SpriteuberchainI'm having a really hard time typing my side out because I do want to clarify and expand a lot of my original post from last year since some of it called out wasn't just Dashner, and point out which parts he was responsible for.
If more people are involved why aren't you name dropping them, if there are more rapists and pedos in the community why are you NOT exposing them???
Because the only sexual predator I expanded on details of in my original Twitter post was Dashner. Most of the people other than Dashner who were referenced in that specific post have already been driven out of the scene or called out. Any additional predators and abusers are people I don't know about and wish I knew about, but they're people who are still being hidden or hiding, and what's probably stopping them is victims who are scared to the bone of their abusers or people calling them out for being liars or being harassed even more. The people they do disclose the information to are begged and pleaded to stay silent, by the victims.
It's absolutely fucked up, I agree, but this is the mindset that goes through the heads of the abused. We still feel like they have control over us even when we're finally out and away from them.
EDIT: This is basically what happened with people like Jasbutts, who is a friend I trusted with this information, and for people who approached me and knew it was Dashner, in which I basically asked them to not tell anybody because I didn't know what Dashner would do if he found out. Anybody who worked with Dashner or were offered opportunities were people I told I wouldn't harbour ill feelings for, and who I didn't want announcing it publicly, out of fear of my safety.
[quote=Sprite][quote=uberchain]I'm having a really hard time typing my side out because I do want to clarify and expand a lot of my original post from last year since some of it called out wasn't just Dashner, and point out which parts he was responsible for.
[/quote] If more people are involved why aren't you name dropping them, if there are more rapists and pedos in the community why are you NOT exposing them???[/quote]
Because the only sexual predator I expanded on details of in my original Twitter post was Dashner. Most of the people other than Dashner who were referenced in that specific post have already been driven out of the scene or called out. Any additional predators and abusers are people I don't know about and wish I knew about, but they're people who are still being hidden or hiding, and what's probably stopping them is victims who are scared to the bone of their abusers or people calling them out for being liars or being harassed even more. The people they do disclose the information to are begged and pleaded to stay silent, by the victims.
It's absolutely fucked up, I agree, but this is the mindset that goes through the heads of the abused. We still feel like they have control over us even when we're finally out and away from them.
EDIT: This is basically what happened with people like Jasbutts, who is a friend I trusted with this information, and for people who approached me and knew it was Dashner, in which I basically asked them to not tell anybody because I didn't know what Dashner would do if he found out. Anybody who worked with Dashner or were offered opportunities were people I told I wouldn't harbour ill feelings for, and who I didn't want announcing it publicly, out of fear of my safety.
if we need production people for future NA LANs i'm willing to give it a try as long as i can get mentored ig, new to the whole shit but i'm willing to step up if needed
if we need production people for future NA LANs i'm willing to give it a try as long as i can get mentored ig, new to the whole shit but i'm willing to step up if needed
Why do so many pedophiles play this game
Why do so many pedophiles play this game
jcnWhy do so many pedophiles play this game
some old players stay and groom newer younger players
[quote=jcn]Why do so many pedophiles play this game[/quote]
some old players stay and groom newer younger players
Console-Seems some people have not read my OP edit: I tried going down the legal route and it's basically a dead end. The last thing I want is to just go after him and damage him, but rather to make him see the error in his ways as I cannot rely on the legal system to do that for me.my OPEdit: I have reached out to the police (my cousin is a state trooper who has worked the past 20 years solely on domestic abuse cases) and unfortunately because it is a he said/he said and it is across country borders there's not much that can be done
So how do we stop him from doing this again? That needs to happen
[quote=Console-]Seems some people have not read my OP edit: I tried going down the legal route and it's basically a dead end. The last thing I want is to just go after him and damage him, but rather to make him see the error in his ways as I cannot rely on the legal system to do that for me.
[quote=my OP]Edit: I have reached out to the police (my cousin is a state trooper who has worked the past 20 years solely on domestic abuse cases) and unfortunately because it is a he said/he said and it is across country borders there's not much that can be done[/quote][/quote]
So how do we stop him from doing this again? That needs to happen
GetawhaleConsole-Seems some people have not read my OP edit: I tried going down the legal route and it's basically a dead end. The last thing I want is to just go after him and damage him, but rather to make him see the error in his ways as I cannot rely on the legal system to do that for me.my OPEdit: I have reached out to the police (my cousin is a state trooper who has worked the past 20 years solely on domestic abuse cases) and unfortunately because it is a he said/he said and it is across country borders there's not much that can be done
So how do we stop him from doing this again? That needs to happen
Just prevent him from finding anymore work. It's a lot harder to manipulate people when you're homeless.
[quote=Getawhale][quote=Console-]Seems some people have not read my OP edit: I tried going down the legal route and it's basically a dead end. The last thing I want is to just go after him and damage him, but rather to make him see the error in his ways as I cannot rely on the legal system to do that for me.
[quote=my OP]Edit: I have reached out to the police (my cousin is a state trooper who has worked the past 20 years solely on domestic abuse cases) and unfortunately because it is a he said/he said and it is across country borders there's not much that can be done[/quote][/quote]
So how do we stop him from doing this again? That needs to happen[/quote]
Just prevent him from finding anymore work. It's a lot harder to manipulate people when you're homeless.
jcnWhy do so many pedophiles play this game
cartoon kids game
[quote=jcn]Why do so many pedophiles play this game[/quote]
cartoon kids game
GetawhaleConsole-Seems some people have not read my OP edit: I tried going down the legal route and it's basically a dead end. The last thing I want is to just go after him and damage him, but rather to make him see the error in his ways as I cannot rely on the legal system to do that for me.my OPEdit: I have reached out to the police (my cousin is a state trooper who has worked the past 20 years solely on domestic abuse cases) and unfortunately because it is a he said/he said and it is across country borders there's not much that can be done
So how do we stop him from doing this again? That needs to happen
Have some evidence against him. I'm not trying to accuse uberchain or console- of lying, but dashner is quite good at his job it'll probably take more than two random people writing stories about him to get him "cancelled".
[quote=Getawhale][quote=Console-]Seems some people have not read my OP edit: I tried going down the legal route and it's basically a dead end. The last thing I want is to just go after him and damage him, but rather to make him see the error in his ways as I cannot rely on the legal system to do that for me.
[quote=my OP]Edit: I have reached out to the police (my cousin is a state trooper who has worked the past 20 years solely on domestic abuse cases) and unfortunately because it is a he said/he said and it is across country borders there's not much that can be done[/quote][/quote]
So how do we stop him from doing this again? That needs to happen[/quote]
Have some evidence against him. I'm not trying to accuse uberchain or console- of lying, but dashner is quite good at his job it'll probably take more than two random people writing stories about him to get him "cancelled".
Cannot fully express my hatred for all this situation. This is a situation where name-dropping all abusers is morally necessary. I comprehend the appeal to solve such issues privately, but these sort of people do not deserve protection. Abusers will keep on trying if given the opportunity, that's just how it is. The point isn't lynching (although deserved), it's to alarm others and to hold these people accountable. By letting them continue to pretend to have a clean record you keep their reputation afloat, which in these cases seems to be precisely the tool they use to get access to victims.
I do not wish to provoke witch-hunting hysteria, but this is starting to get out of hand. I had my hopes that TF2 Competitive would turn into a small but warm, niche little community as it aged, but the more situations like these crop up the more I wish for it all to go up in flames. Better to have a dead game than a hive of predators. It's time to take this seriously.
Cannot fully express my hatred for all this situation. This is a situation where name-dropping all abusers is morally necessary. I comprehend the appeal to solve such issues privately, but these sort of people do not deserve protection. Abusers will keep on trying if given the opportunity, that's just how it is. The point isn't lynching (although deserved), it's to alarm others and to hold these people accountable. By letting them continue to pretend to have a clean record you keep their reputation afloat, which in these cases seems to be precisely the tool they use to get access to victims.
I do not wish to provoke witch-hunting hysteria, but this is starting to get out of hand. I had my hopes that TF2 Competitive would turn into a small but warm, niche little community as it aged, but the more situations like these crop up the more I wish for it all to go up in flames. Better to have a dead game than a hive of predators. It's time to take this seriously.
FuxxBetter to have a dead game than a hive of predators. It's time to take this seriously.
Could not agree more. Stuff like this makes me ashamed to be assosciated with this community.
[quote=Fuxx]Better to have a dead game than a hive of predators. It's time to take this seriously.[/quote]
Could not agree more. Stuff like this makes me ashamed to be assosciated with this community.
GetawhaleConsole-Seems some people have not read my OP edit: I tried going down the legal route and it's basically a dead end. The last thing I want is to just go after him and damage him, but rather to make him see the error in his ways as I cannot rely on the legal system to do that for me.my OPEdit: I have reached out to the police (my cousin is a state trooper who has worked the past 20 years solely on domestic abuse cases) and unfortunately because it is a he said/he said and it is across country borders there's not much that can be done
So how do we stop him from doing this again? That needs to happen
We push him out of the industry. A predator like him thrives in a position of power and his miserable ass won't have a position of power elsewhere. Obviously I would love to see jail time but that seems unreasonable given the bureaucracy involved. For now we be there for his victims and make potential future victims aware.
[quote=Getawhale][quote=Console-]Seems some people have not read my OP edit: I tried going down the legal route and it's basically a dead end. The last thing I want is to just go after him and damage him, but rather to make him see the error in his ways as I cannot rely on the legal system to do that for me.
[quote=my OP]Edit: I have reached out to the police (my cousin is a state trooper who has worked the past 20 years solely on domestic abuse cases) and unfortunately because it is a he said/he said and it is across country borders there's not much that can be done[/quote][/quote]
So how do we stop him from doing this again? That needs to happen[/quote]
We push him out of the industry. A predator like him thrives in a position of power and his miserable ass won't have a position of power elsewhere. Obviously I would love to see jail time but that seems unreasonable given the bureaucracy involved. For now we be there for his victims and make potential future victims aware.
Nub_DanishHave some evidence against him. I'm not trying to accuse uberchain or console- of lying, but dashner is quite good at his job it'll probably take more than two random people writing stories about him to get him "cancelled".
why are you in every fucking thread defending pedos
[quote=Nub_Danish]
Have some evidence against him. I'm not trying to accuse uberchain or console- of lying, but dashner is quite good at his job it'll probably take more than two random people writing stories about him to get him "cancelled".[/quote]
why are you in every fucking thread defending pedos
FuxxBetter to have a dead game than a hive of predators. It's time to take this seriously.
This. I don’t have anything much to add other than my shock that recent events haven’t been enough to stop this kind of thing continuing right under everyone’s nose, in full awareness of those in positions of power. This needs to stop, primarily for those that have been affected but also to prevent this community from being damaged more than it already has. Unbelievable
[quote=Fuxx]Better to have a dead game than a hive of predators. It's time to take this seriously.[/quote]
This. I don’t have anything much to add other than my shock that recent events haven’t been enough to stop this kind of thing continuing right under everyone’s nose, in full awareness of those in positions of power. This needs to stop, primarily for those that have been affected but also to prevent this community from being damaged more than it already has. Unbelievable
stop fucking people from internet u losers, all of you are broken
stop fucking people from internet u losers, all of you are broken
figsyNub_DanishHave some evidence against him. I'm not trying to accuse uberchain or console- of lying, but dashner is quite good at his job it'll probably take more than two random people writing stories about him to get him "cancelled".
why are you in every fucking thread defending pedos
I think he's just being realistic, given the context of presenting this legally, we don't know how much evidence they actually have outside of their word.
Considering that Console already went down the legal road, though, I'm sure they have some if not ample evidence.
[quote=figsy][quote=Nub_Danish]
Have some evidence against him. I'm not trying to accuse uberchain or console- of lying, but dashner is quite good at his job it'll probably take more than two random people writing stories about him to get him "cancelled".[/quote]
why are you in every fucking thread defending pedos[/quote]
I think he's just being realistic, given the context of presenting this legally, we don't know how much evidence they actually have outside of their word.
Considering that Console already went down the legal road, though, I'm sure they have some if not ample evidence.
MelonssfigsyNub_DanishHave some evidence against him. I'm not trying to accuse uberchain or console- of lying, but dashner is quite good at his job it'll probably take more than two random people writing stories about him to get him "cancelled".
why are you in every fucking thread defending pedos
I think he's just being realistic, given the context of presenting this legally, we don't know how much evidence they actually have outside of their word.
Considering that Console already went down the legal road, though, I'm sure they have some if not ample evidence.
Without going into too much detail, the process he had to follow was demeaning and simply not worth the chance of justice. The state trooper he was speaking to described his chances of a successful case were about 6% regardless of validity of the evidence. Unless there's like actual video of the assault there's just not much a court can do. He has been through enough.
Oh, and hearing the process he was facing in order to press charges made me physically sick.
[quote=Melonss][quote=figsy][quote=Nub_Danish]
Have some evidence against him. I'm not trying to accuse uberchain or console- of lying, but dashner is quite good at his job it'll probably take more than two random people writing stories about him to get him "cancelled".[/quote]
why are you in every fucking thread defending pedos[/quote]
I think he's just being realistic, given the context of presenting this legally, we don't know how much evidence they actually have outside of their word.
Considering that Console already went down the legal road, though, I'm sure they have some if not ample evidence.[/quote]
Without going into too much detail, the process he had to follow was demeaning and simply not worth the chance of justice. The state trooper he was speaking to described his chances of a successful case were about 6% regardless of validity of the evidence. Unless there's like actual video of the assault there's just not much a court can do. He has been through enough.
Oh, and hearing the process he was facing in order to press charges made me physically sick.
EntropyTFUnless there's like actual video of the assault there's just not much a court can do.
This is most likely what nub_danish was referring to. Thank you for clearing that up.
[quote=EntropyTF]Unless there's like actual video of the assault there's just not much a court can do.[/quote]
This is most likely what nub_danish was referring to. Thank you for clearing that up.
huh? then how do rapists get caught? its very unlikley there would be video proof for this sort of thing, and console's experience is like some textbook rape shit
huh? then how do rapists get caught? its very unlikley there would be video proof for this sort of thing, and console's experience is like some textbook rape shit
funhaver1998huh? then how do rapists get caught? its very unlikley there would be video proof for this sort of thing, and console's experience is like some textbook rape shit
Video, positive rape kits, signs of violence against the victim, psychological evaluation, witnesses, etc. Most rape cases do not end in jail time. Often all you get is a restraining order. This is especially true when dealing with cases across country lines.
[quote=funhaver1998]huh? then how do rapists get caught? its very unlikley there would be video proof for this sort of thing, and console's experience is like some textbook rape shit[/quote]
Video, positive rape kits, signs of violence against the victim, psychological evaluation, witnesses, etc. Most rape cases do not end in jail time. Often all you get is a restraining order. This is especially true when dealing with cases across country lines.
getting hit on after highlander by a drunk dashner all those years ago makes sooooo much sense now
getting hit on after highlander by a drunk dashner all those years ago makes [i]sooooo[/i] much sense now
drshdwpuppetYeeHawdrshdwpuppetWe (the community) did a bad job of protecting its members, many of whom are or were in the exact same situation you were when this was done to you.
not really fair to blame the 'community' for this one maybe a few people close to dashner (sami), but how would 99% of people have any idea what was going on
I'm not just talking about this specific incident either.
How many people need to be outed as either pedophiles or sexually aggressive or taking advantage of power differences in the community before people realize that its a community problem. It is not our fault, that will 100% lie with the perpetrators of whatever crime or shitty thing that happens, but to pretend that we do not have a community wide problem with this sort of thing is to be completely ignorant.
No individual is responsible for "protecting the community". We are all responsible for keeping the community the kind of welcoming and safe place that it has enjoyed a reputation of being for years. We all benefit from things like this NOT happening and idk about you but I feel some sort of responsibility for my fellow TF2 player.
I don't really think this is a problem exclusive to tf2. People like this exist in every industry and community, welcome to reality :/ Unfortunately tf2 is small enough that they can have a catastrophic effect.
[quote=drshdwpuppet][quote=YeeHaw][quote=drshdwpuppet]We (the community) did a bad job of protecting its members, many of whom are or were in the exact same situation you were when this was done to you.
[/quote]
not really fair to blame the 'community' for this one maybe a few people close to dashner (sami), but how would 99% of people have any idea what was going on[/quote]
I'm not just talking about this specific incident either.
How many people need to be outed as either pedophiles or sexually aggressive or taking advantage of power differences in the community before people realize that its a community problem. It is not our [i]fault[/i], that will 100% lie with the perpetrators of whatever crime or shitty thing that happens, but to pretend that we do not have a community wide problem with this sort of thing is to be completely ignorant.
No individual is responsible for "protecting the community". We are all responsible for keeping the community the kind of welcoming and safe place that it has enjoyed a reputation of being for years. We all benefit from things like this NOT happening and idk about you but I feel some sort of responsibility for my fellow TF2 player.[/quote]
I don't really think this is a problem exclusive to tf2. People like this exist in every industry and community, welcome to reality :/ Unfortunately tf2 is small enough that they can have a catastrophic effect.
figsyNub_DanishHave some evidence against him. I'm not trying to accuse uberchain or console- of lying, but dashner is quite good at his job it'll probably take more than two random people writing stories about him to get him "cancelled".
why are you in every fucking thread defending pedos
I don't know how you interpret this as a defense of anyone or anything, I was literally just giving a pragmatic answer on how you'd prevent this.
And I have not a single time defended pedophiles, my main point of contention with every thread so far is calling these people pedophiles. They're sexual predators and in a lot of way just as bad, but no of them fall under the definition of pedophilia as none have engaged or tried to engage in sexual acts with prepubescent children.
It's damaging to the young children who are the victims of pedophilia to describe these people as pedophiles and irresponsible.
Just some definitions from various places for you: https://imgur.com/a/vOuibzs
[quote=figsy][quote=Nub_Danish]
Have some evidence against him. I'm not trying to accuse uberchain or console- of lying, but dashner is quite good at his job it'll probably take more than two random people writing stories about him to get him "cancelled".[/quote]
why are you in every fucking thread defending pedos[/quote]
I don't know how you interpret this as a defense of anyone or anything, I was literally just giving a pragmatic answer on how you'd prevent this.
And I have not a single time defended pedophiles, my main point of contention with every thread so far is calling these people pedophiles. They're sexual predators and in a lot of way just as bad, but no of them fall under the definition of pedophilia as none have engaged or tried to engage in sexual acts with prepubescent children.
It's damaging to the young children who are the victims of pedophilia to describe these people as pedophiles and irresponsible.
Just some definitions from various places for you: https://imgur.com/a/vOuibzs
I've been detached from what's been happening in the TF2 community since I've focused on Overwatch esports and college over the past few years. But as someone that's known dashner for a long time, I've never known about any of this stuff until now, and i'm utterly shocked and disappointed in the way he has treated people. dashner should not be allowed in the TF2 community anymore, and to a further extent the entire esports scene.
I've been detached from what's been happening in the TF2 community since I've focused on Overwatch esports and college over the past few years. But as someone that's known dashner for a long time, I've never known about any of this stuff until now, and i'm utterly shocked and disappointed in the way he has treated people. dashner should not be allowed in the TF2 community anymore, and to a further extent the entire esports scene.
Console, as someone who was one of my first friends when I started playing organized TF2, it breaks my heart to see something so utterly disgusting happen to someone like you.
Like Snivy, I haven't been in the loop with what's happening in TF2 for a while now, but never did I think someone like dashner would turn out this way. To say that I'm shocked and disgusted are just the beginning of a long list of thoughts and emotions related to this subject.
Snivydashner should not be allowed in the TF2 community anymore, and to a further extent the entire esports scene.
Very well said. Nobody should ever have to go through something like this.
Console, as someone who was one of my first friends when I started playing organized TF2, it breaks my heart to see something so utterly disgusting happen to someone like you.
Like Snivy, I haven't been in the loop with what's happening in TF2 for a while now, but never did I think someone like dashner would turn out this way. To say that I'm shocked and disgusted are just the beginning of a long list of thoughts and emotions related to this subject.
[quote=Snivy]dashner should not be allowed in the TF2 community anymore, and to a further extent the entire esports scene.[/quote]
Very well said. Nobody should ever have to go through something like this.
bruh all this shit coming out all of a sudden this is fucking nuts, being away from tf2 for so long and recently deciding to jump back into the forums and this shit is fucking insane what the fuck honestly I am just surprised so much shit just went under rugs for so fucking long but its better late than never to have everything reeled with it's ugly fucking face and be put on a platter for all to see
bruh all this shit coming out all of a sudden this is fucking nuts, being away from tf2 for so long and recently deciding to jump back into the forums and this shit is fucking insane what the fuck honestly I am just surprised so much shit just went under rugs for so fucking long but its better late than never to have everything reeled with it's ugly fucking face and be put on a platter for all to see
How are people that desperate to coom that they would do something like this? Jesus fucking christ just have a wank you degenerates. What the fuck is wrong with these people?
How are people that desperate to coom that they would do something like this? Jesus fucking christ just have a wank you degenerates. What the fuck is wrong with these people?
I worked with console a couple times before I met him at insomnia 65 and I have to say he's one of the nicest and most talented people to touch the scene. I'm sorry this happened to you and I'm glad you're going the way you're headed, we all support you.
I worked with console a couple times before I met him at insomnia 65 and I have to say he's one of the nicest and most talented people to touch the scene. I'm sorry this happened to you and I'm glad you're going the way you're headed, we all support you.
I have no words. I know for a fact Console, you're one of the most talented person I know regarding production in TF2. You'll get there. We know you can do it, Console. What Dashner did... is unforgivable. Someone who I have been looking up to as a somewhat old-man-wiseman of competitive TF2 in a way, did such atrocities. Unbelievable. I hope you never comeback to TF2 again, Dashner. I think we got things rolling and settled here even without you.
I have no words. I know for a fact Console, you're one of the most talented person I know regarding production in TF2. You'll get there. We know you can do it, Console. What Dashner did... is unforgivable. Someone who I have been looking up to as a somewhat old-man-wiseman of competitive TF2 in a way, did such atrocities. Unbelievable. I hope you never comeback to TF2 again, Dashner. I think we got things rolling and settled here even without you.
https://gyazo.com/77fbfa56678abd1acda72b2a946adeba
Dashner's actions are completely reprehensible, and I'm extremely saddened for Console and Uberchain that they had to go through what they did. Even though Dashner has helped with production for GXL, he didn't give off any impressions that he was abusive in this way at that time. I think I remember he had some trouble with drinking, but certainly not this.
If anything like this happens (or has happened) at RGB, please do not hesitate to let me know, as uncomfortable as that may be. LANs are meant to be a fun and safe space for everyone to meet, play, and have a wonderful time. These kinds of disgusting acts deserve no excuses.
I still stand by the statement that this is the best community, period. This isn't indicative of what this community represents, and we deserve better.
Dashner's actions are completely reprehensible, and I'm extremely saddened for Console and Uberchain that they had to go through what they did. Even though Dashner has helped with production for GXL, he didn't give off any impressions that he was abusive in this way at that time. I think I remember he had some trouble with drinking, but certainly not this.
If anything like this happens (or has happened) at RGB, please do not hesitate to let me know, as uncomfortable as that may be. LANs are meant to be a fun and safe space for everyone to meet, play, and have a wonderful time. These kinds of disgusting acts deserve no excuses.
I still stand by the statement that this is the best community, period. This isn't indicative of what this community represents, and we deserve better.