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How I'd balance Scout
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#1
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>>>Now the Scout things<<<

-The Flying Guillotine: Keep the exact stats, the problem with the guillotine+sandman combo isn't the guillotine, it's The Sandman.

-The Sandman: As you said, instead of the stun people get speed debuff. Also it would be nice to also slow people with point-blank hits (cuz now point-blank ball hits only deal damage).

-The Backscatter: I think The Backscatter can be the best competitor to the scattergun. Make it like this: Mini-crits from the back, 20% less accurate and 6 shots in a clip (and no random crits). 20% less accuracy actually matters at close range face-to-face combat.

-Baby-Face Blaster: Keep the exact same stats but instead of 4 shots in a clip make is 6. Best way to balance it in my opinion. Also make it so a double-jump drains 50% boost instead of 75%.

-Soda Popper: I honestly don't know. The best idea I came up with is to make the Hype shorter, I mean instead of 9-10 seconds of Hype you only have 4 or 5.

-Shortstop and Force-A-Nature are balanced in my opinion

-Crit-A-Cola and Pretty Boy's Pocket Pistol changes mentioned in the blog post are very good in my opinion.

>>>Now the Scout things<<<

-The Flying Guillotine: Keep the exact stats, the problem with the guillotine+sandman combo isn't the guillotine, it's The Sandman.

-The Sandman: As you said, instead of the stun people get speed debuff. Also it would be nice to also slow people with point-blank hits (cuz now point-blank ball hits only deal damage).

-The Backscatter: I think The Backscatter can be the best competitor to the scattergun. Make it like this: Mini-crits from the back, 20% less accurate and 6 shots in a clip (and no random crits). 20% less accuracy actually matters at close range face-to-face combat.

-Baby-Face Blaster: Keep the exact same stats but instead of 4 shots in a clip make is 6. Best way to balance it in my opinion. Also make it so a double-jump drains 50% boost instead of 75%.

-Soda Popper: I honestly don't know. The best idea I came up with is to make the Hype shorter, I mean instead of 9-10 seconds of Hype you only have 4 or 5.

-Shortstop and Force-A-Nature are balanced in my opinion

-Crit-A-Cola and Pretty Boy's Pocket Pistol changes mentioned in the blog post are very good in my opinion.
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#2
88 Frags +

remove the class

remove the class
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#3
72 Frags +
Fuxxremove the class

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[quote=Fuxx]remove the class[/quote]

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#4
62 Frags +

Break Scout's legs

Break Scout's legs
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#5
0 Frags +

Cool

Cool
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#6
-3 Frags +

make the scattergun shoot very slowly

make the scattergun shoot very slowly
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#7
4 Frags +

chop off one of the scout's leg

chop off one of the scout's leg
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#8
52 Frags +

replace his primary with a dab taunt

replace his primary with a dab taunt
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#9
27 Frags +

did u know spy is fucking scout's mom?

did u know spy is fucking scout's mom?
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#10
6 Frags +

every time you reinstall tf2, you get a new hat

every time you reinstall tf2, you get a new hat
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#11
4 Frags +
knsumeBreak Scout's legs

and rename class to handicapman

[quote=knsume]Break Scout's legs[/quote]

and rename class to handicapman
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#12
17 Frags +

i think it would be fair just to fuck up scouts ability to cancel his strafing while hes in the air
i swear if s strafing wasnt a thing scouts would be getting OWNED by soldiers

i think it would be fair just to fuck up scouts ability to cancel his strafing while hes in the air
i swear if s strafing wasnt a thing scouts would be getting OWNED by soldiers
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#13
-3 Frags +

There are a couple of things I've thought about before that I think might make Scout vs Soldier a little bit less aids in general, but I'm not sure if they're super feasible or just retarded or whaetever.

First would be a little bit out of the realm of possibility tbh, and already something ppl want done, but to re-do how explosions are calculated to make small lips and stairs and shit not be nearly impossible to do splash damage on. It would be an indirect buff to explosive classes that would make certain areas on maps more viable to fight on.

Second would be to make it so scouts couldn't double jump if they get knocked in the air by a rocket or sticky or something. Right now, if you manage to get a good splash shot on a scout that bumps them up into the air a bit, they have the ability to jump again which can make them super hard to hit because they can use that jump to gain speed to strafe more or close the distance a bit towards you to get a meatshot in or something like that. If you remove the ability to double jump, it can make them a little bit more easier to hit with a followup direct or actually open them up to the possibility of cratering or something.

I don't even care if that second one would happen, but if they could make splash damage on bumpy surfaces and shit more consistent that'd be really cool.

There are a couple of things I've thought about before that I think might make Scout vs Soldier a little bit less aids in general, but I'm not sure if they're super feasible or just retarded or whaetever.

First would be a little bit out of the realm of possibility tbh, and already something ppl want done, but to re-do how explosions are calculated to make small lips and stairs and shit not be nearly impossible to do splash damage on. It would be an indirect buff to explosive classes that would make certain areas on maps more viable to fight on.

Second would be to make it so scouts couldn't double jump if they get knocked in the air by a rocket or sticky or something. Right now, if you manage to get a good splash shot on a scout that bumps them up into the air a bit, they have the ability to jump again which can make them super hard to hit because they can use that jump to gain speed to strafe more or close the distance a bit towards you to get a meatshot in or something like that. If you remove the ability to double jump, it can make them a little bit more easier to hit with a followup direct or actually open them up to the possibility of cratering or something.

I don't even care if that second one would happen, but if they could make splash damage on bumpy surfaces and shit more consistent that'd be really cool.
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#14
12 Frags +

Stuff has added up over time. The med speed matching buff, the sticky nerf, and the popularization of gunboats have all helped to increase the power of scout in 6s. Scout is insane in 5cp and in low-medium player counts, so the effects of all this stuff getting added together is really noticeable. I wouldn't say there is really anything wrong to begin with- but the solution to whatever problem people are having isn't in unlocks lol.

Stuff has added up over time. The med speed matching buff, the sticky nerf, and the popularization of gunboats have all helped to increase the power of scout in 6s. Scout is insane in 5cp and in low-medium player counts, so the effects of all this stuff getting added together is really noticeable. I wouldn't say there is really anything wrong to begin with- but the solution to whatever problem people are having isn't in unlocks lol.
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#15
-5 Frags +

fr though, just make scouts max buff 155 hp, maybe make each health point decay twice as slowly as recompense

fr though, just make scouts max buff 155 hp, maybe make each health point decay twice as slowly as recompense
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#16
79 Frags +

If you removed scout from the game all the scout mains would move to overwatch and the average IQ of both games would increase. Win-win.

If you removed scout from the game all the scout mains would move to overwatch and the average IQ of both games would increase. Win-win.
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#17
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ZestyIf you removed scout from the game all the scout mains would move to overwatch and the average IQ of both games would increase. Win-win.

I laughed, but as a scout main I'm contracrually obliged to -frag you

Edit: I guess I proved your point by misspelling contractually

[quote=Zesty]If you removed scout from the game all the scout mains would move to overwatch and the average IQ of both games would increase. Win-win.[/quote]

I laughed, but as a scout main I'm contracrually obliged to -frag you

Edit: I guess I proved your point by misspelling contractually
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#18
-25 Frags +
MILKy_i think it would be fair just to fuck up scouts ability to cancel his strafing while hes in the air
i swear if s strafing wasnt a thing scouts would be getting OWNED by soldiers

"It's fair when scout gets fucking OWNED by soldiers".
Ye, typical scout hater. A soldier main who can't shoot at feet. Use shotgun if ur so bad. Funny thing is most of these soldiers mains then go scout and get outplayed by other scout mains, and that's it for the "ez game" class. I swear it's like pubbers complaing sniper is op lmao.

[quote=MILKy_]i think it would be fair just to fuck up scouts ability to cancel his strafing while hes in the air
i swear if s strafing wasnt a thing scouts would be getting OWNED by soldiers[/quote]
"It's fair when scout gets fucking OWNED by soldiers".
Ye, typical scout hater. A soldier main who can't shoot at feet. Use shotgun if ur so bad. Funny thing is most of these soldiers mains then go scout and get outplayed by other scout mains, and that's it for the "ez game" class. I swear it's like pubbers complaing sniper is op lmao.
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#19
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Doom1"It's fair when scout gets fucking OWNED by soldiers".
Ye, typical scout hater. A soldier main who can't shoot at feet. Use shotgun if ur so bad. Funny thing is most of these soldiers mains then go scout and get outplayed by other scout mains, and that's it for the "ez game" class. I swear it's like pubbers complaing sniper is op lmao.

die

[quote=Doom1]
"It's fair when scout gets fucking OWNED by soldiers".
Ye, typical scout hater. A soldier main who can't shoot at feet. Use shotgun if ur so bad. Funny thing is most of these soldiers mains then go scout and get outplayed by other scout mains, and that's it for the "ez game" class. I swear it's like pubbers complaing sniper is op lmao.[/quote]

die
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#20
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Doom1MILKy_i think it would be fair just to fuck up scouts ability to cancel his strafing while hes in the air
i swear if s strafing wasnt a thing scouts would be getting OWNED by soldiers
"It's fair when scout gets fucking OWNED by soldiers".
Ye, typical scout hater. A soldier main who can't shoot at feet. Use shotgun if ur so bad. Funny thing is most of these soldiers mains then go scout and get outplayed by other scout mains, and that's it for the "ez game" class. I swear it's like pubbers complaing sniper is op lmao.

sniper is op tho

[quote=Doom1][quote=MILKy_]i think it would be fair just to fuck up scouts ability to cancel his strafing while hes in the air
i swear if s strafing wasnt a thing scouts would be getting OWNED by soldiers[/quote]
"It's fair when scout gets fucking OWNED by soldiers".
Ye, typical scout hater. A soldier main who can't shoot at feet. Use shotgun if ur so bad. Funny thing is most of these soldiers mains then go scout and get outplayed by other scout mains, and that's it for the "ez game" class. I swear it's like pubbers complaing sniper is op lmao.[/quote]
sniper is op tho
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#21
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AntaresDoom1"It's fair when scout gets fucking OWNED by soldiers".
Ye, typical scout hater. A soldier main who can't shoot at feet. Use shotgun if ur so bad. Funny thing is most of these soldiers mains then go scout and get outplayed by other scout mains, and that's it for the "ez game" class. I swear it's like pubbers complaing sniper is op lmao.

die

Kill me then. Oh wait, you can't, you play soldier.

[quote=Antares][quote=Doom1]
"It's fair when scout gets fucking OWNED by soldiers".
Ye, typical scout hater. A soldier main who can't shoot at feet. Use shotgun if ur so bad. Funny thing is most of these soldiers mains then go scout and get outplayed by other scout mains, and that's it for the "ez game" class. I swear it's like pubbers complaing sniper is op lmao.[/quote]

die[/quote]
Kill me then. Oh wait, you can't, you play soldier.
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#22
-5 Frags +

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#23
-6 Frags +

I think these changes are interesting, but the Shortstop's damage output is nothing compared to the stock scattergun, so to counter this maybe the shortstop could see something like a 15% tighter cone of fire or something, this will reward good aim and have better medium range damage if you aim your shots well (and medium range seems to be what the shortstop is good for but idk)

Scout in general is pretty pretty balanced class IMO. Powerful in open areas, but struggles in enclosed spaces. On an open map like Product, scouts dominate, as well as most areas of 5cp maps. but if you're a soldier and you catch a scout on his own in House on Badlands, you have a pretty good shot of winning that fight.

I think these changes are interesting, but the Shortstop's damage output is nothing compared to the stock scattergun, so to counter this maybe the shortstop could see something like a 15% tighter cone of fire or something, this will reward good aim and have better medium range damage if you aim your shots well (and medium range seems to be what the shortstop is good for but idk)

Scout in general is pretty pretty balanced class IMO. Powerful in open areas, but struggles in enclosed spaces. On an open map like Product, scouts dominate, as well as most areas of 5cp maps. but if you're a soldier and you catch a scout on his own in House on Badlands, you have a pretty good shot of winning that fight.
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#24
-5 Frags +
GoaskAliceDoom1AntaresDoom1"It's fair when scout gets fucking OWNED by soldiers".
Ye, typical scout hater. A soldier main who can't shoot at feet. Use shotgun if ur so bad. Funny thing is most of these soldiers mains then go scout and get outplayed by other scout mains, and that's it for the "ez game" class. I swear it's like pubbers complaing sniper is op lmao.

die
Kill me then. Oh wait, you can't, you play soldier.

i play soldier and i would DESTROY you because your scout will WM1 straiight into my 160dmg rockets

Tell that to urself kid I would juke all your rockets and make you kill yourself with them. You would then join the masses that create threads on tftv saying scout is massively op.

[quote=GoaskAlice][quote=Doom1][quote=Antares][quote=Doom1]
"It's fair when scout gets fucking OWNED by soldiers".
Ye, typical scout hater. A soldier main who can't shoot at feet. Use shotgun if ur so bad. Funny thing is most of these soldiers mains then go scout and get outplayed by other scout mains, and that's it for the "ez game" class. I swear it's like pubbers complaing sniper is op lmao.[/quote]

die[/quote]
Kill me then. Oh wait, you can't, you play soldier.[/quote]

i play soldier and i would DESTROY you because your scout will WM1 straiight into my 160dmg rockets[/quote]
Tell that to urself kid I would juke all your rockets and make you kill yourself with them. You would then join the masses that create threads on tftv saying scout is massively op.
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#25
3 Frags +
Doom1GoaskAliceDoom1AntaresDoom1"It's fair when scout gets fucking OWNED by soldiers".
Ye, typical scout hater. A soldier main who can't shoot at feet. Use shotgun if ur so bad. Funny thing is most of these soldiers mains then go scout and get outplayed by other scout mains, and that's it for the "ez game" class. I swear it's like pubbers complaing sniper is op lmao.

die
Kill me then. Oh wait, you can't, you play soldier.

i play soldier and i would DESTROY you because your scout will WM1 straiight into my 160dmg rockets
Tell that to urself kid I would juke all your rockets and make you kill yourself with them. You would then join the masses that create threads on tftv saying scout is massively op.

yea well i would touch ur hand without consent and get high on WEED

[quote=Doom1][quote=GoaskAlice][quote=Doom1][quote=Antares][quote=Doom1]
"It's fair when scout gets fucking OWNED by soldiers".
Ye, typical scout hater. A soldier main who can't shoot at feet. Use shotgun if ur so bad. Funny thing is most of these soldiers mains then go scout and get outplayed by other scout mains, and that's it for the "ez game" class. I swear it's like pubbers complaing sniper is op lmao.[/quote]

die[/quote]
Kill me then. Oh wait, you can't, you play soldier.[/quote]

i play soldier and i would DESTROY you because your scout will WM1 straiight into my 160dmg rockets[/quote]
Tell that to urself kid I would juke all your rockets and make you kill yourself with them. You would then join the masses that create threads on tftv saying scout is massively op.[/quote]

yea well i would touch ur hand without consent and get high on WEED
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#26
-2 Frags +

give scout 5 health and remove double jump :)

give scout 5 health and remove double jump :)
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#27
4 Frags +

Doom1 who's alt are u

Doom1 who's alt are u
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#28
23 Frags +

leave scout alone and buff explosive classes by decreasing hp lost on jumping

leave scout alone and buff explosive classes by decreasing hp lost on jumping
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#29
-1 Frags +

I think the ideas he had to balanced out the other scout weapons to be more viable are acually ok tbh
however none of that helps out balanced scout itself

I think the ideas he had to balanced out the other scout weapons to be more viable are acually ok tbh
however none of that helps out balanced scout itself
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#30
-6 Frags +
mousiopeleave scout alone and buff explosive classes by decreasing hp lost on jumping

https://wiki.teamfortress.com/wiki/Gunboats

[quote=mousiope]leave scout alone and buff explosive classes by decreasing hp lost on jumping[/quote]
https://wiki.teamfortress.com/wiki/Gunboats
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