as his 3rd log ever LOL https://logs.tf/1975500#76561198806014294
Just force people to upload pov demos on request the guy who's about to win advanced has this as his 3rd log ever LOL https://logs.tf/1975500#76561198806014294
if like 95% of the people in the division who have to play someone think that person is cheating they should probably just get autobanned tbh. basically everyone who's been witch hunted over the past few years was actually cheating lol.
if like 95% of the people in the division who have to play someone think that person is cheating they should probably just get autobanned tbh. basically everyone who's been witch hunted over the past few years was actually cheating lol.
jetzif like 95% of the people in the division who have to play someone think that person is cheating they should probably just get autobanned tbh. basically everyone who's been witch hunted over the past few years was actually cheating lol.
I don't know about autobanned, but you have a point. If the eye test is playing a huge role in determining the outcome of cheating cases anyways it makes sense to have more qualified eyes involved in the decision. Input from the players in an accused player's division could be leveraged more than it is. I'm not comfortable having it be the only metric, or even a majority metric, but I'd be curious to know if other active players besides yourself disagree on that point.
[quote=jetz]if like 95% of the people in the division who have to play someone think that person is cheating they should probably just get autobanned tbh. basically everyone who's been witch hunted over the past few years was actually cheating lol.[/quote]
I don't know about autobanned, but you have a point. If the eye test is playing a huge role in determining the outcome of cheating cases anyways it makes sense to have more qualified eyes involved in the decision. Input from the players in an accused player's division could be leveraged more than it is. I'm not comfortable having it be the only metric, or even a majority metric, but I'd be curious to know if other active players besides yourself disagree on that point.
i dont trust even invite players’ eye test. there have been some hackused players in invite over the last few years (none ever found cheating/banned), i’ve seen the reports, there might be some truth to it all but i’ve also seen some of the same people prove themselves later on lan, people are very quick to assume any fast improving player is cheating
i dont trust even invite players’ eye test. there have been some hackused players in invite over the last few years (none ever found cheating/banned), i’ve seen the reports, there might be some truth to it all but i’ve also seen some of the same people prove themselves later on lan, people are very quick to assume any fast improving player is cheating
trippai dont trust even invite players’ eye test. there have been some hackused players in invite over the last few years (none ever found cheating/banned), i’ve seen the reports, there might be some truth to it all but i’ve also seen some of the same people prove themselves later on lan, people are very quick to assume any fast improving player is cheating
who other than howard
[quote=trippa]i dont trust even invite players’ eye test. there have been some hackused players in invite over the last few years (none ever found cheating/banned), i’ve seen the reports, there might be some truth to it all but i’ve also seen some of the same people prove themselves later on lan, people are very quick to assume any fast improving player is cheating[/quote]
who other than howard
enthrowThere is such a gap between what the community expects out of AC vs what its actually capable of. I am not affiliated with AC in any way, but my understanding is that the methods for catching cheaters in TF2 are still in the stone age. VAC doesn't work, we don't play on any sort of client, server side AC solutions do almost nothing. There may be tools available to staff that are better than the eye test, but I doubt they're much better.
it's funny too when people get mad that cukei and cray aren't banned despite everyone knowing they're cheating because whether people realize it not that's just asking for time and resources to get taken away from moderating active players in order to do a PR takedown of inactive ones
mmrarktewho other than howard
let's not forget how recently tftv was utterly convinced sin karma was cheating
[quote=enthrow]There is such a gap between what the community expects out of AC vs what its actually capable of. I am not affiliated with AC in any way, but my understanding is that the methods for catching cheaters in TF2 are still in the stone age. VAC doesn't work, we don't play on any sort of client, server side AC solutions do almost nothing. There may be tools available to staff that are better than the eye test, but I doubt they're much better.[/quote]
it's funny too when people get mad that cukei and cray aren't banned despite everyone knowing they're cheating because whether people realize it not that's just asking for time and resources to get taken away from moderating active players in order to do a PR takedown of inactive ones
[quote=mmrarkte]
who other than howard[/quote]
let's not forget how recently tftv was utterly convinced sin karma was cheating
mmrarkteJust force people to upload pov demos on request the guy who's about to win advanced has this as his 3rd log ever LOL https://logs.tf/1975500#76561198806014294
I don't mean to start a witch hunt, maybe someone with a better eye for this can chime in... does this look like triggerbotting to anyone else?
https://www.twitch.tv/firesidecasts/clip/InventiveSeductiveLasagnaDuDudu-mTrNdbw1Ghb8dMy2?filter=clips&range=24hr&sort=time
[quote=mmrarkte]Just force people to upload pov demos on request the guy who's about to win advanced has this as his 3rd log ever LOL https://logs.tf/1975500#76561198806014294[/quote]
I don't mean to start a witch hunt, maybe someone with a better eye for this can chime in... does this look like triggerbotting to anyone else?
https://www.twitch.tv/firesidecasts/clip/InventiveSeductiveLasagnaDuDudu-mTrNdbw1Ghb8dMy2?filter=clips&range=24hr&sort=time
UGC loves insta banning people off these threads to try and score easy clout since they know no one will remember or care enough to complain about a UGC ban if it ends up being false or unprovable accusation
im sure your free league’s AC team is much better than RGL’s and ur not just cynically farming like 30 +frags
UGC loves insta banning people off these threads to try and score easy clout since they know no one will remember or care enough to complain about a UGC ban if it ends up being false or unprovable accusation
im sure your free league’s AC team is much better than RGL’s and ur not just cynically farming like 30 +frags
It seems pretty clear that the RGL AC is overworked and because of this is unable to process the amount of cheating reports in a manner that gets everything done in a timely manner (eg. before playoffs). Would people be against sacrificing some of the prize pool in each div to allow RGL to pay people to do AC? That would (hopefully) increase the number of people working in that department and allow the reports to be dealt with more quickly. The prize pools are already small anyway, and playing with cheaters ruins the experience for like the entire div. Just a thought.
It seems pretty clear that the RGL AC is overworked and because of this is unable to process the amount of cheating reports in a manner that gets everything done in a timely manner (eg. before playoffs). Would people be against sacrificing some of the prize pool in each div to allow RGL to pay people to do AC? That would (hopefully) increase the number of people working in that department and allow the reports to be dealt with more quickly. The prize pools are already small anyway, and playing with cheaters ruins the experience for like the entire div. Just a thought.
i feel kinda bad for AC cause i guarantee 99% of what they look at is low level highlander demos and who tf wants to watch that shit for hours on end
i feel kinda bad for AC cause i guarantee 99% of what they look at is low level highlander demos and who tf wants to watch that shit for hours on end
etf2l tell us your secrets of running a functioning league
etf2l tell us your secrets of running a functioning league
why don't u just beat the cheaters iwth the powers of friendship and teamwork
why don't u just beat the cheaters iwth the powers of friendship and teamwork
bc the secret sauce to those anime is that the main character is actually winning with the power of genetics
bc the secret sauce to those anime is that the main character is actually winning with the power of genetics
[img]https://i.imgur.com/kzfs2QH.png[/img]
gg
enthrowThere is such a gap between what the community expects out of AC vs what its actually capable of. I am not affiliated with AC in any way, but my understanding is that the methods for catching cheaters in TF2 are still in the stone age. VAC doesn't work, we don't play on any sort of client, server side AC solutions do almost nothing. There may be tools available to staff that are better than the eye test, but I doubt they're much better.
What do you guys actually want here? For staff to act immediately on every video compilation of STV demos? I am pretty convinced that these players are cheating, but how would you feel if community consensus was the bar for major bans? I feel like if they did that there would be equivalent backlash to what we're seeing now. Barring some massive improvement in anticheat tech, I just don't see this problem getting better and I do not think RGL is at fault.
We're just at a point in TF2's lifecycle that when you sign up to play a season of competitive TF2 you should know there's a 50% chance there's going to be cheaters, they're going to be fairly blatant but not blatant enough to be confidently banned, and that its going to take a small volunteer staff banging two rocks together quite some time to build a satisfactory case against them. That sucks.
You ask a good question- what people actually want. This is my take though- Idk about you, but like, the thread and all the accusations came out all around the same time, publicly, that is, and it has been less than a week since that happened. It was responded to pretty damn quickly imo. This, of course, is after a major thread that has everyone talking about it, but I don't think that that is a huge problem, really? I mean, sometimes the AC team is gonna screw up and miss something, if it does, the community is gonna cry out about it clearly, but if kryma wasn't already in AC's sights, then the threads put him there. Seems to be working as intended to me. AC does what they can with reports, which I imagine is a ton of work, and when something gets through, you get an immediate reaction from all the players in the div wanting to fix it.
[quote=enthrow]There is such a gap between what the community expects out of AC vs what its actually capable of. I am not affiliated with AC in any way, but my understanding is that the methods for catching cheaters in TF2 are still in the stone age. VAC doesn't work, we don't play on any sort of client, server side AC solutions do almost nothing. There may be tools available to staff that are better than the eye test, but I doubt they're much better.
What do you guys actually want here? For staff to act immediately on every video compilation of STV demos? I am pretty convinced that these players are cheating, but how would you feel if community consensus was the bar for major bans? I feel like if they did that there would be equivalent backlash to what we're seeing now. [b]Barring some massive improvement in anticheat tech, I just don't see this problem getting better[/b] and I do not think RGL is at fault.
We're just at a point in TF2's lifecycle that when you sign up to play a season of competitive TF2 you should know there's a 50% chance there's going to be cheaters, they're going to be fairly blatant but not blatant enough to be confidently banned, and that its going to take a small volunteer staff banging two rocks together quite some time to build a satisfactory case against them. That sucks.[/quote]
You ask a good question- what people actually want. This is my take though- Idk about you, but like, the thread and all the accusations came out all around the same time, publicly, that is, and it has been less than a week since that happened. It was responded to pretty damn quickly imo. This, of course, is after a major thread that has everyone talking about it, but I don't think that that is a huge problem, really? I mean, sometimes the AC team is gonna screw up and miss something, if it does, the community is gonna cry out about it clearly, but if kryma wasn't already in AC's sights, then the threads put him there. Seems to be working as intended to me. AC does what they can with reports, which I imagine is a ton of work, and when something gets through, you get an immediate reaction from all the players in the div wanting to fix it.
Rhythm
You ask a good question- what people actually want. This is my take though- Idk about you, but like, the thread and all the accusations came out all around the same time, publicly, that is, and it has been less than a week since that happened. It was responded to pretty damn quickly imo. This, of course, is after a major thread that has everyone talking about it, but I don't think that that is a huge problem, really? I mean, sometimes the AC team is gonna screw up and miss something, if it does, the community is gonna cry out about it clearly, but if kryma wasn't already in AC's sights, then the threads put him there. Seems to be working as intended to me. AC does what they can with reports, which I imagine is a ton of work, and when something gets through, you get an immediate reaction from all the players in the div wanting to fix it.
how do you know that this thread is what made action take place and not that it was already being worked on while people got impatient and started to complain publicly about how nothing was being done
[quote=Rhythm]
You ask a good question- what people actually want. This is my take though- Idk about you, but like, the thread and all the accusations came out all around the same time, publicly, that is, and it has been less than a week since that happened. It was responded to pretty damn quickly imo. This, of course, is after a major thread that has everyone talking about it, but I don't think that that is a huge problem, really? I mean, sometimes the AC team is gonna screw up and miss something, if it does, the community is gonna cry out about it clearly, but if kryma wasn't already in AC's sights, then the threads put him there. Seems to be working as intended to me. AC does what they can with reports, which I imagine is a ton of work, and when something gets through, you get an immediate reaction from all the players in the div wanting to fix it.[/quote]
how do you know that this thread is what made action take place and not that it was already being worked on while people got impatient and started to complain publicly about how nothing was being done
mmrarkteJust force people to upload pov demos on request the guy who's about to win advanced has this as his 3rd log ever LOL https://logs.tf/1975500#76561198806014294
people thought claps was cheating back in s3 but nothing ever came of it unfortunately (since nobody made a thread about him) almost positive he's silent aiming in that log since i remember him being banned from tf2center for x amount of time for cheating lol. doesn't help his case that he randomly comes back every now and then to win whatever advanced is called at the time and dips
[quote=mmrarkte]Just force people to upload pov demos on request the guy who's about to win advanced has this as his 3rd log ever LOL https://logs.tf/1975500#76561198806014294[/quote]
people thought claps was cheating back in s3 but nothing ever came of it unfortunately (since nobody made a thread about him) almost positive he's silent aiming in that log since i remember him being banned from tf2center for x amount of time for cheating lol. doesn't help his case that he randomly comes back every now and then to win whatever advanced is called at the time and dips
youngbloodmmrarkteJust force people to upload pov demos on request the guy who's about to win advanced has this as his 3rd log ever LOL https://logs.tf/1975500#76561198806014294
people thought claps was cheating back in s3 but nothing ever came of it unfortunately (since nobody made a thread about him) almost positive he's silent aiming in that log since i remember him being banned from tf2center for x amount of time for cheating lol. doesn't help his case that he randomly comes back every now and then to win whatever advanced is called at the time and dips
he pretty openly cheated on tf2center a few years back, tracking people through walls and aimlocking, one of the few tf2c players who was so obvious i actually bothered to watch some of his demos, those werent even POV and he was clearly walling his nuts off. lets be honest, is it really likely that he improved dramatically at the game in a very short amount of time AND stopped cheating simultaneously?
[quote=youngblood][quote=mmrarkte]Just force people to upload pov demos on request the guy who's about to win advanced has this as his 3rd log ever LOL https://logs.tf/1975500#76561198806014294[/quote]
people thought claps was cheating back in s3 but nothing ever came of it unfortunately (since nobody made a thread about him) almost positive he's silent aiming in that log since i remember him being banned from tf2center for x amount of time for cheating lol. doesn't help his case that he randomly comes back every now and then to win whatever advanced is called at the time and dips[/quote]
he pretty openly cheated on tf2center a few years back, tracking people through walls and aimlocking, one of the few tf2c players who was so obvious i actually bothered to watch some of his demos, those werent even POV and he was clearly walling his nuts off. lets be honest, is it really likely that he improved dramatically at the game in a very short amount of time AND stopped cheating simultaneously?
I understand that the AC team might be overtaxed, but I also don't think these ones were particularly close calls, I finally got around to watching the vids and whoo man you do not need to be a cheat expert to catch some of these guys
I understand that the AC team might be overtaxed, but I also don't think these ones were particularly close calls, I finally got around to watching the vids and whoo man you do not need to be a cheat expert to catch some of these guys
I haven't played this game or been involved with the community at all in like 8 months, but this was brought to my attention. So, I wanted to share some info from elijah situation cuz it's being referenced left and right by people who do not know what happened. I also have no idea who the people in this current cheat scandal are but whatever.
For the whole "why isn't AC team doing it's job??!!?!? thing" "WHY can't they catch obvious cheaters?!?!!? It's been an entire season!!!!!!"
AC team is 1 guy who has to sort through 1000 awful reports a day. Maybe they expanded the team since last summer to help delegate some of the mind numbing work like finding and banning alt accounts as well as ppl playing with banned players in scrims etc. (yes 1 person had to do this as well as what people normally think of when they think of AC). So no, it's not some elaborate rgl ruse as to why this suspect player hasn't been banned. In reality, it's why every suspect player who happens to not be in playoffs isn't banned; they don't have the resources to even begin
investigations really.
As some people may recall from the elijah situation, all the teams in playoffs agreed to do the ggl playoffs like what jw is saying, unless rgl managed to ban/run an investigation on elijah before a certain date. Essentially an ultimatum. During this time, I happened to learn that until the threat of quitting playoffs happened, an investigation hasn't even started on elijah, despite him having several tftv threads dedicated to him blatantly cheating not only in pre season, during the season, and in the time where playoffs were supposed to happen. Keep in mind this is someone who was previously banned for cheating, and this was advanced playoffs (one would think rgl cares more about advanced playoffs than main but who knows)
From what I understand this current situation is accusing 2 people in main of cheating. I would be shocked if an investigation has actually begun by this point, considering their response to elijah, who by every measurable criteria would be pretty much the highest priority cheating situation they would've had at the time given the div and publicity it had.
As for the stuff with Arcadia, the approach he's taking this time is wildly different. Earlier when I mentioned the ggl for the elijah stuff, Arcadia was honestly TOO supportive of it, actively throwing the entire (old) admin team under the bus in order to get good faith, and promising money from the rgl season to go into it (for some reason lmao). I thought this approach was wildly awful for the game, for exactly what's happening now. The admin of the league should never fully support teams making a revolution against the league. Tomato Tom literally called the discord server/gc where all the TL's talked "The RGL uprising" or some shit like that. By supporting this (before an official investigation even started), arcadia was effectively letting teams just ban teams they didn't like if they felt justified in doing so.
I haven't played this game or been involved with the community at all in like 8 months, but this was brought to my attention. So, I wanted to share some info from elijah situation cuz it's being referenced left and right by people who do not know what happened. I also have no idea who the people in this current cheat scandal are but whatever.
For the whole "why isn't AC team doing it's job??!!?!? thing" "WHY can't they catch obvious cheaters?!?!!? It's been an entire season!!!!!!"
AC team is 1 guy who has to sort through 1000 awful reports a day. Maybe they expanded the team since last summer to help delegate some of the mind numbing work like finding and banning alt accounts as well as ppl playing with banned players in scrims etc. (yes 1 person had to do this as well as what people normally think of when they think of AC). So no, it's not some elaborate rgl ruse as to why this suspect player hasn't been banned. In reality, it's why every suspect player who happens to not be in playoffs isn't banned; they don't have the resources to even begin
investigations really.
As some people may recall from the elijah situation, all the teams in playoffs agreed to do the ggl playoffs like what jw is saying, unless rgl managed to ban/run an investigation on elijah before a certain date. Essentially an ultimatum. During this time, I happened to learn that until the threat of quitting playoffs happened, an investigation hasn't even started on elijah, despite him having several tftv threads dedicated to him blatantly cheating not only in pre season, during the season, and in the time where playoffs were supposed to happen. Keep in mind this is someone who was previously banned for cheating, and this was advanced playoffs (one would think rgl cares more about advanced playoffs than main but who knows)
From what I understand this current situation is accusing 2 people in main of cheating. I would be shocked if an investigation has actually begun by this point, considering their response to elijah, who by every measurable criteria would be pretty much the highest priority cheating situation they would've had at the time given the div and publicity it had.
As for the stuff with Arcadia, the approach he's taking this time is wildly different. Earlier when I mentioned the ggl for the elijah stuff, Arcadia was honestly TOO supportive of it, actively throwing the entire (old) admin team under the bus in order to get good faith, and promising money from the rgl season to go into it (for some reason lmao). I thought this approach was wildly awful for the game, for exactly what's happening now. The admin of the league should never fully support teams making a revolution against the league. Tomato Tom literally called the discord server/gc where all the TL's talked "The RGL uprising" or some shit like that. By supporting this (before an official investigation even started), arcadia was effectively letting teams just ban teams they didn't like if they felt justified in doing so.
Wild_RumpusRhythm
You ask a good question- what people actually want. This is my take though- Idk about you, but like, the thread and all the accusations came out all around the same time, publicly, that is, and it has been less than a week since that happened. It was responded to pretty damn quickly imo. This, of course, is after a major thread that has everyone talking about it, but I don't think that that is a huge problem, really? I mean, sometimes the AC team is gonna screw up and miss something, if it does, the community is gonna cry out about it clearly, but if kryma wasn't already in AC's sights, then the threads put him there. Seems to be working as intended to me. AC does what they can with reports, which I imagine is a ton of work, and when something gets through, you get an immediate reaction from all the players in the div wanting to fix it.
how do you know that this thread is what made action take place and not that it was already being worked on while people got impatient and started to complain publicly about how nothing was being done
I don't, but if that was the case, then my point still stands- the system does work.
[quote=Wild_Rumpus][quote=Rhythm]
You ask a good question- what people actually want. This is my take though- Idk about you, but like, the thread and all the accusations came out all around the same time, publicly, that is, and it has been less than a week since that happened. It was responded to pretty damn quickly imo. This, of course, is after a major thread that has everyone talking about it, but I don't think that that is a huge problem, really? I mean, sometimes the AC team is gonna screw up and miss something, if it does, the community is gonna cry out about it clearly, but if kryma wasn't already in AC's sights, then the threads put him there. Seems to be working as intended to me. AC does what they can with reports, which I imagine is a ton of work, and when something gets through, you get an immediate reaction from all the players in the div wanting to fix it.[/quote]
how do you know that this thread is what made action take place and not that it was already being worked on while people got impatient and started to complain publicly about how nothing was being done[/quote]
I don't, but if that was the case, then my point still stands- the system does work.
I don't see how RGL is defensible in this. There is an absurd contrast in speed when it comes to public opinion and bans. When a high-profile cheater gets caught, it is likely that the community will ostracize them over half a year in advance before RGL seems to catch wind of it. Why is that acceptable? I'd understand if if the reports only consisted of a pointed finger, but in these cases the work is already done for the AC team. What is there to look at when someone starts spinbotting?
I don't see how RGL is defensible in this. There is an absurd contrast in speed when it comes to public opinion and bans. When a high-profile cheater gets caught, it is likely that the community will ostracize them over half a year in advance before RGL seems to catch wind of it. Why is that acceptable? I'd understand if if the reports only consisted of a pointed finger, but in these cases the work is already done for the AC team. What is there to look at when someone starts spinbotting?
wonderoflI don't see how RGL is defensible in this. There is an absurd contrast in speed when it comes to public opinion and bans. When a high-profile cheater gets caught, it is likely that the community will ostracize them over half a year in advance before RGL seems to catch wind of it. Why is that acceptable? I'd understand if if the reports only consisted of a pointed finger, but in these cases the work is already done for the AC team. What is there to look at when someone starts spinbotting?
genuinely what does any of this mean? do u think tftv comments are considered as evidence in AC cases? it was literally 4 days for them to review the evidence before issuing a 4 year ban, are u stupid?. sorry the ac team didnt do exactly what u asked within 24 hours bro, will pray for u
[quote=wonderofl]I don't see how RGL is defensible in this. There is an absurd contrast in speed when it comes to public opinion and bans. When a high-profile cheater gets caught, it is likely that the community will ostracize them over half a year in advance before RGL seems to catch wind of it. Why is that acceptable? I'd understand if if the reports only consisted of a pointed finger, but in these cases the work is already done for the AC team. What is there to look at when someone starts spinbotting?[/quote]
genuinely what does any of this mean? do u think tftv comments are considered as evidence in AC cases? it was literally 4 days for them to review the evidence before issuing a 4 year ban, are u stupid?. sorry the ac team didnt do exactly what u asked within 24 hours bro, will pray for u