I have had my Wheel Mouse Optical for quite some time now, I have no problems with it. It's on ebay for around 10-20usd. The only thing I would recommend is that you overclock the polling rate to 500hz or 1000hz.

The Wheel Mouse Optical's scroll wheel is pretty much the opposite of the g500. If you want extra buttons then go for the IO 1.1 or the Intellmouse 3.0, they both have the same sensor as the Wheel Mouse Optical.

I bought mine a few months ago for like $49

I can disagree on the DA 2013 being light, it's a great mouse for a reason.

Razer does make some shitty quality stuff (almost everything) but the ones that they make good, i.e DA 2013, Razer Megalodon, it's completeley worth it.

Also, the Blackwidow is pretty decent yet extremely overpriced, and since the keyboard section is so large, it really doesn't need to have a "gaming" tag next to it to make it a good keyboard, you can buy a 20$ Microsoft keyboard, and it'll be ok, as long as you like the way it feels, and it doesn't break after a 2 weeks, it's a good keyboard.

I use the Razer Lachesis and i really like it :)

wheel mouse optical $3 for 6 years no problems yolo its greasy AF now tho

I found the 1800 DA for 29 dollars new on ebay
http://www.ebay.com/itm/Razer-DeathAdder-1800Dpi-Gaming-Lazer-Mouse-/200854298263?pt=Mice&hash=item2ec3d95e97

What is the difference between this and the newer version, does the increase in dpi really matter?

I quote
"Razer Deathadder (3.5G>3G) Must use 3G at 1800dpi for proper tracking. Requires latest firmware to remove prediction. Has a high lift off distance that can be fixed by putting a piece of scotch tape on the sensor."

whats wrong with g700 i have it and its fine

how come the fk is god tier and the am and evo's arent? dont they all share the same sensor and just have different shapes?

I think you can consider something overrated if people who rate it high haven't tried other quality brands.

Could be grip ergonomics or something.

logitech g100s is really good. good shape/feel + pretty much flawless sensor.

My AM's starting to die after only a few months of use. Starts to drag and skip at random times. Replugging it fixes the problem for a few hours but I'm probably going to grab an FK soon.

The G400 is great but the cord needs to be treated like a princess.

Thanks.

If you used the Deathadder 2013, the Older Deathadder Black, 3.5G, and etc. are comparitively much more heavy I've heard.

I don't see how the sensor's position would give it accel. Stop spreading this misinformation.

After looking at the pictures of the Zowie FK, I am tempted to get one after my G400 dies, or I get tired of trying to Claw Grip a mouse made for palm grip.

Those images are laughable at best

that's a special korean PC Bang version, no side buttons. Very little information on the mouse.

i would recommend the g400 I've been using them for years the best mice i have ever used

As a long time g500 user who recently switched to the g400, please allow me to give some input.

I bought my g500 a year and a half ago. The mouse I had before it was a deathadder. My reason to leaving the deathadder was simply that it was too small for my hands.

I loved my g500 for the longest time. But over time, I grew tired of the weight of the mouse (heavy, even without any of the weights), and the positioning of the sensor as mentioned before.

About the placement of the sensor and its alleged cause of acceleration.

The g500 indeed has really weird placement of the sensor. If you tend to use your wrist for a lot of mouse movement, your left and right movements are greatly exaggerated compared to mice which have the sensor placed in the center of the mouse.

However, this does NOT induce positive acceleration. The flaw of acceleration with the g500 is indeed present, but this is an inherent flaw in the actual sensor itself. Mouse acceleration is a result of electronic/software design, it is not a physical entity that can be blamed by where the sensor is placed on the mouse.

Like I said, the sensor location on the g500 is definitely strange and causes certain mouse movements to be exaggerated, but it is not the direct cause of accel, it is the sensor itself that does this.

All that said, I'm now a g400s user. I've had it for 3 days now, and I'm already certain, without a doubt, that I made the right choice to switch to the g400s.

A little secret. The only honest reason I waited so long to ditch the g500, is because of the amazing extra thumb button. The g500 has a button that sits between mouse4 and mouse5. The position of this button, the force required to press, and the contrast of its surface compared to the mouse4/5 buttons, is amazing, and I mean perfect, 100% the best button for your push-to-talk needs. It really is that amazing.

https://dl.dropboxusercontent.com/u/43946806/Mouse-2.png

On another note, about logitechs customer support.

You may hear people talk of the build quality of the g400/g500. While I can't honestly say they are built to the greatest standard, I can say that logitechs support is incredible.

My first g500 eventually had cord problems. Logitech sent me a replacement for free. I didn't have to send them my broken mouse, I didn't have to provide proof of purchase, I didn't have to send them pictures. I just gave them info, and they sent me a new mouse.

My second g500, the one that replaced the first one, also had eventual problems with the cord. Logitech sent me a third one, same thing, no hassle, they just gave me a new one.

My third g500 just started doing the same thing. I told logitech I'm tired of the g500 and want a g400s. They sent me a g400s.

Just saying, you can't beat that level of customer support.

If your max is $40, you're not gonna find much. If you want to spend <$50 get a g400.

Think of when you flick your wrist without moving your entire arm. Where the sensor is will affect the accel.

Please read my post.

Oh. Thank you for the info.

I have a G9 and I fucking love it. The G9x has acceleration built into the mouse, but the G9 does not have this issue.

It's a weighty, ergonomic mouse and I fucking love it to death.

Heya Crespi. I have to agree with you as well. Am using a G500 atm and god damn that thumb button is perfect. It's conviently placed and I always use that buttton for something.

Although I might need to pick up a FK or G400s soon enough due to Logitech personally contacting me about the G500 no longer being supported and such.

Anyways, very acceptable customer service. <3

That just means they don't have the g500 in stock to give you. Now, they [should] give you a g500s.

What is the difference between the g400 and the g400s? I know the g400s is the newer model, but what are the improvements/differences?

EDIT:
Also, why prefer the g400 over the g500?

to expand on this, I used painters tape to tape part of my Cable to my wall while holding my mouse about 6 or so inches past my desk so I would have plenty of cable length.

g400 and g400s differences

g400 goes upto 3600dpi, g400s goes to 4000dpi

g400s is made of higher quality materials (or at least they claim it is), that's supposed to resist skin oil. The sensor is basically the exact same minus the max DPI.

g400s has replaced the g400 so it's less likely for you to find a g400 from retailers.

g400 vs g500

Sensor placement, g400 is centered like 90% of all optical/laser mice ever. G500 isn't.

g400 is optical, g500 is laser

g500 being a laser mouse has slight mouse acceleration

g400 costs less

g500 does have an extra mouse button though.

usually what dpi do I need?