It's true, I'm the engineer on this team and we're all saddened. I hope some people see this and recognize that we really didn't do anything "wrong" AFTER using the alts and agreeing to a rematch. :^) ~Stheno

I remember when my ugc team told the admins on the other team after they used a map exploit and dropped our medic. We even got a hold of the map maker and confirmed that it was definitely an exploit.

But then the admins did nothing. And nobody else really cared.

You might actually have better luck posting to reddit.

So, tell me if I get this right.

You had mercs denied and use trick to make them play anyway. That shit got uncovered and admins made you replay match. Since replay match was set up for later date, mercs were no longer mercs because in meantime you added them into your roster. When admin told that you cannot use them (like you shouldnt use them in first match) friend got pissy and called him names. So he penalized you for unsportsmanlike behavior.

You deserved this fully.

"In the meantime, Darthinvader ran his mouth and called the UGC admin a slur in the server chat. Snowblindfrog immediately called it admin abuse" Well there's your problem

"We didn't do anything wrong except break the rules"

r u retarded

"wahhh a teammate of mine called him a nigger [probably] and now it's admin abuse adn we all got susbended wahh help us wahh"

you fucking walked into it yourself you idiots now that's a : ^ } shot

edit: okay i actually read through it you used alts and you're complaining about them banning you alright i got nothin to say to that

and "most hated" you think too highly of yourself

UGC admins have been known to do some pretty questionable things but in this case I think they're pretty justified. Your team used two players who weren't on your roster in a match and lied to the other team to pass them off as alts. After agreeing to replay the match you then tried to use the SAME two players. It's totally fair that they were suspended, although I don't agree with not giving you guys notice (but it could easily be a miscommunication). Considering all of this, it could easily look like your whole team is blatantly disrespecting UGC and their rules, so their deciding to punish you guys, especially after you mouth off, makes sense. It's only a week ban, after all.

your real issue is wanting biga to join your HL team

One person saying one thing doesn't not make suspending the entire team and giving them two losses on there schedule magically ok. If the entire team was saying stuff like that that's understandable but just one dude doesn't mean that you should be able to do that.

"using alts is totally justified" -ugc tf2 player

if ur team mate is retarded u should cut him or gag him on official servers

and not break the rules

"I knew they where ringers but I chose to play anyway just to see how things went" - There team's leader

4.4.a. Players who are found to be using an alias account to roster on more than 1 team in the same format, using an alias to play in a lower division, and/or using an alias account to hide their competitive history will have their main accounts suspended and their alias accounts permanently banned from the league.­

5.2.1.­Roster Checking -­­The time prior to "readying up" and starting the match should be used by team leaders to check roster eligibility of their opponent's players. All issues concerning roster eligibility for players on the server must be addressed prior to the match starting.­ Once the match starts, the players on the server are considered accepted.­

So... They new they where ringers, They knew there competitive experience, Chose to play anyway, So they accepted them, They lost. They complained because they played as ringers and weren't on the roster. We put them on the roster so there where no problems. One of are players said one bad thing. What's the disconnect?

Leader of S3 here to clear things up.

First off, feel free to add me and talk if you're a third party that wants our side of the story. My steam name is some variation of PlzPuddngPlz.

Posting in match comms in advance was not possible because we did not know about the roster changes until the players joined the server uninvited.
For those unfamiliar, under UGC rules accounts rostered less than 24h before a match count as ringers (mercs) and can be denied. The timestamps show the players being added three minutes and a day prior to the match time.

Mango here. For some reason I feel compelled to post. Eat your heart out, trolls.

So we did goof up with the alts. I regret that decision. But I was unaware that I couldn't add them on the roster.

Fine, UGC won't allow us to play with the alts/new members in the rematch. I would have been fine with that. But we never got the chance. Like Toast said, an individual does not represent the entire team. The reason I felt compelled to share this story with the interwebs is I felt that we got no due process. The admins acted swift (and in my opinion) without just cause.

We broke a rule. We got caught. I accepted the rematch. Fine. When I attempted to reach out to snowblindfrog, I got shut down. Hard. That's what I'm upset with. You may say I got my just desserts, but I disagree.

They where on the roster longer than 24 hours and therefore where not considered ringers therefore couldn't be denied. Therefore your entire post is invalid. It's all there black and white clear as crystal. You done goofed.

Still greater than 24 hours! And I would have added them earlier but I went and got drunk with my friends.

OP - As I have already emailed you

Recap of events:
1. During your original match you requested the use of 2 ringers which S3 denied. You then brought in 2 additional ringers under alias accounts to play the match. Seeing no competitive history on those players S3 had no reason to deny. This was an extremely deceptive thing to do...which you showed zero remorse for having done when I confronted you.
2. In light of your poor conduct as a leader I reset the match and required you to replay
3. In the meantime between the first match and the rematch you rostered the 2 players involved in the initial deception that lead to the match being nullified.
4. I advised you (through Kumori - one of our senior admins) that these 2 players were suspended from the rematch for their involvement in the initial match.
5. After stating this information, Kumori (who was in the server at the time) was killed in game and then the following was typed to her from members of your team:
biga- : lmao killed u nigger (immediately after killing her)
Invad3r : hey kumori
Invad3r : u gonna ban me from ugc if I tell u off? lmfao
Invad3r : idiot autist

Because of this incredibly offensive response your team is suspended from the league, thus forfeiting this rematch and your match next week. The 2 players Inad3r and Biga have been removed from your team and are also banned from the league for 2 months.

I am amazed that you have the audacity to go around on our forums, here and Reddit crying admin abuse and admitting no wrong doing.

"In hindsight, I regret this decision of playing with alts."
"We broke a rule. We got caught. I accepted the rematch. Fine. "

Wow. Can't even read now? That's a new low for you, and I thought no one could stoop that low.

Instead of being a wimp and commenting here, why don't you stop hiding behind the block and talk to me directly? I wouldn't have to "have the audacity to go around on our forums and cry admin abuse" if I could talk to you in person.

Even if it were actual admin abuse and not you guys being idiots, why would anyone on tf.tv need to know about this? Wouldn't it be more appropriate to post on the ugc forums...

Your WHOLE team wasted UGC admins' time and were disrespectful by pulling your bullshit with the ringers. Your WHOLE team tried to play the rematch with the two players who started this whole shitfest. The slur in game chat is just icing on the cake dude. After all that you have to admit that you basically forfeited your right to discuss the situation. If I were an admin and you pulled all this crap I would definitely feel justified in ignoring you. What's there to discuss? You admit you guys broke the rules and were disrespectful, take your punishment and stop whining.

How did my WHOLE TEAM waste their time? It was actions of only 4 people. Last time I checked HL takes 9.

If only you mentioned one word of that to mango. Maybe if you had told him that he wouldn't have rostered them. Just a thought.

highlander

Did the other 5 people on the team do jack shit to stop the other 4? Unless half your team called the other half out for being fucking assholes, they didn't help the situation which ultimately wasted the admin's time.

So uh. As our engineer my ake on this is: we agreed to a rematch, had no one tell us we cant have a new demo and heavy on our team. Wanted to play with them, but instead get shut down because of your lack of communication skills, by informing us that the two players cant play 3 minutes after scheduled match time.

Temper tantrums are overrated.

Your whole team played an entire fucking match with people who weren't on the roster. Even with your lack of awareness I'm pretty sure you could tell that the two people in mumble weren't your regular players. Your entire team is responsible for the ringers, they all participated in making UGC admins have to deal with this shit. This is a fucking steel highlander match, why do you guys care that you got suspended for a week.

I was not aware you had rostered them until 5 minutes before the match.

A.) Its 2 weeks, and 2 months for our demoman
B.) Yes, im going here. They started it. Theyre the ones who were well aware and didnt bother saying no.