leakyso you would never actually kill anything? whats the fun in that
practice isn't fun stop having fun
hey fog can you unban sniper
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[quote=leaky]so you would never actually kill anything? whats the fun in that[/quote]
practice isn't fun stop having fun
practice isn't fun stop having fun
if scouts are allowed to pistol you fullscreen and run into choke as soon as they get hit snipers should also be allowed imo imho in my opinion.
if scouts are allowed to pistol you fullscreen and run into choke as soon as they get hit snipers should also be allowed imo imho in my opinion.
i think sniper should be allowed in dm but i also think gunboat soldiers should be allowed so they can slap on their boots and bomb snipers all day
i think sniper should be allowed in dm but i also think gunboat soldiers should be allowed so they can slap on their boots and bomb snipers all day
milehighmilitiai think sniper should be allowed in dm but i also think gunboat soldiers should be allowed so they can slap on their boots and bomb snipers all day
YES THIS more practice :D
[quote=milehighmilitia]i think sniper should be allowed in dm but i also think gunboat soldiers should be allowed so they can slap on their boots and bomb snipers all day[/quote]
YES THIS more practice :D
YES THIS more practice :D
zigzter"You don't learn anything from playing against a sniper in DM."
I also don't learn anything from the following:
Scouts running away after getting shot.
Soldiers bombing in and shooting the ground in my vicinity when I'm fighting someone else.
Demos m1m2ing me.
That's a behaviour, not an entire class.
[quote=zigzter]"You don't learn anything from playing against a sniper in DM."
I also don't learn anything from the following:
Scouts running away after getting shot.
Soldiers bombing in and shooting the ground in my vicinity when I'm fighting someone else.
Demos m1m2ing me.[/quote]
That's a behaviour, not an entire class.
I also don't learn anything from the following:
Scouts running away after getting shot.
Soldiers bombing in and shooting the ground in my vicinity when I'm fighting someone else.
Demos m1m2ing me.[/quote]
That's a behaviour, not an entire class.
leakyso you would never actually kill anything? whats the fun in that
Uh… no:
Use the sm_feignsniperkills_distance ConVar to configure the minimum distance between the Sniper and the victim for the plugin to kick in (i.e. for sniper kills to be feigned).
The plugin implements exactly what brownymaster suggested here:
brownymasterIs it possible to force a feign death to players? I think it'd be cool if you couldn't actually kill anyone with the sniper rifle who's beyond say 750 hammer units and instead get ubered or something so people fighting halfway across the map don't have to deal with it. Basically the plugin lets people get the headshot kill satisfaction, but other players don't have to deal with dying randomly. And close range headshots within the 512 range will actually kill the person since at that point it's much like any other DM situation. It'd be interesting at the very least.
So if you kill someone within N (configurable by server) hammer units you actually kill them. If the enemy is farther away than that, you get the feedback, to know if you actually hit the shot, the killfeed shows your kill (to everyone in the server), but the player in the other side of the map isn't interrupted in the middle of his 1v1. My understanding is that people want to play Sniper in Fog's DM servers to practice against good players. In that case, knowing if you hit the headshot or not should be enough, and when you're confronting the enemy directly, in close distances, you'll be able to kill him.
[quote=leaky]so you would never actually kill anything? whats the fun in that[/quote]
Uh… no:
[quote]Use the sm_feignsniperkills_distance ConVar to configure the minimum distance between the Sniper and the victim for the plugin to kick in (i.e. for sniper kills to be feigned).[/quote]
The plugin implements exactly what brownymaster suggested here:
[quote=brownymaster]Is it possible to force a feign death to players? I think it'd be cool if you couldn't actually kill anyone with the sniper rifle who's beyond say 750 hammer units and instead get ubered or something so people fighting halfway across the map don't have to deal with it. Basically the plugin lets people get the headshot kill satisfaction, but other players don't have to deal with dying randomly. And close range headshots within the 512 range will actually kill the person since at that point it's much like any other DM situation. It'd be interesting at the very least.[/quote]
So if you kill someone within N (configurable by server) hammer units you actually kill them. If the enemy is farther away than that, you get the feedback, to know if you actually hit the shot, the killfeed shows your kill (to everyone in the server), but the player in the other side of the map isn't interrupted in the middle of his 1v1. My understanding is that people want to play Sniper in Fog's DM servers to practice against good players. In that case, knowing if you hit the headshot or not should be enough, and when you're confronting the enemy directly, in close distances, you'll be able to kill him.
Uh… no:
[quote]Use the sm_feignsniperkills_distance ConVar to configure the minimum distance between the Sniper and the victim for the plugin to kick in (i.e. for sniper kills to be feigned).[/quote]
The plugin implements exactly what brownymaster suggested here:
[quote=brownymaster]Is it possible to force a feign death to players? I think it'd be cool if you couldn't actually kill anyone with the sniper rifle who's beyond say 750 hammer units and instead get ubered or something so people fighting halfway across the map don't have to deal with it. Basically the plugin lets people get the headshot kill satisfaction, but other players don't have to deal with dying randomly. And close range headshots within the 512 range will actually kill the person since at that point it's much like any other DM situation. It'd be interesting at the very least.[/quote]
So if you kill someone within N (configurable by server) hammer units you actually kill them. If the enemy is farther away than that, you get the feedback, to know if you actually hit the shot, the killfeed shows your kill (to everyone in the server), but the player in the other side of the map isn't interrupted in the middle of his 1v1. My understanding is that people want to play Sniper in Fog's DM servers to practice against good players. In that case, knowing if you hit the headshot or not should be enough, and when you're confronting the enemy directly, in close distances, you'll be able to kill him.
Seta00 but the player in the other side of the map isn't interrupted in the middle of his 1v1.
yeah so he doesnt die :)
[quote=Seta00] but the player in the other side of the map isn't interrupted in the middle of his 1v1. [/quote]
yeah so he doesnt die :)
yeah so he doesnt die :)
Seta00leakyyeah so he doesnt die :)
Right.
but if no one actually dies then whoever is sniping isnt getting pressured, no need to since hes not bothering anyone right? but then you get no sniping under pressure situations, which is why people like to snipe in DM.
[quote=Seta00][quote=leaky]yeah so he doesnt die :)[/quote]
Right.[/quote]
but if no one actually dies then whoever is sniping isnt getting pressured, no need to since hes not bothering anyone right? but then you get no sniping under pressure situations, which is why people like to snipe in DM.
Right.[/quote]
but if no one actually dies then whoever is sniping isnt getting pressured, no need to since hes not bothering anyone right? but then you get no sniping under pressure situations, which is why people like to snipe in DM.
I don't think anyone actually snipes so they can learn how to deal with high pressure situations.
I don't think anyone actually snipes so they can learn how to deal with high pressure situations.
there's multiple reasons someone might do it, i just don't think it should be banned completely, that's all.
there's multiple reasons someone might do it, i just don't think it should be banned completely, that's all.
The problem is that the dm server is used for fights. Anything else won't get you better at 6s. Fighting a sniper is pathetic, because you'll either win immediately or he will get very lucky or he will run/surf away and there will be someone spawning near and baiting the hell out of him.
I assume people dm to get better at 6s?
If you die by a sniper in game you should probably be reviewing demos rather than trying to dm against snipers. It's useless in dm, and useless 99-100% of the time in game.
The only argument I see is that "it's fun".
The problem is that the dm server is used for fights. Anything else won't get you better at 6s. Fighting a sniper is pathetic, because you'll either win immediately or he will get very lucky or he will run/surf away and there will be someone spawning near and baiting the hell out of him.
I assume people dm to get better at 6s?
If you die by a sniper in game you should probably be reviewing demos rather than trying to dm against snipers. It's useless in dm, and useless 99-100% of the time in game.
The only argument I see is that "it's fun".
I assume people dm to get better at 6s?
If you die by a sniper in game you should probably be reviewing demos rather than trying to dm against snipers. It's useless in dm, and useless 99-100% of the time in game.
The only argument I see is that "it's fun".
people DM to get better at sniper just like people DM as any other class.
people DM to get better at sniper just like people DM as any other class.
kirbyI don't think anyone actually snipes so they can learn how to deal with high pressure situations.
That's like half my reason for sniping in DM. Sniping in high pressure and sniping in low pressure are completely different. I got left behind when my team backed out is snake mid and I still headshot the enemy medic even with 3 of their players on top of me. It wasn't because I got lucky, its because I've spent hours doing exactly the same thing on DM servers.
[quote=kirby]I don't think anyone actually snipes so they can learn how to deal with high pressure situations.[/quote]
That's like half my reason for sniping in DM. Sniping in high pressure and sniping in low pressure are completely different. I got left behind when my team backed out is snake mid and I still headshot the enemy medic even with 3 of their players on top of me. It wasn't because I got lucky, its because I've spent hours doing exactly the same thing on DM servers.
That's like half my reason for sniping in DM. Sniping in high pressure and sniping in low pressure are completely different. I got left behind when my team backed out is snake mid and I still headshot the enemy medic even with 3 of their players on top of me. It wasn't because I got lucky, its because I've spent hours doing exactly the same thing on DM servers.
leakypeople DM to get better at sniper just like people DM as any other class.
I'd leave precedence towards 6s classes myself, but that's just me. I mean there is only 8 slots.
Might as well allow all the classes IMO. (don't actually do that)
[quote=leaky]people DM to get better at sniper just like people DM as any other class.[/quote]
I'd leave precedence towards 6s classes myself, but that's just me. I mean there is only 8 slots.
Might as well allow all the classes IMO. (don't actually do that)
I'd leave precedence towards 6s classes myself, but that's just me. I mean there is only 8 slots.
Might as well allow all the classes IMO. (don't actually do that)
mgibcan we also stop banning the DH from servers too
Remoisten the nood
[quote=mgib]can we also stop banning the DH from servers too[/quote]
Remoisten the nood
Remoisten the nood
People are really overcomplicating this. Go to dm servers to shoot your guns at dudes. Everyone has their own sense of "fun" or "amount of learning" or "usefulness" or whatever other sort of bullshit honor that is close to your heart. The emphasis here seems to be about how butthurt people feel when they get killed by some "gay" class. Well people want to practice that class and you respawn right away, so who cares? There's no rule that says you have to have a fair chance against everyone that attacks you - that wouldn't make any sense in reality anyway. Look at the worst case scenario: If every class were allowed and there were a bunch of heavies and pyros and spies running around (I'm not condoning that), I'd still play dm and shoot them up. It wouldn't be as good for me in terms of 6s practice but I'm still shooting my guns at dudes.
People are really overcomplicating this. Go to dm servers to shoot your guns at dudes. Everyone has their own sense of "fun" or "amount of learning" or "usefulness" or whatever other sort of bullshit honor that is close to your heart. The emphasis here seems to be about how butthurt people feel when they get killed by some "gay" class. Well people want to practice that class and you respawn right away, so who cares? There's no rule that says you have to have a fair chance against everyone that attacks you - that wouldn't make any sense in reality anyway. Look at the worst case scenario: If every class were allowed and there were a bunch of heavies and pyros and spies running around (I'm not condoning that), I'd still play dm and shoot them up. It wouldn't be as good for me in terms of 6s practice but I'm still shooting my guns at dudes.
pros to sniper in dm:
people like mgib and bloodsire who get an erection over making headshots and don't actually care about 6s can jerk themselves off while practicing sniper in a situation that it is not used for 99% of the time during an actual 6s match
cons to sniper in dm:
interrupts/distracts people who are actually practicing DM situations that are relevant to most 6s matches
pros to sniper in dm:
people like mgib and bloodsire who get an erection over making headshots and don't actually care about 6s can jerk themselves off while practicing sniper in a situation that it is not used for 99% of the time during an actual 6s match
cons to sniper in dm:
interrupts/distracts people who are actually practicing DM situations that are relevant to most 6s matches
people like mgib and bloodsire who get an erection over making headshots and don't actually care about 6s can jerk themselves off while practicing sniper in a situation that it is not used for 99% of the time during an actual 6s match
cons to sniper in dm:
interrupts/distracts people who are actually practicing DM situations that are relevant to most 6s matches
ukmpros to sniper in dm:
people like mgib and bloodsire who get an erection over making headshots and don't actually care about 6s can jerk themselves off while practicing sniper in a situation that it is not used for 99% of the time during an actual 6s match
cons to sniper in dm:
interrupts/distracts people who are actually practicing DM situations that are relevant to most 6s matches
Quoted for truth.
Since there is now a second set of servers, maybe have the bans more relaxed on them so people will have a place to go without bothering those who don't want to be bothered?
[quote=ukm]pros to sniper in dm:
people like mgib and bloodsire who get an erection over making headshots and don't actually care about 6s can jerk themselves off while practicing sniper in a situation that it is not used for 99% of the time during an actual 6s match
cons to sniper in dm:
interrupts/distracts people who are actually practicing DM situations that are relevant to most 6s matches[/quote]
Quoted for truth.
Since there is now a second set of servers, maybe have the bans more relaxed on them so people will have a place to go without bothering those who don't want to be bothered?
people like mgib and bloodsire who get an erection over making headshots and don't actually care about 6s can jerk themselves off while practicing sniper in a situation that it is not used for 99% of the time during an actual 6s match
cons to sniper in dm:
interrupts/distracts people who are actually practicing DM situations that are relevant to most 6s matches[/quote]
Quoted for truth.
Since there is now a second set of servers, maybe have the bans more relaxed on them so people will have a place to go without bothering those who don't want to be bothered?
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